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Rose Siding

(32,623 posts)
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 11:19 AM Apr 2016

Giordano stuns with this insightful wrap up today

This wisdom came in a series of tweets I love too much to wait for a storified version...

1. I was thinking this morning that the divide on the electoral left between Sanders & Clinton is determined by some key factors. Here goes:

2. While there are exceptions, overall people who have organized and won battles - John Lewis, Dolores Huerta, etc. - went with Clinton.

3. Whereas the high profile lefties with Sanders are overwhelmingly defined by a history of failed activist ventures. "Beautiful losers."

4. The latter group generally feels that their activism fails not because of anything they're doing wrong, but "the system is rigged."

5. That's always been the cop-out excuse. "I don't need to improve, or train, or change my approach because it's all rigged anyway."

6. Sanders' message of economic determinism - that all of life is about money - appeals to the loser part of the left, confirms its biases.

7. And it lets them off the hook, allows activists to take zero responsibility for going about activism in such an ineffective way.

8. This divide on the electoral left sharpens the racial divide, because organizers of color don't have the luxury of always losing.

9. Americans of color, in general, aren't duped or deluded into thinking "we are the majority already." That's plainly obvious.

10. The idea that there is some super woke majority out there waiting to lay siege to the palace is an overwhelmingly white delusion.

11. This imaginary unicorn majority, in their heads, gives them permission to think "we're not doing anything wrong, it's the system."

12. When people think that way, years of frustration and anger build into an impotent rage, and they berate instead of persuade.

13. Since berating is a behavior especially satisfying for men, the Sanders crusade grants them permission to be jerks, & call it politics.

14. It is thus the perfect cocktail for the emergence of the "Bernie Bro," who, again, is not a millennial but the aging white male activist

15. And the whole episode is only going to further reinforce their embittered worldview as the Sanders campaign now sinks into ignominy.

16. They will look back upon it and grumble to each other, "See? We were right! The system is rigged. It's not us, but THEM!"

17. That's why whenever they lose a primary they scream so loudly to invent "fraud" and "voter suppression." Things external to them.

18. They can't ever look in the mirror and say, "My god, we lost because of ME! We didn't train ourselves. We have no social skills!"

19. My central mission in the coming months will be to rescue the idealistic millennials from the "beautiful loser" left, because they're ok

20. What a shame the Sanders campaign didn't repeat the Obama model of training its troops. But to have done so would have been anathema.

21. Because training & organizing are about "agency." They teach "we win or lose based on what WE do." That's the lesson of Sanders' failure

https://twitter.com/AlGiordano


Agency, control of ones self, organizing. There's the power.
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Giordano stuns with this insightful wrap up today (Original Post) Rose Siding Apr 2016 OP
Wow. Lucinda Apr 2016 #1
"When you meet an asshole in the morning, you have an interesting story for the rest of the day." IamMab Apr 2016 #2
So true - Is it okay if I steal that line? SharonClark Apr 2016 #19
Absolutely, it's not mine or anything. Just a quote I heard somewhere. Enjoy! nt IamMab Apr 2016 #24
Al is a delight to follow on twitter SaschaHM Apr 2016 #3
This is so excellent! pandr32 Apr 2016 #4
Cynics "the system is rigged" HATE progress. It invalidates their world view. KittyWampus Apr 2016 #5
So true! Basic LA Apr 2016 #26
K&R! DemonGoddess Apr 2016 #6
Most excellent. fleabiscuit Apr 2016 #7
Boom goes Girodano's hammer on that nail head. Surya Gayatri Apr 2016 #8
That's a WORK OF ART!! NurseJackie Apr 2016 #9
"It seems to me that for all the effort and money the Sanders campaign put into filing an Cha Apr 2016 #31
It's an attitude problem ... they don't think in those terms. NurseJackie Apr 2016 #33
Yes! And, like when they wanted President Obama to be King and do It Cha Apr 2016 #37
That's it! "EMOPROGS" ... Perfect! NurseJackie Apr 2016 #38
Backatcha! Cha Apr 2016 #39
And if Bernie could have ever become the president ... NurseJackie Apr 2016 #40
Thank the Universe we're saving them and the Planet from that uncalculable Cha Apr 2016 #41
Obama spoke on this today. Rose Siding Apr 2016 #43
Beautiful losers creon Apr 2016 #10
You made a brain cell kick in... fleabiscuit Apr 2016 #11
Yes yes yes: We have to "learn how to govern" Rose Siding Apr 2016 #15
Fits Bernie Sanders to a T. Fla Dem Apr 2016 #12
WOW!!!! I wish I could rec this a 1000 times. all american girl Apr 2016 #13
Click on his twitter link up there Rose Siding Apr 2016 #16
I love it all, NastyRiffraff Apr 2016 #14
That hits the dudebros on the head... all american girl Apr 2016 #18
When things go wrong, the wise person examines his own conduct. Koinos May 2016 #46
Go to his twitter page if you want a laugh all american girl Apr 2016 #17
Excellent! SharonClark Apr 2016 #20
So where do people get this kind of training! Her Sister Apr 2016 #21
That's a good nuts and bolts question Rose Siding Apr 2016 #22
As Norman Goldman likes to say This could be a teachable Moment! Her Sister Apr 2016 #23
Unions! Rose Siding Apr 2016 #27
Step one: walk inside your Democratic Party HQ and volunteer. displacedtexan Apr 2016 #28
Rose, GREAT post. Thanks very much. kstewart33 Apr 2016 #25
thanks Rose. Insightful Giordano is On It! And, BS is the head cause of all this. Cha Apr 2016 #29
K&R HillareeeHillaraah Apr 2016 #30
I like this nugget KewlKat Apr 2016 #32
Ah Perfect!!! Her Sister Apr 2016 #35
K&R Starry Messenger Apr 2016 #34
Great Tweets, great post and excellent thread! Walk away Apr 2016 #36
I think he has a book to write from this outline Rose Siding Apr 2016 #42
K&R ismnotwasm May 2016 #44
Excellent summary. Thank you for posting. Koinos May 2016 #45
This is brilliant! Haveadream May 2016 #47
LOL at #3. It's funny cuz it's true. Tarheel_Dem May 2016 #48
 

IamMab

(1,359 posts)
2. "When you meet an asshole in the morning, you have an interesting story for the rest of the day."
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 11:25 AM
Apr 2016

"When you meet assholes all day long, YOU'RE the asshole."

I thought of this when ready the lines about the "beautiful losers" and their whole mentality. They are their own worst enemy, I believe.

SaschaHM

(2,897 posts)
3. Al is a delight to follow on twitter
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 11:25 AM
Apr 2016

I usually keep tabs open with his and Joy Ann Reid's twitter pages up for political insight.

 

KittyWampus

(55,894 posts)
5. Cynics "the system is rigged" HATE progress. It invalidates their world view.
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 11:35 AM
Apr 2016

They are ideologues and cynics.

Ineffective, yet blaming others for their failures.

There are definitely many on DU who WANT Clinton to lose in November, because then they can say "I was right".

And even when they are proven wrong, yet again, when she gets inaugurated, they'll start ripping her apart on Day One of her first Administration. Every appointment will be criticized. Every speech. Every OUTFIT she wears, ffs.

fleabiscuit

(4,542 posts)
7. Most excellent.
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 11:41 AM
Apr 2016

I'm going to steal that and use the appropriate # for standard answers to BS angles who like to come in and relieve themselves on this group.

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
9. That's a WORK OF ART!!
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 12:10 PM
Apr 2016

The lack of accepting responsibility and blaming others for their own failures is definitely a recurring theme that can't be overemphasized.

There was a post earlier today that imagined the dialog at Bernie's campaign that NEVER happened. The gist of the post was the Bernie's campaign and his supporters FAILED to plan ahead for simple (and OBVIOUS) things like New York's closed primary system and long registration requirements.

Number 17 in that list kinda hits on that issue, but doesn't address it directly. It does do a good job at accurately describing how they've responded to the fact that they FAILED to plan ahead ... choosing to blame others, the "system", and offering conspiracy theories.

It seems to me that for all the effort and money the Sanders campaign put into filing an "emergency" legal proceeding to force the NY primaries to be open, they could have instead focused those human and financial resources on publicizing the registration requirements, educating voters, and assisting them.

Oh well ... now they know.


Cha

(296,848 posts)
31. "It seems to me that for all the effort and money the Sanders campaign put into filing an
Sat Apr 23, 2016, 07:38 AM
Apr 2016
"emergency" legal proceeding to force the NY primaries to be open, they could have instead focused those human and financial resources on publicizing the registration requirements, educating voters, and assisting them."



Putain Démocratique ??@goddamnedfrank
If you can’t even research your State’s primary rules and register on time maybe you shouldn’t call other people “low information voters.”
6:58 PM - 18 Apr 2016
20 20 Retweets 15 15 likes

https://theobamadiary.com/2016/04/19/early-bird-chat-723/#comments

Glad they didn't, though~

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
33. It's an attitude problem ... they don't think in those terms.
Sat Apr 23, 2016, 07:57 AM
Apr 2016

It's a mindset that wants "instant gratification" without planning and without effort and without forethought. (You know, kinda like what happens when you click on an internet poll ... you get the see the results right away, and if you're not happy with the results, you just keep clicking until you do. EASY!)

But when it comes to big stuff, I often think they'd rather angrily 'fight for change' instead of cooperatively 'work for change' ... and instead of thinking-ahead and planning ahead. (Basically, the philosophy seems to be "We'll shout at that bridge when we get to it.&quot

The "all or nothing" approach will almost always result in NOTHING! Yet, they take a great deal of personal pride and self satisfaction in actually having NOTHING and in making NO PROGRESS!

Weird, huh?

Change can still happen, but one method is much more likely to be successful, and with a lot less stress ... and is more likely to produce meaningful long-term results.

It's a mindset and a culture of being the perpetually angry "victim" that is almost always doomed to failure or that offers only minimal (and short-term) rewards.

Cha

(296,848 posts)
37. Yes! And, like when they wanted President Obama to be King and do It
Sat Apr 23, 2016, 08:12 AM
Apr 2016

Right ******* Now!

This a perfect description, imv.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Emo%20Progressive

Thank you, Jackie~

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
40. And if Bernie could have ever become the president ...
Sat Apr 23, 2016, 08:54 AM
Apr 2016

... which he couldn't, but if he could ... they'd be in for quite a shocking awakening to reality. Their disappointment would far exceed anything they've ever experienced before. With their perception of betrayal and with all their grand hopes dashed, they'd turn on him in the blink of an eye.

Even Bernie is not safe from being thrown under the #BernieBus!

Rose Siding

(32,623 posts)
43. Obama spoke on this today.
Sat Apr 23, 2016, 02:27 PM
Apr 2016
“Too often what I see is wonderful activism that highlights a problem, but then people feel so passionately and are invested in the purity of their position that they never take that next step and say, ‘well now I have to sit down and try to actually get something done ?’” he said.

http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/president-obama-calls-out-black-lives-matter-activists-yelling


It's really at the core of how everything functions isn't it? I think he is fired up to campaign for Hillary.

creon

(1,183 posts)
10. Beautiful losers
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 12:21 PM
Apr 2016

The beautiful losers, in this circumstance, are in a permanent political minority.
It is not easy being in such a place.
Even worse, being in a permanent minority and - most of what you are saying is true and accurate.

very frustrating.

It is sad.
Sanders had points to make.
And, he did not make them.
That is on him.

That faction will have to back up and regroup.
Organization; training/education; persistence; making allies and friends; listen to others and empathize; being able to make a point; etc.

fleabiscuit

(4,542 posts)
11. You made a brain cell kick in...
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 12:23 PM
Apr 2016

"Agency, control of ones self, organizing. There's the power."

Sometimes I jot down notes;

Noam Chomsky: You are responsible for the predictable consequences of your actions. You are not responsible the predictable consequences of someone elses actions. The most important thing is to think about the consequences of your actions. What can you affect. (about 1:30:00)


they who have put out the people’s eyes, reproach them of their blindness
~Milton

POLITICS of the DISPOSABLE

Privatize the PROFIT
Socialize the RISK
INDIVIDUALIZE the SOCIAL


“...Few suppress critical thinking more systematically than those who falsely claim that they teach critical thinking (or as the awful cliché puts it, "thinking outside the box&quot . In reality, they operate within a closed system of "problem-solving," constituted as the pedagogy of the Rubik's Cube. What is called creativity is most often merely puzzle-solving (finding the best predetermined answer), whereas authentic innovation would include probing boundaries, interrogating assumptions, redefining concepts rather than using a desiccated sort of "critical thinking" as a shriveled substitute for a genuine critical consciousness. True creativity would consider taking the box off the shelf and disposing of its toxic contents….”
Howard A. Doughty
http://www.collegequarterly.ca/2012-vol15-num01-winter/doughty2.html

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‘When Margaret Thatcher married Ronald Reagan two things happened; one was the assumption that government was evil, except when it regulated power to benefit the rich. It wasn’t a matter of smashing government, it was a matter of rearranging it, and reconfiguring it, so it benefited the wealthy, the elites, those who run large corporations. But Thatcher said something entirely different, ‘that there is no such thing as society, only families and individuals.’
Paraphrasing Henry A. Giroux discussing his book “Zombie Politics and Culture in the Age of Casino Capitalism”

Agency: action or intervention, esp. such as to produce a particular effect.: "canals carved by the agency of running water."

Four Freedoms articulated by United States President Franklin D. Roosevelt on January 6, 1941. In the 1941 State of the Union address, he proposed freedoms that people "everywhere in the world" ought to enjoy:
Freedom of speech
Freedom of worship
Freedom from want
Freedom from fear

You have to imagine what a good life is, but AGENCY, the ability to do that, to have the capacity to make decisions, to learn how to govern, and NOT JUST be GOVERNED, TO BE a CITIZEN, an AGENT.

‘A CITIZEN is a political and moral AGENT who has a SHARED sense of HOPE and RESPONSIBILITY to OTHERS, and not to just himself or herself.’

Paraphrasing Henry A. Giroux discussing his book “Zombie Politics and Culture in the Age of Casino Capitalism”

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Rose Siding

(32,623 posts)
15. Yes yes yes: We have to "learn how to govern"
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 01:00 PM
Apr 2016

That's so different than filling stadiums and waving signs. Though those can be components of the process, organizing teaches us to govern, expresses our agency.

Fla Dem

(23,590 posts)
12. Fits Bernie Sanders to a T.
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 12:30 PM
Apr 2016

3. Whereas the high profile lefties with Sanders are overwhelmingly defined by a history of failed activist ventures. "Beautiful losers."

This is Bernie Sanders to a T. Thirty years in the Congress and Senate and nothing to show for it, No Bills passed (2 renaming post offices and one other minor bill). Yes he pasted amendments to other bills, but they never went anywhere.

The system was obviously stacked against him. He could not get consensus. Failed activist ventures indeed.

NastyRiffraff

(12,448 posts)
14. I love it all,
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 12:38 PM
Apr 2016

but particularly #5:

5. That's always been the cop-out excuse. "I don't need to improve, or train, or change my approach because it's all rigged anyway."


Sums it up nicely. No responsibility,no legitimate searching for what went wrong. "It's not me! It's 'the system.' "

all american girl

(1,788 posts)
17. Go to his twitter page if you want a laugh
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 01:03 PM
Apr 2016

I just got done reading it, and one thing I can say about dudebros, comprehension is not strong

totally worth reading the take down...

Rose Siding

(32,623 posts)
22. That's a good nuts and bolts question
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 01:26 PM
Apr 2016

Groups that have been successful at moving us forward that I know of are the NAACP, Planned Parenthood volunteering, and local or state Democratic Parties.

I hope others know more to add.

Rose Siding

(32,623 posts)
27. Unions!
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 06:30 PM
Apr 2016

Look at how SEIU launched the fight for $15 so strategically, with success in the 2 leading edge states already, as well as other localities.

displacedtexan

(15,696 posts)
28. Step one: walk inside your Democratic Party HQ and volunteer.
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 06:44 PM
Apr 2016

Most local and county Dem offices have experienced organizers and seasoned event planners, but they lack enough volunteers to really make a difference in their areas, especially in red states and in red areas of blue states.

BSers would be surprised to see how many Dem party county board members are ACLU attorneys, business owners and others from all walks of life. They meet once a month normally and usually more often during election years. All you need to get started is party registration. It's amazing how much you learn just by showing up.

 

HillareeeHillaraah

(685 posts)
30. K&R
Sat Apr 23, 2016, 06:57 AM
Apr 2016

It's just so smart and spot on...

A lot of what we've been saying but he lays it all out and wraps it up in a bow

Kicking it so weekend readers don't miss it.

I spent about an hour or so following some of the links bouncing through Giordano's Twitter feed. Trolls notwithstanding, there are some interesting conversations going on ~

Thanks RS

KewlKat

(5,624 posts)
32. I like this nugget
Sat Apr 23, 2016, 07:41 AM
Apr 2016

AlGiordano@AlGiordano

AlGiordano Retweeted Lexa

As I started saying last week, 4/19 would be the Dudebro Rapture and 4/26 the Dudebro Apocalypse.

 

Her Sister

(6,444 posts)
35. Ah Perfect!!!
Sat Apr 23, 2016, 08:11 AM
Apr 2016


AlGiordano@AlGiordano

AlGiordano Retweeted Lexa

As I started saying last week, 4/19 would be the Dudebro Rapture and 4/26 the Dudebro Apocalypse.


https://twitter.com/AlGiordano/status/723755233566826497

Rose Siding

(32,623 posts)
42. I think he has a book to write from this outline
Sat Apr 23, 2016, 10:12 AM
Apr 2016

Since reading it, I see myself applying this concept as a rubric through which I view campaign news.

For instance, the head of the lefty nurses union that supports him ranted about how the only times he loses a state is because the system is rigged. Fits. They must do canvassing like other unions but the attitude behind their statements is activist and complaining rather than organizational.

That's just one instance but every story I read, there is something to which this overview applies.

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