"Do any other liberals out there find themselves sounding like conservatives now?"
Funny thread I found in r/enoughsandersspam
I know it will go back but my god I hate them. Look at what they've done to me!
And more in: https://www.reddit.com/r/enoughsandersspam/comments/4gitnn/do_any_other_liberals_out_there_find_themselves/
But since all Hillary supporters are apparently members of the establishment, and because Bernie was first and better with all progressive positions (Hillary stole his ideas and positions )--I guess we are nothing better than conservatives to Bernie supporters. Some would prefer to vote for Trump if Hillary is the nominee, and he says no-one is more conservative than him--so we must be really, really out there.
that but I probably do.
I remember elections where some got very angry when anyone said anything that could be misconstrued in the slightest against their candidate. But in most cases those were individuals, not people who espoused "groupthink" to an almost frightening extent as I see here all too often.
I believe that is what bothers me most about this cycle. Too many people seem to have folded up their brains and put them on a shelf. They are constantly posting, repeating, and disseminating debunked CTs. Frighteningly, they are into "mobbing" almost as much as Trump supporters are. They are somewhat like the nutcases that scuttled out from under their rocks in 2008 after Sarah Palin encouraged them to do so.
They don't have the same concerns as Trumpettes or Tea Partiers, but they do have the same tactics. Even now when I am quite disillusioned with Bernie, I really can't believe that he meant for this to happen. Enthusiasm is great. But too much strident zeal can tip one over the edge. And from what I see on DU - and elsewhere - on a daily basis, some have tipped over that edge with their CTs and crazy speculations for which there is not even a smidgen of proof.
Bernie opened the door and, whether he intended for that to happen or not, the "crazy" came hurtling through it. I want that "crazy" gone.
...to avoid allowing them to frame that narrative. They move the extreme left further left and then call us 'moving to the right' when we don't follow them into Utopia Land.
See? I just did it right there with "Utopia".
a philosophical work (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utopia) and not LaLa Land, which is where many seem to be heading.
Not that I believe he is perfect in any way, but there are some that
certainly present him as such.
I inhabit reality and know Hillary is the best person to get us there. There is a reason Bernie hasn't accomplished anything in his entire career. I'm not willing to hand my future over to such incompetent hands.
Where Bernie's white male privilege affords him the ability to live as radically as he has without consequence, Clinton has for the last 25 years been castigated whenever she has espoused similar views. Yet even with all the opportunity to make change, Sanders has done far far less with his station than Clinton, and she's only been there a quarter of the time he has. There is no revolution yet because, like everyone else, Sanders never bothered starting one.
I see Hillary getting us closer to a more perfect union over the next 8 years than Bernie will be able to muster.
It takes action. Talk is cheap.
What I say is far different. And I rarely say it here. I have a whole set of opinions based on feminist theory on why Sanders people do what they do. I don't need to sound like a conservative, I sound like a radical--a label given to me a a perjorative by a few now Sanders supporters during the days of HOF.
All of this so much, ismnotwasm! What I consider the only moral, ethical and inclusive progressive mission is beyond the grasp of what I consider run-of-the-mill, tired economic only theory driven, privilege apologist thinkers. The revolution is happening; it just isn't the one they want.
My problem with him is that after 35 years in government, he has accomplished NOTHING! Now he thinks that if he's elected, overnight things will change, there will be this massive movement, ground swelling across America and the congress will just roll over and say,"Whatever you want President Sanders.
I also don't like the fact he was not strong enough in his own convictions to run as a Democratic Socialist. He usurped the Democratic Party for his own benefit. He will not work for down ticket candidates so maybe, just maybe we can increase our numbers in the congress and senate. He is a user.
Unfortunately, I see Bernie Sanders as an aging revolutionary, who in the last quarter of his life realizes he never did anything revolutionary and now can at least say he ran for president.
Good night Bernie.
...some of their stuff is funny, most of their stuff is stupid trolling. I was just posting one of the items I thought was funny.
Btw, this is the Hillary Group. I'm not trolling GDP and I wouldn't post this there because I'm not an a-hole that likes to start fights.
deleting ..thanks for the heads up.
That's part of the problem right there. We're not the enemy. Neither are you.
and you're so right! that's a problem! a big problem!
thanks for not shooting bullets at me.. I'll make my way back now, unscathed I hope.
We do need to wage war once in awhile, we do not just need to raise minimum wage willy nilly without considering the economic effect, and so on, and countless other things. That is the main problem with Sanders and his fanbase, they just want everything done now now now now now, and if you say "hold on let's consider the impact here", they go off on a screaming hissy fit.