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Sun May 1, 2016, 08:35 PM

Bernie Sanders begins making case to Hillary Clinton’s superdelegates

Yahoo 5-1-2016

Sanders pointed out that although he won Washington state’s Democratic caucuses by 46 points (73 percent to 27 percent) and 25 of the state’s 36 pledged delegates, Clinton has the support of 10 of Washington’s Democratic unpledged superdelegates.

But no mention of the states that Clinton won. If it was applied by the same rational to both sides Clinton would receive 374 while Sanders would be limited to 143. But that was not the purpose of the automatic delegates.

“Let’s be clear,” Sanders said. “It is virtually impossible for Secretary Clinton to reach the majority of convention delegates by June 14 — the end of the primary season — with pledged delegates alone. She will need superdelegates to take her over the top at the convention in Philadelphia. In other words, it will be a contested convention.”

So Sanders is also pushing for the "Convoluted Math" like some of the Bernies over in the other group.

It is doubtful that the delegates supporting Hillary will switch over to Sanders when he has been a jerk towards them.

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Reply Bernie Sanders begins making case to Hillary Clinton’s superdelegates (Original post)
LiberalFighter May 2016 OP
dlwickham May 2016 #1
Squinch May 2016 #6
Stuckinthebush May 2016 #12
Walk away May 2016 #20
IamMab May 2016 #2
CrowCityDem May 2016 #3
Agnosticsherbet May 2016 #4
yallerdawg May 2016 #5
BootinUp May 2016 #7
splat May 2016 #8
Cha May 2016 #24
stopbush May 2016 #9
LiberalFighter May 2016 #10
shadowandblossom May 2016 #21
SunSeeker May 2016 #11
Cha May 2016 #13
stopbush May 2016 #15
Thinkingabout May 2016 #14
stopbush May 2016 #16
Thinkingabout May 2016 #18
LiberalFighter May 2016 #17
Thinkingabout May 2016 #19
Satch59 May 2016 #22
BootinUp May 2016 #23
SunSeeker May 2016 #25
SunSeeker May 2016 #26
KitSileya May 2016 #32
SunSeeker May 2016 #33
BootinUp May 2016 #36
Maru Kitteh May 2016 #37
Satch59 May 2016 #38
sarae May 2016 #39
oasis May 2016 #27
NanceGreggs May 2016 #28
stopbush May 2016 #29
NanceGreggs May 2016 #30
SunSeeker May 2016 #34
NanceGreggs May 2016 #35
Koinos May 2016 #40
2naSalit May 2016 #31
Koinos May 2016 #41
2naSalit May 2016 #44
Koinos May 2016 #42
sufrommich May 2016 #43

Response to LiberalFighter (Original post)

Sun May 1, 2016, 08:37 PM

1. and he still thinks he can win the nomination

delusional

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Response to dlwickham (Reply #1)

Sun May 1, 2016, 08:45 PM

6. No he doesn't. He knows he can't. This is for the money.

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Response to Squinch (Reply #6)

Sun May 1, 2016, 09:04 PM

12. ^This

It is disingenuous. He's not an idiot and he knows that there is no chance. He also understands quite well the rules.

It's for the money

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Response to dlwickham (Reply #1)

Sun May 1, 2016, 09:56 PM

20. This is why he sent Jane out on TV to beg the FBI to hurry up and indict Hillary...

not because he believes it will ever happen. It's because he needs to convince his Followers that Hillary is on her way to jail and that the Super Delegates will have to elect him. It's the only way he can still milk them for their $$$. Even they aren't besotted enough to throw money down the toilet, so he had to create a scenario in which he is magically named the nominee.

That's why they all talk about Hillary being indicted all the time. They actually believe him (or his surrogate scam artist Jane) and they click a few more bucks to him.

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Response to LiberalFighter (Original post)

Sun May 1, 2016, 08:38 PM

2. His "case" looks more like a bushel of sour grapes. "I won this state, so I should get them."

 

He's got Tad Devine on staff and still doesn't understand how super-delegates function.

If this is Bernie's new tune, I'm changing the station.

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Response to LiberalFighter (Original post)

Sun May 1, 2016, 08:41 PM

3. Bernie's case sounds like Scalia: "argle bargle"

 

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Response to LiberalFighter (Original post)

Sun May 1, 2016, 08:42 PM

4. Sanders is lying. He knows that Obama did not win a majority by pledged delegates.

Whoever wins the most delegates will be the winner.

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Response to LiberalFighter (Original post)

Sun May 1, 2016, 08:43 PM

5. For me, it has always been astounding...

to have a goal based on including superdelegates - and then an argument we shouldn't count superdelegates.

Another 'higher standard' for Hillary!

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Response to LiberalFighter (Original post)

Sun May 1, 2016, 08:45 PM

7. Once hillary gets to 2026 pledged, the heat will increase on Bernie's backside. nt

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Response to LiberalFighter (Original post)

Sun May 1, 2016, 08:50 PM

8. Superdelegates were created to give the party a big part in selecting their nominee

After McGovern's huge loss, those who were actual working members of the party wanted a way to make sure their candidate was electable, not just a current wave of rhetoric.

The rules were created to counterbalance the Bernies.

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Response to splat (Reply #8)

Sun May 1, 2016, 11:20 PM

24. Yes, and here we are, splat!

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Response to LiberalFighter (Original post)

Sun May 1, 2016, 08:53 PM

9. Having a majority of pledged delegates that gets you to 2383

without the supers means getting 59% of the pledged delegates. This isn't the Senate. There is no filibuster to overcome.

Sanders is saying that if he gets only 42% of the of the pledged delegates to Hillary's 58% that the convention is contested.

Bernie, you are an asshole.

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Response to stopbush (Reply #9)

Sun May 1, 2016, 08:59 PM

10. You need to stop being so nice to Bernie.

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Response to LiberalFighter (Reply #10)

Sun May 1, 2016, 09:59 PM

21. perfect.

So true...

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Response to stopbush (Reply #9)

Sun May 1, 2016, 09:00 PM

11. Indeed.

Can you imagine the epithets that would be flying Hillary's way if she was in Sanders’s position (i.e. behind in delegates) and was making this argument? "Asshole" would be one of the nicer ones.

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Response to stopbush (Reply #9)

Sun May 1, 2016, 09:04 PM

13. Yeah, and he's #FeelintheMath and it Berns!



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Response to Cha (Reply #13)

Sun May 1, 2016, 09:11 PM

15. The same math he used to explain how he would pay for his

Medicare for all.

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Response to LiberalFighter (Original post)

Sun May 1, 2016, 09:10 PM

14. Sanders is further behind in pledged delegates and I don't see how he is

Planning on gaining enough pledged delegates for him to win. It doesn't sound reasonable to ask Hillary to have the required number of delegates with pledged and allow him to come from behind, take super delegates to make up the difference. No, they are not going to have a rule for Hillary and another for Bernie. I would like to see Hillary achieve more delegates and negate this math.

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Response to Thinkingabout (Reply #14)

Sun May 1, 2016, 09:27 PM

16. I have the feeling Sanders is setting himself up for a major embarrassment

at the convention at the hands of the DNC.

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Response to stopbush (Reply #16)

Sun May 1, 2016, 09:29 PM

18. He could land the plane without cross winds but don't see this happening.

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Response to Thinkingabout (Reply #14)

Sun May 1, 2016, 09:29 PM

17. She will receive more delegates.

Likely receive nearly all of the remaining automatic delegates. I have her with 489 but some media or others show her with 522 I think. So there are either 192 or 150 left. Some automatic delegates are not making it public their support of Clinton because of the behavior of some of the Bernie supporters.

She should also receive a minimum of an additional 530 pledged delegates.

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Response to LiberalFighter (Reply #17)

Sun May 1, 2016, 09:31 PM

19. They will make their endorsements soon, think some have, just have not said the words yet.

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Response to LiberalFighter (Original post)

Sun May 1, 2016, 10:44 PM

22. In 2008, didn't Hillary have more of the popular vote...

And knew she'd never have enough delegates and took the classy road and conceded and then fully supported Obama?

Bernie will do harm to the Dem Party and to himself if he takes it to the convention... There is no way in hell any super delegates will swing to him... I have lost all respect for Bernie and his scorched earth team... He will be an embarrassment when over.

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Response to Satch59 (Reply #22)

Sun May 1, 2016, 10:51 PM

23. Your memory is the same as mine. nt

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Response to Satch59 (Reply #22)

Mon May 2, 2016, 12:18 AM

25. And not once did she call for a contested convention. nt

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Response to LiberalFighter (Original post)

Mon May 2, 2016, 12:28 AM

26. Check out the comments to the TPM article on this!

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Response to SunSeeker (Reply #26)

Mon May 2, 2016, 02:15 AM

32. That was a very vicious evisceration indeed.

These people on TPM don't tolerate fools gladly, do they?

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Response to KitSileya (Reply #32)

Mon May 2, 2016, 02:16 AM

33. Fools are ripped apart on TPM--no hides for hurting fee-fees.

And those pro-Hillary commenters really know their facts.

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Response to SunSeeker (Reply #26)

Mon May 2, 2016, 03:16 AM

36. one of my favs:



cf2k
8h
georgeh

Bernie's been proving his legislative uselessness for decades at the Federal level. He's not a "fighter"; he's a scolder, a whiner, and now, a carpetbagger.

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Response to SunSeeker (Reply #26)

Mon May 2, 2016, 03:24 AM

37. "Go home Bernie, you're drunk"

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Response to SunSeeker (Reply #26)

Mon May 2, 2016, 03:24 AM

38. Oh wow, that was great reading...

Amazing comments... I truly hope this gets some airplay this week and let's see if he changes his tune if (when?) she wins IN on Tues? Some new Hillary suragates like senators need to start coming out and calling bs on BS...

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Response to SunSeeker (Reply #26)

Mon May 2, 2016, 03:37 AM

39. hilarious!

This has to be one of my favorite comments:
"Good grief ...I hope he isn't using the same calculator for his economic policies."

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Response to LiberalFighter (Original post)

Mon May 2, 2016, 12:28 AM

27. It seems the presidency has now become his obsession. To think

he began his candidacy on little more than a whim.

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Response to LiberalFighter (Original post)

Mon May 2, 2016, 12:35 AM

28. At this point ...

... I'll give Bernie full credit where it's due: When it comes to the grift, he's a master at it.

He needs his followers to believe that he will be the nominee one way or the other. That's the only way the donations keep flowing.

The money spigot is already starting to dry up. He's going to look like an even bigger fool than he already does if - after promising his fans that he'll "stay in it until the last state votes" - he doesn't have the money to do it.

A con artist from the get-go. If he's actually stupid enough to think he still has a shot at the nomination, that alone proves he's too stupid to be president.

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Response to NanceGreggs (Reply #28)

Mon May 2, 2016, 12:49 AM

29. I expect him to be millions in the red once he

refunds all of the illegal donations.

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Response to stopbush (Reply #29)

Mon May 2, 2016, 01:02 AM

30. I'm particularly curious ...

... as to the Vatican trip being allowed as a campaign expense.

I have a feeling that line item is going to bite him in the ass.

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Response to NanceGreggs (Reply #30)

Mon May 2, 2016, 02:21 AM

34. Yep. That really is a scandal. You can't use campaign donations for relatives' vacays.

I mean it's bad enough Sanders dipped into campaign money for his trip to Rome, but he also took Jane and 10 relatives...on a privately chartered Boeing 767!

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Response to SunSeeker (Reply #34)

Mon May 2, 2016, 02:29 AM

35. I don't see how the trip ...

... could be written-off as a campaign expense even if he'd traveled alone - no less with the family entourage.

If he'd stayed in Italy longer and met up with American ex-pat groups who will be voting via absentee ballot in upcoming primaries, he could have made an argument (a weak argument, but an argument nonetheless) that this was a "campaign" trip. But even then, how do you explain how your entire family needed to accompany you?

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Response to NanceGreggs (Reply #35)

Mon May 2, 2016, 06:20 AM

40. But, isn't the pope a superdelegate?

It will be interesting to see how his campaign justifies that trip, which it admitted was " not political."

In light of the FEC violations and flagging donations, I predict that Bernie's campaign will end up in the red, unless he decides not to compete in California.

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Response to LiberalFighter (Original post)

Mon May 2, 2016, 01:43 AM

31. Well, considering how he and the minions

have been harassing them relentlessly and rudely, I can see how they will just flip to the party crasher.



Takes some gall there.

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Response to 2naSalit (Reply #31)

Mon May 2, 2016, 06:24 AM

41. "Vote my way or else," is not a good campaign strategy.

What I see here is a campaign totally lacking in social or political skills.

It is a campaign that acquires "followers," but not friends.

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Response to Koinos (Reply #41)

Mon May 2, 2016, 12:09 PM

44. Yup. Tell-tale sign right there.......nt

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Response to LiberalFighter (Original post)

Mon May 2, 2016, 06:30 AM

42. I don't think he understands the meaning of a "contested convention."

Superdelegates vote with delegates in the first ballot. I see no likelihood of a second ballot.

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Response to LiberalFighter (Original post)

Mon May 2, 2016, 07:49 AM

43. His campaign has gone off the rails.

I'm not sure if he's doing this to keep the cash flowing or if he's really this delusional,either way he's done.

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