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sheshe2

(83,770 posts)
Sun May 1, 2016, 09:21 PM May 2016

The Train Wreck Is Headed to California

Last edited Sun May 1, 2016, 11:36 PM - Edit history (1)

JoPat Wellman, Guest Blogger | May 1, 2016

Like many of you I have seen the good, the bad, and the ugly in campaigns during my lifetime—Al Gore running away from Bill Clinton and John Kerry running away from the swift boaters in two more recent campaigns. Hillary Clinton’s campaign in 2008 had the good, bad, and ugly, but in this year’s primary she is running a much better campaign with a much better candidate, Hillary 2.0. Obviously, she learned a lot from the Obama Campaigns of 2008 and 2012. However, Bernie Sanders is running the worst train wreck of a campaign I have ever witnessed.

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The train wreck started before it even left the station with Sanders’ NPR interview in November 2015. The interview is dismissive of the African-American voter as not just an integral part of the Democratic Party, but as the bulwark and foundation of the party.




“Well, here’s what you got. What you got is an African-American president, and the African-American community is very, very proud that this country has overcome racism and voted for him for president. And that’s kind of natural. You’ve got a situation where the Republican Party has been strongly anti-immigration, and you’ve got a Hispanic community which is looking to the Democrats for help.

But that’s not important. You should not be basing your politics based on your color. What you should be basing your politics on is, how is your family doing? In the last election, in state after state, you had an abysmally low vote for the Democrats among white, working-class people. And I think the reason for that is that the Democrats have not made it clear that they are prepared to stand with the working-class people of this country, take on the big money interests. I think the key issue that we have to focus on, and I know people are uncomfortable about talking about it, is the role of the billionaire class in American society.”





Oh boy! Could that have been more obtuse?

Statements such as those, along with his reliance on his long-ago civil rights activism, were offensive to many African-American voters. Then Sanders and his campaign hierarchy claims that Sanders would win the Northern black voters or the Democrats never win the South in general elections not only diminished the importance of southern voters, but were factually inaccurate as well. Social media flipped out after seeing a video of members of the nurses’ union training volunteers on how to “talk to black voters.” After Super Tuesday boxcars were uncoupling and veering off the tracks, but Sanders and surrogates such as Nina Turner and Jane Sanders kept denigrating the Southern states, which observers recognized as code for African-American voters.

Read more: http://www.thepeoplesview.net/main/2016/5/1/the-train-wreck-is-headed-to-california
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The Train Wreck Is Headed to California (Original Post) sheshe2 May 2016 OP
Rec before the proverbial hide. leftofcool May 2016 #1
... sheshe2 May 2016 #4
+1 displacedtexan May 2016 #17
I am SO not looking forward to Sanders polluting the CA airwaves with his ads. nt SunSeeker May 2016 #2
I feel your pain. sheshe2 May 2016 #5
We'll just have to remind ourselves: "This too shall pass." SunSeeker May 2016 #10
Yes it will. sheshe2 May 2016 #15
Maybe you'll get lucky and he'll spend all his $$$ on rallies! Walk away May 2016 #16
#FeelTheToneDeafness Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin May 2016 #3
Exactly Yo_Mama! sheshe2 May 2016 #8
Perfect! pandr32 May 2016 #40
Thank you for this, she.. It's despicable what sanders and the surrogates are trying to do Cha May 2016 #6
This can't be a revolution when you marginalize certain voters. sheshe2 May 2016 #13
50 state strategy my ass Maru Kitteh May 2016 #26
Blacks are three - fifths a person,m doncha know. sheshe2 May 2016 #28
An important voting block and from the numbers it looks like this is a high percentage voting block Thinkingabout May 2016 #7
K&R Get that in while I can. fleabiscuit May 2016 #9
Very well said!!!!! tonyt53 May 2016 #11
K&R! DemonGoddess May 2016 #12
White progressivism looked disgustingly too much like white conservatism for my tastes. IamMab May 2016 #14
Take a look at where Bernie has his rallies tonyt53 May 2016 #27
"White progressivism looked disgustingly too much like white conservatism for my tastes." Tarheel_Dem May 2016 #33
Some ass just went full... SaschaHM May 2016 #18
Sander's campaign in a nutshell Haveadream May 2016 #19
So according to BS, working class = white people Her Sister May 2016 #38
Yep! And, according to this statement, Obama and the Dems don't really care about them! Haveadream May 2016 #39
We just got a SOP alert on my thread. sheshe2 May 2016 #20
Good information, I think it should be reposted then. Eventually they will lose the jury decision. BootinUp May 2016 #21
A SOP sheshe2 May 2016 #25
I GUESS THE TRUTH IS TOO DIFFICULT FOR SOME PEOPLE. Maru Kitteh May 2016 #23
I knew he was dismissive of the black vote, I didn't know how LONG he's been so dimissive Maru Kitteh May 2016 #22
WOW. At least in my opinion, Liberals try and listen. Iliyah May 2016 #24
This message was self-deleted by its author George II May 2016 #29
Despite the trolling DUer who alerted this post, it's great and a very good read. Thanks again! George II May 2016 #30
Thanks George. sheshe2 May 2016 #31
"But that's not important." murielm99 May 2016 #32
In his zeal to go after that much sought after "white working class voter", he alienated the base. Tarheel_Dem May 2016 #34
And he alienated women as well. Koinos May 2016 #37
"Young white angry males are not the Democratic base." Tarheel_Dem May 2016 #41
KNR Lucinda May 2016 #35
KnR Hekate May 2016 #36

Walk away

(9,494 posts)
16. Maybe you'll get lucky and he'll spend all his $$$ on rallies!
Sun May 1, 2016, 10:06 PM
May 2016

He loves to talk at a lot of people and stir up that Hillary Hate!

Cha

(297,240 posts)
6. Thank you for this, she.. It's despicable what sanders and the surrogates are trying to do
Sun May 1, 2016, 09:39 PM
May 2016

to the "Southern voters".. and, more than a little bit stupid.

sheshe2

(83,770 posts)
13. This can't be a revolution when you marginalize certain voters.
Sun May 1, 2016, 09:54 PM
May 2016

Southern voters....their votes don't matter. How sad is that.

Thanks Cha.

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
7. An important voting block and from the numbers it looks like this is a high percentage voting block
Sun May 1, 2016, 09:48 PM
May 2016

Of course there were disparaging remarks made about Southern states, bad political decisions.

 

IamMab

(1,359 posts)
14. White progressivism looked disgustingly too much like white conservatism for my tastes.
Sun May 1, 2016, 09:59 PM
May 2016

I do not want to be on the side of anyone who acts and speaks so disrespectfully towards minorities. There will be no dialing back of the demographic changes that have taken place. America is already on course to become a majority-minority nation. Appeals to the "white working-class" fall on more and more deaf ears every year.

Which is a shame, because it should be progressive to fight for racial justice just as strongly as economic justice.

 

tonyt53

(5,737 posts)
27. Take a look at where Bernie has his rallies
Sun May 1, 2016, 11:34 PM
May 2016

Almost all of them are at, or very near a college campus - a college campus where almost everybody is white. No wonder he doesn't understand why minorities aren't flocking to him. White, and mostly under the age of 25 - Bernie's core supporter. Then he and his wife both have the audacity to make light of the votes of minorities.

Tarheel_Dem

(31,234 posts)
33. "White progressivism looked disgustingly too much like white conservatism for my tastes."
Mon May 2, 2016, 01:21 AM
May 2016


And with the exception of the few token AA's who signed on to be a big fish in BS' small pond, much like his lavish spending, the outreach has been a bust.

SaschaHM

(2,897 posts)
18. Some ass just went full...
Sun May 1, 2016, 10:22 PM
May 2016

Paternalistic republican on me when I stated bluntly that the democratic party would never steal the nomination from a woman who won a decisive majority of AA voters.

Identity Politics. Let us decide whats best for people.

The progressive movement is treading on some very dangerous ground with this racist shit.

Haveadream

(1,630 posts)
19. Sander's campaign in a nutshell
Sun May 1, 2016, 10:35 PM
May 2016
In the last election, in state after state, you had an abysmally low vote for the Democrats among white, working-class people. And I think the reason for that is that the Democrats have not made it clear that they are prepared to stand with the working-class people of this country, take on the big money interests.




No wonder there are Bernie people willing to switch to Trump.



Haveadream

(1,630 posts)
39. Yep! And, according to this statement, Obama and the Dems don't really care about them!
Mon May 2, 2016, 10:36 AM
May 2016

And that is why they lost "white, working class" in the last elections. But Bernie is here to save the day from the disaster that has been Obama, the Dems and now his corporate handmaiden, Hillary.

Riiiiight.

It couldn't possibly, in any way conceivably, slightly, even a little bit, be attributed to pushback from those very same "white, working class" folks being reached out to? It couldn't be the ones who want to bring America back and thus will never, ever vote for Hillary but instead will either proudly stand with Bernie or stand by and allow Trump to win?

If you don't want minorities to feel excluded, you cannot say that their gains and representation "don't matter" in the same breath that you say "white working class" people's economic difficulties do.

This is not difficult.

sheshe2

(83,770 posts)
20. We just got a SOP alert on my thread.
Sun May 1, 2016, 11:16 PM
May 2016

I could name the person who sent it, yet I will not act so childless as the alerter.

Next comes the hide in a protected group that is continuously stalked.

BootinUp

(47,150 posts)
21. Good information, I think it should be reposted then. Eventually they will lose the jury decision.
Sun May 1, 2016, 11:19 PM
May 2016

sheshe2

(83,770 posts)
25. A SOP
Sun May 1, 2016, 11:27 PM
May 2016

Alerts hosts that a post does not conform to our guide lines at HCG. It is a heads up to hosts. Yet it is almost always a disruptor that tries to stiffle us. Ignored unless it is malicious.

Maru Kitteh

(28,340 posts)
23. I GUESS THE TRUTH IS TOO DIFFICULT FOR SOME PEOPLE.
Sun May 1, 2016, 11:25 PM
May 2016

Hide the truth. It doesn't change the fact that you already lost this one Berners.

Maru Kitteh

(28,340 posts)
22. I knew he was dismissive of the black vote, I didn't know how LONG he's been so dimissive
Sun May 1, 2016, 11:23 PM
May 2016

but it makes sense right? What did he have to worry about in lily-white Vermont?

Response to sheshe2 (Original post)

murielm99

(30,741 posts)
32. "But that's not important."
Mon May 2, 2016, 01:09 AM
May 2016

Wow. Just wow.

Only those who vote for Bernie are important? Is that it?

He focuses so much on money. Him personally, his campaign, his wife....The rest of us just don't "get it."

Tarheel_Dem

(31,234 posts)
34. In his zeal to go after that much sought after "white working class voter", he alienated the base.
Mon May 2, 2016, 01:25 AM
May 2016

Without significant AA & Latino support, a Democrat would never win a national election EVER again. As much as BS & his BSers may not like it, "identity" does matter.

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