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riversedge

(70,204 posts)
Wed May 4, 2016, 10:10 PM May 2016

"I知 not going to sugarcoat it- the latest smear from the Sanders campaign makes me sick."

I keep hearing Sanders is going to run on the issues. He lies.





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Who's got two thumbs and a demonstrated commitment to electing Democrats up and down the ballot? This gal



The Hillary Victory Fund, Coordinated Campaigns, and Sanders Jumps the Megalodon with Laundering Lie



http://m.dailykos.com/story/2016/5/3/1522651/-The-Hillary-Victory-Fund-Coordinated-Campaigns-and-Sanders-Jumps-the-Megalodon-with-Laundering-Lie


May 03, 2016 3:14pm CST by TobyRocksSoHard


I’m not going to sugarcoat it- the latest smear from the Sanders campaign makes me sick. It isn’t just an attack on our nominee for President, it is an attack on the very basis of a modern campaign that elects Democrats not just to the White House or federal office, but to state legislatures and governorships.

Accusing Hillary Clinton of “money laundering” through the Hillary Victory Fund because she is raising money for state parties (that is allocated and distributed by the DNC) is one of the ugliest, most pernicious lies I have seen come from either party this cycle
. It is a smear that goes beyond desperation and speaks to a deficiency of character that is quite profound. The reason why is simple: the ability of a state Democratic party to run a coordinated campaign in the fall is the only way we will make the gains we need in the Senate, House, and state governments to impact legislation and redistricting going forward. How does a “coordinated campaign” work?

There are many candidates who want to identify and turn out Democratic voters in most locations in the country. There are candidates running statewide (Presidential and Senator) in large districts (House) and smaller districts nested inside those districts (state senate, state house, etc.)

There are, simply speaking, two ways those candidates can reach voters- communication (mail, television, radio, digital, and the like) and field (door knocks, phone calls, literature drops, etc.)

There are, also simply speaking, three major finite resources that campaigns make use of- money, time, and volunteers.

A coordinated campaign streamlines the expenditure of all three resources in order to reach the largest number of people through communication and field programs.


The basic way these things work is this: three entities basically exist in a battleground state: the Presidential campaign, the coordinated campaign (run by the state parties), and the individual candidate campaigns. If the coordinated campaign did not exist, the Presidential race and the various individual candidates for federal and state office would be competing for volunteers, reaching out to the same voters multiple times, and expending tremendous resources on field programs that take money out of their communication efforts.

The coordinated campaigns, however, combine field efforts between the Presidential campaign and the downticket candidates. In a battleground state, the Presidential campaign will have their own field program and staff of organizers who will work directly (often out of the same offices) with the organizers from the coordinated campaign. They run a slate of candidates so that volunteers they recruit will go out and talk to voters about the Presidential candidate all the way down to their state assembly candidates.

This means that Democratic volunteers in the state have a one-stop shop and don’t have to divide their loyalties. It means that state Senate candidates do not have to fund a field program and pay the salary of a field organizer out of their limited budget (they aren’t cheaper just because you have a smaller district, after all).

You end up with a coordinated field program that allows sophisticated targeting of voters, speaking to them about all of their Democratic candidates. The targeting and messaging resources that a Presidential or US Senate candidate can bring to bear are available to candidates for state legislatures. The right voters are getting spoken to with the best messaging at the doors and on the phone, and they’re hearing about all the Democrats we need to elect.

That is a very good thing. And there is a flip side to the coin that is also very good.

Because the state party and the Presidential campaign are raising the money for the field program, it is good news for the fundraising and spending priorities of the downballot candidates. People who have donated the maximum to the Presidential and state party committees can still choose to donate the maximum to the individual state candidates under state laws. There is a list of donors clearly dedicated to downballot races who these candidates can tap for individual contributions to their campaigns.

More important than that, though, is these candidates have freed up resources that would have been spent on field to tailor their communication message to their district. They know the best use of those dollars, whether or not television is worth the investment, whether radio reaches enough people, whether mail pieces will reach rural voters in a large district without much density. They know the issues local voters care about. They know the familiar faces of endorsers to stick in a commercial or plaster on a mail piece. And now they have more resources for getting the best message out in the best way to the largest number of people.

Funding state parties to be able to run a coordinated campaign is one of the single best investments Democrats can make if we care about not just the White House and the Supreme Court, but control over redistricting in gerrymandered purple states, assaults on women’s rights by state governments, voter suppression tactics being passed around the nation, and every other issue from local to global importance.


Does Hillary benefit from the coordinated campaign and the state party money spent? Sure she does. But not nearly as much as other Democrats on the ballot do. The investment that the Presidential campaign itself will put into these states not only bolsters the coordinated campaign, it will likely be larger than the state party spending anyways. Clinton is raising money for these state parties and will be dumping more Presidential money into many of the states that will help the entire ballot, as well.

To be completely fair, though, there are winners and losers in this scenario. The way this is set up is that most of the money goes back to the DNC to be allocated strategically as the November race shapes up. ...................................

The DNC has an interest in pushing those resources to where they will have the largest impact. That calculus will shift as the race takes shape. State parties will need to do a great job of completing candidate recruitment and candidates will need to do a great job of building their campaigns so that they can make a strong case to the DNC as these decisions are being made.

The ludicrous lie being spread by the Sanders campaign isn’t just an attack on Clinton’s character. It undermines the ability of Democrats to compete at all levels. It is a vile and disgustingly self-serving attempt to gin up false outrage in a way that undermines progressive goals. It undermines our ability to have control over the Supreme Court. It undermines our ability to have a seat at the redistricting table in states across the country in four years.................................

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"I知 not going to sugarcoat it- the latest smear from the Sanders campaign makes me sick." (Original Post) riversedge May 2016 OP
There have been sooo many vicious lies...but this one is up there on my list. Lucinda May 2016 #1
+1000 LisaM May 2016 #2
K&R! DemonGoddess May 2016 #3
It's time to kick Bernie's ass off the bus. Loki May 2016 #4
"A deficiency of character that is quite profound." UtahLib May 2016 #5
Under ANY circumstances, I will NEVER vote for Sanders. He has earned my disdain still_one May 2016 #6
Agreed, and I will donate to anyone who runs against him for senate...if he runs again. nt anotherproletariat May 2016 #17
Does not care about our Party at all! This is just so clear! Her Sister May 2016 #7
I can't figure out if BS is profoundly stupid or just DURHAM D May 2016 #8
Why force yourself to choose? okasha May 2016 #18
Please post this in GDP. Control-Z May 2016 #9
I worked on a coordinated campaign in Michigan. displacedtexan May 2016 #10
BS is desperate, he knows hillary is less than 200 delegates from winning.. dubyadiprecession May 2016 #11
I don't think he is concerned about devastating his supporters. brer cat May 2016 #21
I've said it before NastyRiffraff May 2016 #12
^This Stuckinthebush May 2016 #15
Right, Riff! Just think of all the fundraising he'll get either way.. only one problem Cha May 2016 #16
No, berny's not going to change his path from over the abyss.. he's going to have to be Cha May 2016 #13
It's a disgusting lie. Sanders should be ashamed. SunSeeker May 2016 #14
All the nutjob conspiracy theorists love this one ismnotwasm May 2016 #19
BS Taxes and BS Campaign's FEC Violations--- Trying to change conversation away from this Her Sister May 2016 #20

Lucinda

(31,170 posts)
1. There have been sooo many vicious lies...but this one is up there on my list.
Wed May 4, 2016, 10:14 PM
May 2016

The Sanders campaign is disgusting.

LisaM

(27,806 posts)
2. +1000
Wed May 4, 2016, 10:14 PM
May 2016

He signed the same agreement for cripe's sake. Notice he didn't file an actual complaint. Just sent off a letter and immediately fundraiser off it. The lawyer who signed outta be ashamed.

UtahLib

(3,179 posts)
5. "A deficiency of character that is quite profound."
Wed May 4, 2016, 10:20 PM
May 2016

Yeah, we've known that about him for quite some time. What a sour existence he and his family must lead.

 

Her Sister

(6,444 posts)
7. Does not care about our Party at all! This is just so clear!
Wed May 4, 2016, 10:26 PM
May 2016

We have a nominee already! He is mathematically out! Gosh why we need to keep coddling these people!

HRC #45


Control-Z

(15,682 posts)
9. Please post this in GDP.
Wed May 4, 2016, 10:56 PM
May 2016

If you're worried about a hide I'll happily post it. I just don't have the time to make any replies to the berners.

When I heard this laundering accusation yesterday my blood pressure took a hit.I didn't think I could despise him more.

displacedtexan

(15,696 posts)
10. I worked on a coordinated campaign in Michigan.
Wed May 4, 2016, 11:01 PM
May 2016

Carl Levin, Jennifer Granholm, and a state senate candidate whose race was targeted by the party (for new Dems like Sanders, that means the party thinks a candidate is worth supporting with funds and staffers. Got that, Bernie?) all pooled their resources and shared mailings, events, staff and venues. It's a lot of people with a lot of small amounts of money coming in and going out every day. It's challenging but so rewarding!

dubyadiprecession

(5,707 posts)
11. BS is desperate, he knows hillary is less than 200 delegates from winning..
Wed May 4, 2016, 11:11 PM
May 2016

The nomination. How is he going to eventually tell his supporters he's dropping out without devastating them?

brer cat

(24,562 posts)
21. I don't think he is concerned about devastating his supporters.
Thu May 5, 2016, 06:35 AM
May 2016

I think he doesn't want the $$$ pipeline turned off.

NastyRiffraff

(12,448 posts)
12. I've said it before
Wed May 4, 2016, 11:28 PM
May 2016

and I'll say it here again because it bears repeating. It's a way to understand what Sanders is doing:

Bernie Sanders doesn't care about the Democratic Party. And by extension, he doesn't care if Democrats win or lose, as long as HE wins.

The ludicrous lie being spread by the Sanders campaign isn’t just an attack on Clinton’s character. It undermines the ability of Democrats to compete at all levels.


Every time I see the incredulity of honest liberals at something like this, I want to say it again: Bernie Sanders doesn't care about the Democratic Party. To him,the fact that he's hurting the Democratic party and Democrats isn't a winning argument. It's a non issue. He. simply. doesn't. care.

Stuckinthebush

(10,845 posts)
15. ^This
Thu May 5, 2016, 12:15 AM
May 2016

Bernie doesn't care about the party! He cares about his lost cause and he is screwing up his power to do a damn thing about it.

I despise the guy now. Good riddance to that ass.

Cha

(297,187 posts)
16. Right, Riff! Just think of all the fundraising he'll get either way.. only one problem
Thu May 5, 2016, 12:16 AM
May 2016

if he's the reason trump wins.. who will have money to fund his mouth?

Cha

(297,187 posts)
13. No, berny's not going to change his path from over the abyss.. he's going to have to be
Thu May 5, 2016, 12:14 AM
May 2016

dragged off the stage kicking and whiny.

Thank you for this, rivers.

SunSeeker

(51,550 posts)
14. It's a disgusting lie. Sanders should be ashamed.
Thu May 5, 2016, 12:14 AM
May 2016

It appears he's flinging poo to distract from the fact that his campaign has not contributed a dime to down-ballot Dems.

ismnotwasm

(41,976 posts)
19. All the nutjob conspiracy theorists love this one
Thu May 5, 2016, 01:42 AM
May 2016

And as per usual, use articles full of verbiage who name "sources" along with puerile interpretations of actual law, bizarre speculations and a lot of ridiculous name-dropping.

Tiresome and loathsome.

 

Her Sister

(6,444 posts)
20. BS Taxes and BS Campaign's FEC Violations--- Trying to change conversation away from this
Thu May 5, 2016, 06:21 AM
May 2016

He is the one with the violations.

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