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Iamaartist

(3,300 posts)
Sun May 15, 2016, 01:52 PM May 2016

As Bernie’s reasonable fans pivot to Hillary, his fanatics have gone nuts. They can’t hurt her.

http://www.dailynewsbin.com/opinion/now-that-hillary-has-won-the-remaining-bernie-fanatics-have-gone-nuts-they-never-mattered/24812/


Each day it becomes more clear that Hillary Clinton is certain to become the 2016 Democratic Party nominee. She’s ahead by more than three million votes. Accordingly she only needs a handful of delegates from the final states, which she get proportionally win or lose, in order to clinch it. That’s prompted most supporters of Bernie Sanders, including some of his most prominent backers, to begin embracing the inevitable: that it’s time to support Hillary in the general election even if they still support Bernie’s platform. But as the Nevada convention demonstrated this weekend, the minority of Bernie fanatics have gone completely nuts. And that’s okay, because they were never a part of this process.

Last fall I wrote that Bernie Sanders essentially had two bases of support in his Presidential campaign. Even back then, the trend was clear enough to see. 85% of them were regular democrats and liberals who happened to like what he was selling, and they were always going to slide to Hillary if she won the nomination, because they were never going to sit back and let a republican win. The other 15% were self described libertarians but came off more like anarchists or just paranoid anti-government types who were latching onto Bernie for all the wrong reasons: when he talked about a “political revolution” all they heard was revolution. And now those two groups are fully diverging from each other.

As had always been predictable, various prominent Bernie Sanders surrogates ranging from Bill Maher to Michael Moore to Robert Reich are now making clear that they’ll vote for Hillary Clinton in November if she’s the nominee. For that matter so will most of Bernie’s supporters overall, because they’re not insane enough to allow a republican like Donald Trump to become President. And yet there are still those pesky anti-government loons who are trying to burn down the Democratic Party now that their preferred candidate lost in a multimillion vote blowout fair and square. But they’re about to make a different kind of pivot of their own.


The ugly scene at the Nevada convention, which saw Bernie loons booing respected Senator Barbara Boxer and then later booing Bernie’s own surrogate Nina Turner before ultimately getting on the wrong side of the police, can only serve to chase away Bernie’s reasonable supporters. They may not be ready to give up on him, but they can see that his campaign has become a sinking ship that’s now dominated by crazed bottom-feeders who don’t care about progress. Reasonable people will bail on his campaign all the more quickly, preferring to root for him as a Senator, as an idea, but no longer as a Presidential candidate.

And even the loons will get chased off soon enough. Bernie Sanders keeps saying that whether he becomes the democratic nominee or not, he’ll do everything he can do help defeat Donald Trump when the time comes. That means at some point he’ll end his campaign and at least nominally get behind Hillary Clinton, so he can use it as a platform for trying to bury Trump. And that’s right about the time that the crazed loons will abandon Bernie, perhaps claiming that he “sold out” or that he’s now a part of the “establishment conspiracy” against himself.


Most of the loons won’t end up voting in November at all. And that won’t hurt anything, because these were the types who were never going to vote for a major party candidate to begin with. They were merely bandwagoning on what they secretly hoped might be the end of the world as we know it. Meanwhile the majority of Bernie’s supporters are already coming around to the idea that they’ll be voting for Hillary in the fall.

The Nevada convention will not be a preview of the Democratic National Convention. By that time the party will have sat with a by-then mathematically eliminated Sanders, negotiated a few platform concessions and granted him a primetime speaking slot, in return for him peaceably going along with the nominating process. His loons won’t be allowed into the building. And if any of the actual delegates decide to make the career-ending mistake of acting up, they’ll be quickly introduced to Homeland Security and the Philadelphia Police Department and the Secret Service.


It will all fade away soon.....
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As Bernie’s reasonable fans pivot to Hillary, his fanatics have gone nuts. They can’t hurt her. (Original Post) Iamaartist May 2016 OP
bernie tells fans he is not the new messiah, fans refuse to believe it and stage riot nt msongs May 2016 #1
lol Cha May 2016 #2
LOL is right..... Iamaartist May 2016 #6
Like when Emperor Hirohito was forced to denounce his divinity to the people of Japan post-WWII? caquillo May 2016 #10
Sanders leadership abilities will be tested, we need to unite, allowing a Trump presidency is not a Thinkingabout May 2016 #3
I am not sure it will happen with him,but it would be nice....to unite together Iamaartist May 2016 #17
very good article. Like I've been saying all along - the loons are not worth courting. n/t Lil Missy May 2016 #4
Thank-you I agree..... Iamaartist May 2016 #22
Me too! nt Walk away May 2016 #28
Do any of you think Bernie will eventually try to control redstatebluegirl May 2016 #5
BS Iamaartist May 2016 #9
Being a US Senator is itself quite an accomplishment SharonClark May 2016 #12
I think so but he may not..... Iamaartist May 2016 #15
Maybe he ate lunch alone a lot because he was an asshole Maru Kitteh May 2016 #38
Nope. I now believe this is what he wanted all along. grossproffit May 2016 #42
Nailed. nt BootinUp May 2016 #7
Thank-you Iamaartist May 2016 #14
I think there are also some international operatives annavictorious May 2016 #8
I agree...I know that to.... Iamaartist May 2016 #19
The lunatic bagger left is plotting violence at the Democratic convention in Philly workinclasszero May 2016 #11
Reddit is to political discussion SharonClark May 2016 #13
LOL no doubt workinclasszero May 2016 #16
That is what I was worried about also.....the rage is out of control... Iamaartist May 2016 #20
Just put some voting booths around the arena and they'll scatter thelordofhell May 2016 #27
K & R SunSeeker May 2016 #18
K&R ...... Iamaartist May 2016 #21
They're unhinged StayFrosty May 2016 #23
I am to,it ,it could be dangerous,they seem not to care if anyone gets hurt... Iamaartist May 2016 #24
Yipes shenmue May 2016 #30
There may be an arrest or two, but the Philadelphia police will keep order. Koinos May 2016 #25
Thank you for this reasonable post. apcalc May 2016 #26
Honestly, I think that the worse they act out the better for us. Walk away May 2016 #29
As long as nobody gets hurt,they surely will be a emarrassed to the public... Iamaartist May 2016 #32
I have friends who are... LenaBaby61 May 2016 #31
Very nice statement thank-you Iamaartist May 2016 #33
Excellent article; thanks for posting it NastyRiffraff May 2016 #34
Some of the remaining Bernie supporters are getting more and more angry by the day. Kaleva May 2016 #35
I'm a Bernie supporter Turin_C3PO May 2016 #36
I am sorry to hear you have been treated poorly. Really. I get a lot riversedge May 2016 #37
I appreciate what you are saying. Koinos May 2016 #39
Your post made my heart hurt. I'm so sorry you've been treated that way Maru Kitteh May 2016 #41
"It will all fade away soon....." NurseJackie May 2016 #40

Iamaartist

(3,300 posts)
6. LOL is right.....
Sun May 15, 2016, 02:04 PM
May 2016

Well we had to believe it with Gore when he was suppose to be the real president at that time.....when George Bush stole the election.....from him...everybody has to face things in life bad or good...time for them to grow up......

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
3. Sanders leadership abilities will be tested, we need to unite, allowing a Trump presidency is not a
Sun May 15, 2016, 01:58 PM
May 2016

prize I would ever seek.

Iamaartist

(3,300 posts)
17. I am not sure it will happen with him,but it would be nice....to unite together
Sun May 15, 2016, 02:39 PM
May 2016

But he did a lot of damage to the Dem party .....so its a question??

redstatebluegirl

(12,265 posts)
5. Do any of you think Bernie will eventually try to control
Sun May 15, 2016, 02:03 PM
May 2016

that faction of his followers who are clearly against the party? It is really terrifying after seeing what happened in Nevada.

Iamaartist

(3,300 posts)
9. BS
Sun May 15, 2016, 02:11 PM
May 2016

I think Bernie has a problem within himself......also maybe not accomplishing much in life being unknown to most I knew him form Tom Hartmann show since Tom is from my home state but otherwise I would have never known who he was......and maybe a little jealous of Hillary....

Maybe he was a lonely child when young ,they say he ate lunch alone a lot,maybe something to do with his.pass not sure but no excuse for his anger .......and he is controlling

SharonClark

(10,014 posts)
12. Being a US Senator is itself quite an accomplishment
Sun May 15, 2016, 02:19 PM
May 2016

As for his 'lonely' lunches, none of us knows that, but it seems doubtful since we was raised in NYC and not the backwoods of Montana.

Iamaartist

(3,300 posts)
15. I think so but he may not.....
Sun May 15, 2016, 02:24 PM
May 2016

Not sure about his lunches just heard it on Tom's show long while back...

Maru Kitteh

(28,340 posts)
38. Maybe he ate lunch alone a lot because he was an asshole
Mon May 16, 2016, 04:37 PM
May 2016

Even as a small child. Of all the old photos I've seen of him, NONE of them conveyed any joy. Even in his youth. How is one so miserable for so very long? It seems like such a waste.

Iamaartist

(3,300 posts)
14. Thank-you
Sun May 15, 2016, 02:22 PM
May 2016

Not sure but that is what I read into him...sometimes our pass reflects on us as adults.....

But I do believe our childhood reflects us as adults in different ways,was he bully as kid you just never know and being Jewish as he is its possible I don't know ......

 

annavictorious

(934 posts)
8. I think there are also some international operatives
Sun May 15, 2016, 02:08 PM
May 2016

who will also disappear once the primaries are over.

It's seemed to me for the last several months that the Sanders movement has, at least in some part, been co-opted by international groups in the same way that both Occupy and the Ferguson protests were. The FEC questions about foreign donations to Sanders campaign is a red flag. The vicious abject demonization of Clinton is another.

 

workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
11. The lunatic bagger left is plotting violence at the Democratic convention in Philly
Sun May 15, 2016, 02:18 PM
May 2016

Its all over reddit.

Go to any pro Sanders page over there and you are bound to see calls for violence at the dem convention.

thelordofhell

(4,569 posts)
27. Just put some voting booths around the arena and they'll scatter
Sun May 15, 2016, 05:47 PM
May 2016

Voting is like Kryptonite to these people because it's so Establishment, Third-Way, Elitist.......

StayFrosty

(237 posts)
23. They're unhinged
Sun May 15, 2016, 03:56 PM
May 2016

Someone forgot to lock the doors to the lunatic asylum

I'm really afraid about what will happen at the convention because it's clear these people don't give a damn if the majority of Democrats voted for Clinton

Iamaartist

(3,300 posts)
24. I am to,it ,it could be dangerous,they seem not to care if anyone gets hurt...
Sun May 15, 2016, 04:06 PM
May 2016

They will have a lot of security there.....still you never know

I have a lot of cousins in California, i fear whats going to go on their in voting if he loses there..riots I hope not...

Koinos

(2,792 posts)
25. There may be an arrest or two, but the Philadelphia police will keep order.
Sun May 15, 2016, 05:08 PM
May 2016

The Bernie lunatics are all talk (including yelling obscenities) and no action.

The Republican convention in Cleveland may be a different situation altogether.

ETA: The doors to the lunatic asylum have locks, but no hinges.

apcalc

(4,465 posts)
26. Thank you for this reasonable post.
Sun May 15, 2016, 05:28 PM
May 2016

Just what I needed to read!
It is easy to get caught up in the hateful lunacy of the Busters.
Ignore button here I come 😉!

Walk away

(9,494 posts)
29. Honestly, I think that the worse they act out the better for us.
Sun May 15, 2016, 06:05 PM
May 2016

They will just end up marginalizing themselves. If they go nuts at the convention, not only will voters be embarrassed to continue to support Bernie, they will be ashamed to admit that they ever did.

LenaBaby61

(6,974 posts)
31. I have friends who are...
Sun May 15, 2016, 06:58 PM
May 2016

Very enthusiastic Bernie Sanders supporters. ALL have and continue to donate and a few phone bank for Bernie Sanders. NONE are unhinged, crazy or aggressive (Just like most Hillary Clinton fans aren't unhinged, crazy or aggressive etc.). ALL of them intend on voting blue whoever wins the Democratic nomination, and that means them voting for Hillary Clinton, because they're scared to DEATH of a Donald Trump presidency and of course scared of what he'll do TO the Supreme Court with Scalia-type appointments and I don't blame them one bit.

We were all good friends BEFORE Hillary & Bernie's run for the presidency and we'll REMAIN good friends AFTER the GE come this fall.

Iamaartist

(3,300 posts)
33. Very nice statement thank-you
Sun May 15, 2016, 07:36 PM
May 2016

We all would have to leave the country if Trump was to become president...

NastyRiffraff

(12,448 posts)
34. Excellent article; thanks for posting it
Sun May 15, 2016, 07:50 PM
May 2016

Here on DU, the loons are out-shouting and bullying the sane Sanders supporters, so looking through the DU prism it seems as if they're the majority. They're not; they're just the loudest.

I wish I could completely believe that last paragraph, but I'm still concerned about Philadelphia. They may be a minority, but some are really unhinged.

Kaleva

(36,296 posts)
35. Some of the remaining Bernie supporters are getting more and more angry by the day.
Sun May 15, 2016, 07:52 PM
May 2016

Support for Bernie has dropped even here at DU. There was a time not long ago when there were far more posts made per day in the Bernie group then in the Hillary group. Since New York, that has changed and number of posts in the Bernie group have dropped dramatically while it has risen and remains strong in the Hillary group.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=forum&id=1099

Turin_C3PO

(13,975 posts)
36. I'm a Bernie supporter
Mon May 16, 2016, 12:45 PM
May 2016

who is still going to vote for him in June in New Mexico. I'll expect Sanders to concede the night of June 7th and throw his full support to Clinton. If he drags it out till the Democratic Convention, my feelings about him will change drastically for the worse. I like Hillary and can't wait till she stomps Donald Trump in November.

Anyway,because I expressed that I'm going to proudly support Clinton, I've had fellow Bernie supporters ostracize me and claim I'm a troll and other terrible things. It makes me so angry and hurt. There's a a lot of reasonable, good supporters of Sanders but they're being out-yelled by the kooks and privileged who can afford not to vote D because it won't affect them personally. It's bullshit.

riversedge

(70,204 posts)
37. I am sorry to hear you have been treated poorly. Really. I get a lot
Mon May 16, 2016, 04:21 PM
May 2016

of my inspiration from Hillary. I can't imagine how tough it must be for her-to put up with garbage for 40 plus years. Hang in there.

Koinos

(2,792 posts)
39. I appreciate what you are saying.
Mon May 16, 2016, 04:40 PM
May 2016

It is my survival instinct that compels me to vote against Trump. Things will get very, very bad if that madman takes control of this country. If I were rich, I could probably ride out a Trump presidency. As it is, I wouldn't make it.

Maru Kitteh

(28,340 posts)
41. Your post made my heart hurt. I'm so sorry you've been treated that way
Mon May 16, 2016, 05:53 PM
May 2016

Please remember that the online "supporters" here are truly the fringe element. I highly suspect many of them are Rand/Ron Paul types that were cast out into orbit on their collapse and landed here. Many of them have little or no experience with politics and aren't yet used to the idea that sometimes you run your best campaign and just fall short because the other candidate gets more votes. That really stings. Most of us have been there before. But you dust off your pride and move forward. Especially when you're facing a pumpkin-hued, knuckle-dragging, mouth-breathing, living "missing link" of an opponent who would without a single doubt cast this country and the world into a free-fall the likes of which have never been seen.

But anyway, chin up. We're all going to be ok. I believe it.

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