Sanders' called-for superdelegate rule changes = still far behind, regardless of method

[TwilightZone]

"Bernie Sanders, in response to Hillary Clinton's significant delegate lead, has called for wholesale changes to the Democratic Party's primary system, suggesting that is it both un-democratic and tilted in favor of the former secretary of state. "

(snip)

"But based on CNN's analysis, major changes to the ways Democrats allocate their delegates, or even abolishing superdelegates, would still result in Clinton holding a large lead over Sanders and close to winning the nomination."

http://www.cnn.com/2016/05/16/politics/democratic-superdelegate-math-sanders-clinton/index.html

[msongs]

1. oddly enough he was ok with them when he became a democrat for the $$ and attention nt

[TwilightZone]

19. There are a lot of things that he and his campaign agreed to that they've suddenly decided...

they don't like anymore. They're rather selective about it, though. If it helps them, it's the best thing ever.

[Thinkingabout]

2. There is a wonderful idea behind the super delegates, to prevent hostile takeovers by other parties.

After the GOP has had their problems they may opt for super delegates next election. Sanders has had twenty five years to establish relationships with other congressional members, he chose not to, it is on Sanders. He said he would abide by the DNC rules and nowv he want to change the rules.

Besides this, Hillary is still ahead of him in pledged delegates so without the SD's he is still losing.

[DesertFlower]

5. he didn't establish relationships yet he

thinks if he becomes prez they'll work with him. they're gonna say "screw you bernie".

[liberal N proud]

3. They insist that they are just trying to correct a wrong for the future

Like that would be a first.

[Thinkingabout]

6. Except it is not wrong.

[liberal N proud]

7. They don't like them because they couldn't get them so SDs must go

[Thinkingabout]

9. YES

[CajunBlazer]

4. If it were not for the super delegates, Sanders would be defeated....

... well before the convention and everyone would know it. Think about it, in a two person race without super delegates someone would definitely win before the convention.

Sanders has to win 67% to 33% (a margin of 34%) in every remaining contest just to pull even with Hillary in pledge delegate count. In every state that he doesn't win by that margin, Sanders has to win by in every remaining state by a still higher margin.

In fact, as I am writing this Sanders has a better chance of flipping some of super delegates than he does of winning the pledged delegate race, and I can assure you, neither of those two things are going to happen and Sanders and his campaign know it.

And soon his supporters will know it as well and his contributions, which have already slowed, will be shut down almost completely. Candidates drop out of races, not because of lack of will to continue, but because they have no money left to pay for travel and their campaign staff. However, I expect Bernie to keep just enough money back to take his campaign into the convention where he will lose on the first ballot. The only drama will be which state will be the one to put Hillary over the top.

[Thinkingabout]

8. Good points, it is not going to flip to him, maybe the Bird lied.

[CajunBlazer]

32. The bird's innocent, I can vouch for him

He says he he was misunderstood and misinterpreted.

[Thinkingabout]

34. True, maybe he was told it was time to fly away.

[George II]

10. I've calculated this every way they've proposed - winner take all, proportional, "landslides"....

...etc. He loses every time.

[TwilightZone]

11. Which is why they've moved on to trying to steal delegates any way they can.

I think they've done the math, too.

[Cha]

13. Yeah, and that is why he's leading them on..

still.

[CajunBlazer]

33. He has to lead them on Cha

Otherwise they will quit sending him money and his campaign will have to close down.

[Cha]

35. Yeah.. that's going to be

a great day in the history of politics.. 'cause you know they will have to.. someday.

Some are getting clues now.. like Charlie Pierce.. I hope more and more do even while he's faking it.. Shut it down before he's ready.

[Cha]

12. Raise your hand.. who's tired of the Whine from one bernie sanders.. because he lost?

Mahalo TwilightZone~

[George II]

14. .

[Cha]

18. It goes on an on.. forever!

Started way too early and he won't stop... wouldn't take a bet that it does someday.

G~

[nini]

16. His 'moaning' is so boring

[Cha]

22. So grateful I don't have to hear it.. only read about.. so that's something.

Oh right.. "the moaning" he was projecting.. I bet he thinks he's so clever.

nini

[TwilightZone]

17. As many have mentioned, I think it's more about the movement now than the campaign.

Unfortunately, the movement is cutting off its nose to spite its face.

[Cha]

23. Imv, it's about the campaign funds and hurting the Dem party and Hillary..

there's too much evidence to suggest otherwise.

[TwilightZone]

25. Certainly possible.

Though, in their minds, it's all the same thing. They're saving us all by "destroying" Hillary and the Democratic Party.

[Cha]

26. Yeah, they're full of it, too.

[BlueMTexpat]

28. Very tired of the whine!

I also note that the Sanders campaign seems to think that caucuses - the most undemocratic method of all (b/c SDs have ALWAYS in the end backed the candidate who received the majority of pledged delegates) - are OK.

It's only when Bernie loses that something is wrong with the system. There's another candidate like that ... and it's not Hillary.

[Cha]

30. Yeah, and the moaning over that is atrocious.. everything is rigged but the ones that BS

won?!

I think more and more people are noticing how much he Whines.. so that's a good thing. Finally!

Blue~

[lunamagica]

15. ...

[Historic NY]

20. Its been in place since 1982...

Sanders has only been a Democrat in name only since last yr.

[TwilightZone]

21. Nothing ever happened before he starting running for president.

Just ask his supporters. They'll tell you.

[LiberalFighter]

24. I am beyond disgust of Sanders.

Someone needs to run against him when he is up for re-election in Vermont.

[still_one]

27. The super delegates will go with whoever has the most pledged delegates. That isn't un-Democratic

Bernie.

The person who get the most votes and most pledged delegates will get the super delegates. That is the way it has been for decades. Rules don't change, just because you are losing

You have had your 15 minutes of fame, time to go back to Vermont

[BlueMTexpat]

29. When Bernie and his campaign start

challenging caucuses as undemocratic, I might possibly believe that they mean what they say.

But the only caucuses they've challenged - and in some very nasty ways - are those they've lost, e.g., NV and IA. But especially NV.

It doesn't make sense for SDs to support the candidate who can't even win the majority of pledged delegates OR the popular vote at the primary stage. But Bernie-logic, like Bernie-math - is reality-challenged.

[underthematrix]

31. This is so ridiculous except to the angry crowd

The candidates agreed to DNC nominating rules. It would be highly unethical to change the rules mid stream. Bernie is a sore loser and this is a verifiable fact. I think the Rules Committee should switch to closed state primaries. Party members, like me should not have our vote diluted by indies or republicans. I think Bernie should have gone with a third party bid, start a new party, the Progressive party. I think that would've been great. He didn't do it because he didn't have the resources or people skills to get it done.

If republicans had a process like ours that includes both pledged and superdelegates, they wouldn't be stuck with NAZI Trump.

[TwilightZone]

36. Agreed

If you don't want to play by the rules, don't agree to them and then decide you don't like them after all when everything isn't going your way.

And don't apply them selectively to only the situations where they would help you, ignoring the ones where things went your way. I only want open primaries in states that'll help me. And caucuses are undemocratic, except the ones I win. We should follow the will of the people unless the people's will is for my opponent. Then, the hell with the people's will.

Pretzel logic.