Just be aware, multiple hides could get you Flagged for Review.

[Fla Dem]

That what happened to MaggieD, Bravenak, cosmicone, KMOD, DanTex and geek tragedy.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1107&pid=132702

Interesting post and Skinner's response in Ask the Admnistrators:

sheshe2 (30,396 posts)
Sun May 15, 2016, 12:30 AM

Question.

KMOD, MaggieD, Bravenak, Geek Tragedy, Cosmicone, DanTex, Upaloopa, all still FFR! Some for a month or more. You know what they have in common, they are Hillary supporters. Why are you doing this?

You let the trolls run freely on this board and in our jury system. You allow hides to stand from trolls that are zapped minutes later. You allow them to stand on jury, yet you let that right be taken from us by said troll with our hide.

Hillary and DEMOCRATIC bashing is allowed! You have allowed this to become Bernie Underground where the loser reigns and the winner is silenced.

One more thing, you are allowing every RW link to stand here. You have turned your head, we got that. Message received loud and clear. I have no clue why you spentmthe money on Disscusionist, they are here.

Hey, Skinner, what are you going to do when Hill wins, the troll and Bsers leave and those of us as Hill supporters stay in the new homes we found? We do have new homes now, we support Democrats there.


Skinner (61,611 posts)
Mon May 16, 2016, 10:21 AM
1. You know what else they have in common?

I stuck my neck out and gave a blanket amnesty to all the people who were suspended on five hides, and when those people on your list got their second chance they all chose to double-down on their bad behavior.

And they aren't the only ones. We've got a bunch of Bernie supporters sitting on Flagged For Review status also. Of course they aren't on your list because they don't fit your narrative.

Yes, I get that the system is stacked against Hillary supporters. But that doesn't change the fact that there are plenty of toxic people on both sides of the Hillary/Bernie split.

Allow me to be perfectly clear: The current system of moderating here on DU is done. It completely failed, and I take full responsibility for that. Yes, we are still using it, but we have already signed its death warrant. We have a completely new system and we are going to insist on some standards.

The only reason we haven't unveiled the new system yet is because the primaries are the worst possible time to make a change like that -- the people who don't like the new system (and there will be plenty of them) would frame their opposition as a partisan act in support of their favored candidate, and all the rabid partisans on their side would believe it. People on both sides are so polarized and so primed to believe any story that puffs up their candidate and tears down the other that it would be impossible to make any serious change and make it stick.

Once the primaries are over, we are all on the same side again. Anyone who isn't on the same side was never supposed to be here in the first place. And anyone who persists in disrupting this site -- no matter what side they're on -- will no longer be welcome. (I added the bold.)

I think Skinner tried his best to give everyone a chance to be heard when he did away with the 5 hides time out. I agree, as he points out, some took advantage of his permissiveness and went hell bent for election. But he couldn't prevent targeted attacks on some of our more outspoken DUer's who were alerted on inconsequential posts. And then because a certain group out numbered another, their posts were unjustly hidden.

In another ATA Q&A (which I can't find now) a question was asked along the lines of "why, if a person has a 80-100% chance of being on a jury they are never chosen for Jury duty."

Skinner's answer was, and I'm paraphrasing, "if it is determined that a person is developing a pattern of abusing the jury process to hide opposition comments when there is nothing wrong with the comment, they will be blocked from being able to serve on juries. No notice will be given, and nothing will show up on their profile page in the "Jury" section to indicate they have been blocked."

The primaries are almost over. If we can keep it together a little longer, hopefully we'll see a new DU emerge with the same values of the old DU that we all respected.

[sharp_stick]

1. I think his patience is being stretched

I can't wait for the end of the primaries and some hopefully dramatic changes.

[kstewart33]

2. I think we all can't wait until the new system is unveiled, hopefully on June 8.

And that includes a number of Bernie supporters who have remained silent rather than join the fray in GD-P.

Skinner sounds totally fed up.

[liberal N proud]

3. Sounds like Skinner is ready to stick a fork in it

He can see all and has tried to allow the process to work.

When the jury system was introduced, I always tried to be impartial with my review of the alert when I served on a jury. I tried to look at everything in context and even look at the string of the conversation at times. It's been so long since I have served do to several things including somehow I always have a hide in the last 90 days. Funny how that has happened.

As I always try to say, keep it civil.

[nini]

4. the jury system is a joke

That's the hardcore truth. You can't expect fair results when a certain group doesn't take the task seriously and just gets back at those they don't agree with. I've served on juries and let stuff stand even if I thought it was juvenile and it was against what I feel. But I also know every little stinking thing is not hide worthy.

He lost control of this place years ago and is now paying the price.

[LexVegas]

5. Look at the hides on my transparency page and compare them to what is allowed to stand by Sanders...

supporters every day. There is no moral equivalency there. It is the tyranny of the majority.

[ismnotwasm]

6. One thing I've noticed

Is Hillary supporters and the Sanders people use almost the same language to describe the jury system and the state of Democratic Underground. We have somewhat differing opinions of each other, neither very flattering. Some things are the same. We've both use terms such as "delusional" or "desperate"--(I've trashed GD-P, I assume that term "desperate" is no longer in play for Sanders supporters, but you know what they say about assumptions)

This is bothersome when one is the overwhelmingly outnumbered party, but I think it is what Skinner sees.

I don't agree with him regarding the posters named here, because we have worse posters who get away with posts what would be considered divisive flame bait at one time over and over, as well as posts from RW sites, conspiracy theory sites, who sit on the side of the majority--but it's not my web site.

[wryter2000]

7. I cannot wait

for the day when all the anti-Dem crap is deleted. I can't wait to hear the squealing and verbal chair throwing, and then they'll go back to Naderland or Libertarianville or wherever they came from.

Edited to add: And then Bernie supporters and Hillary supporters can join forces to defeat Trump.

I'm ordering the and

[GusBob]

8. sheshe brings up some good points that he does not address

RW sources and trolls specifically. How are HRC supporters to blame for standing up to them? Its only up to us I guess

just recently a poster was bounced as a repeat troll after posting a RW smear and getting over 130 recs. This should not be allowed to happen on a Democratic Forum. How did this repeat troll get by MIRT? WHY did this repeat troll get by MIRT?

There are not plenty of toxic people on both sides. By simple logic one side as way more. Standing up for yourself and fighting back against unfair odds is not wrecking or abusing a system. It is standing on your own 2 feet. This past spring one by one folks were knocked down and off juries and bounced out.

I will not castigate the HRC supporters whom are on FFR. They got screwed. We, all of us, have been getting screwed since the used car salesman days.

Its bullshit, especially all the RW attacks and trolls. Complete bullshit

[NurseJackie]

9. It's a mixed bag, and it's confusing ...

I stuck my neck out and gave a blanket amnesty to all the people who were suspended on five hides, and when those people on your list got their second chance they all chose to double-down on their bad behavior.

He's basically admitted multiple times in various responses throughout ATA that the current jury system is broken, easily abused, and allows individuals to be targeted by a mob.

Well, good ... I'm glad to hear that.

But this "second chance" and "double-down" wording seems odd and from my point of view, it appears to be blaming the targeted individual/s for simply showing-up and posting "I'm voting for Hillary. Have a nice day."

I readily admit that "doubling-down" is vague and offers no specifics regarding any details about their camel-back-breaking offense ... and perhaps they actually did say something truly awful.

But since we already know that these targeted individuals had many posts hidden which shouldn't have been hidden, it seems fair to ask if they were AGAIN unfairly targeted, and again having their posts unjustly hidden.

In another thread, someone took the time to research the "final posts" of many of these individuals. I wonder what could be revealed by examining their final posts to see if there was anything that actually should have been hidden. It could be that I'm entirely wrong and mistaken about the whole thing in spite of how awful it looks.

(Alerter: These are my personal opinions based on my personal observations.)

[Fla Dem]

10. The link with the last post of those FFR folks is in the top post here.

[NurseJackie]

11. Thanks, I hadn't clicked it ... I thought it as a link to the original ATA question.