Skinner, from ask the admins "You know what else they have in common?"

[Agnosticsherbet]

You know what else they have in common?

I stuck my neck out and gave a blanket amnesty to all the people who were suspended on five hides, and when those people on your list got their second chance they all chose to double-down on their bad behavior.

And they aren't the only ones. We've got a bunch of Bernie supporters sitting on Flagged For Review status also. Of course they aren't on your list because they don't fit your narrative.

Yes, I get that the system is stacked against Hillary supporters. But that doesn't change the fact that there are plenty of toxic people on both sides of the Hillary/Bernie split.

Allow me to be perfectly clear: The current system of moderating here on DU is done. It completely failed, and I take full responsibility for that. Yes, we are still using it, but we have already signed its death warrant. We have a completely new system and we are going to insist on some standards.

The only reason we haven't unveiled the new system yet is because the primaries are the worst possible time to make a change like that -- the people who don't like the new system (and there will be plenty of them) would frame their opposition as a partisan act in support of their favored candidate, and all the rabid partisans on their side would believe it. People on both sides are so polarized and so primed to believe any story that puffs up their candidate and tears down the other that it would be impossible to make any serious change and make it stick.

Once the primaries are over, we are all on the same side again. Anyone who isn't on the same side was never supposed to be here in the first place. And anyone who persists in disrupting this site -- no matter what side they're on -- will no longer be welcome.

I am stepping back, again, from DC-P. It will be over by June 7.

[Agschmid]

1. Yup.

[savalez]

2. At the very least

I am glad he admits his jury system is a failure. From day one I called it Jury Lotto.

[Agnosticsherbet]

4. The Founding fathers called a system like that "Tyranny of the Majority."

50.00001% can force the remaining 49.00009% to do anything.

[Cha]

8. Wow.. I just used those words in my post.. that's the way I feel about it without

seeing this.

[savalez]

9. Smart bunch those FF's.

[TwilightZone]

16. Hence, the electoral college.

My dad likes to say that as bad as the electoral college seems at times, it's there because the FF knew that the public at large couldn't be trusted to not be stupid.

[Treant]

3. This...doesn't follow.

The system is broken, but we won't fix it because correcting a known problem will annoy people.

Honey, that's by definition, and it's going to be true no matter when you do it.

But you already acknowledged that one camp (the one I happen to be in, so I could be a bit biased) is disadvantaged. The refusal to fix the acknowledged issues simply allows that disadvantage to continue.

My personal, and rather cynical, read of this is that the current kerfluffle is fairly lucrative and nobody really cares if it costs thoughtful posters who are on the "wrong" side of the mob anything.

It's not making me feel all that positive about the future of DU...but it's also eroding my level of concern enough that I don't really care any more. If Skinner wants to make this bed, he can then lie in it--without my monetary support.

[Agnosticsherbet]

5. I intend to stick around and see what they replace the current system with.

If nothing else, it will be more pleasant when we are all on the same side.

[savalez]

7. +1

[Treant]

10. As will I

but my emotional investment here is seriously eroded.

[Stuckinthebush]

21. Me too

It's nasty now but I hope it gets better. GD-P is a pit of idiocy and nastiness. It must end.

[Cha]

6. Yeah, I hear that.. you should see two of the posts that were a Leave this morning by his

tyrannical majority, running the jury system, that just keeps going on and on and on.. ad nauseam.

They were against TOS but were a leave.. I reported them by the Abuse Alert.. but, who knows if that does any good or not?

[Treant]

11. Nothing visible

And minor, invisible consequences do nothing to quell the storm.

I haven't served on a jury in ages, so I presume the fact that I'm really down on Skinner has had some consequences. Or I simply spend less time here, on average, and don't get called. Whatever.

Like I said, my site-specific emotional attachment has faded a lot in the past six months.

[Cha]

17. It is a shame this site is losing so many really interesting, brilliant

people.

I just checked your profile and it said you have a 19% chance of serving on jury.. so that's why.. I wish he would do away with it and have mods who hid posts accordingly if we posted against the TOS.

[TwilightZone]

15. If they're going to leave "Hillary's women need men to think for them"

that's pretty much all I need to know about the current state of the jury system. But then, stuff like that or worse happens all day, every day now.

About all we can do is wait it out until June 8th (I hope) and see if the major changes that have been indicated actually happen.

[Cha]

18. This site has become a farce.. a shell of its former self.. I hate the way it's been dragged

down into sewer by those who post such crap and those who allow it to stand.

The tyrannical majority.

[Andy823]

20. I agree Cha

Some of the long time trolls have been banned, like Manny, but there are still a lot of his followers carrying on the business of trashing and bashing Democrats, the party and anyone here who is not one of them. We also have a ton of new bashers coming in every single day, and I will admit they are working both sides, but most of them like to claim they support Bernie, although I think a huge numberer of them are just plain trolls who don't want "any" Democrat to get elected in November.

[TwilightZone]

12. "Both sides are bad" doesn't really cut it if the sides are 85/15.

I agree with him that supporters of both candidates - well, really, all candidates for office - are guilty of abhorrent behavior, because that's just human nature. It's been like that as long as DU has been around and pretty much as long as politics has existed.

That being said, when one side is so overwhelming misrepresented in the equation and abhorrent behavior is selectively "moderated" by a jury system hilariously weighted to one side of the scale, the argument breaks down. But, really, Skinner knows this and has admitted it. He should have known, however, that letting the inmates run the asylum might be problematic.

I'm probably in the minority here, but I somewhat agree that it should be allowed to run its course until we have an official nominee. It's really a catch-22. Make the change now and the place goes insane. Let it go until June 8th and it continues its rapid burn, pun intended.

But then the hammer needs to come down, because we have a president to elect and a Congress to flip so she can govern without endless GOP obstruction.

[Cha]

19. Exactly! "Both sides are bad" doesn't really cut it if the sides are 85/15.

[Stuckinthebush]

23. Yeah. That made me cringe

It's BS.

[nini]

13. The 'Primaries are over' as far as the overall results. Shut down GDP and move on

Bernie can keep pissing and moaning all he wants. He can't and won't get the nomination and this waiting until June 7th is over is ridiculous.

[BootinUp]

14. Don't blame you. Peace. nt

[SharonClark]

22. He must not read the posts if he thinks 'both sides do it'

[BlueCaliDem]

29. Yeah, that was a curious statement. IF the 15% side is doing it, it's because we're always attacked

with the meanest, most uncivil posts first.

In all fairness, we're merely defending ourselves.

I guess what the Admins want is for us to sit down and shut up when we're unfairly and unjustly attacked. The problem with this is, this gives the faux-Democrats supporting Sanders the illusion that we've been cowered. I see them crowing victory each and every time a Hillary supporter moves on from a discussion that's trending toward a nasty and vile shouting match.

They should institute the new rules now since the primaries are pretty much over and we already have a Democratic winner. Far too much leeway is given Sanders supporters on each and every site that doesn't have a strict moderation system.

[Lil Missy]

24. This is encouraging. n/t

[LiberalFighter]

25. I appreciate that they have reconsidered the jury system.

Skinner is trying to do what is right. He had a difficult decision to make as to when to implement it. I believe he is right.

[SunSeeker]

26. Thanks for bringing this to light.

Very disappointed to see Skinner make the false equivalence argument about the two camps, but looking forward to a change after the primary.

[liberal N proud]

27. I have only stuck my nose in there a couple of time in the last 3 months.

Each time gets ugly one way or another.

If they can't come up with anything intelligent, they just start calling you names or making fun of your username. Just not a good situation.

But if you have poked the bear in GD-P, they will come out and try and scratch your eyes out wherever you are. All my hides have been outside of GD-P.

[Coolest Ranger]

28. When I saw how hostile

bernie supporters were towards Hillary supporters, I trashed Bernie Sanders Group and I trashed the General Discussion Primaries. Then I trashed any other group that was trending Bernie sanders.

[enid602]

30. chaos

Skinner's wrong. The system isn't broken, buo the Party is. Chaos 2016.

[Lil Missy]

31. Skinner is not responsible for fixing your perceived problems with the Party.

Good gawd, such ridiculously and impossibly high and unrealistic expectations.