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Surya Gayatri

(15,445 posts)
Wed May 18, 2016, 09:53 AM May 2016

Larry Sabato's analysis (CNN) of Sanders' failings: "Bernie is a loner in the Senate and in DC.

His only supporter in the Senate is Jeff Merkley of OR.

The downside of being a "lone wolf" is that you don't interact well with others. And, that character flaw is now damaging the Democratic Party."


Allowing this loose cannon to exploit and abuse the Dem Party will prove to have been a major tactical error, I fear.

Watching his enraged, spitting face, I feel as if I'm observing someone in the throes of nervous breakdown. Not a reassuring vision.
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Larry Sabato's analysis (CNN) of Sanders' failings: "Bernie is a loner in the Senate and in DC. (Original Post) Surya Gayatri May 2016 OP
Sanders is a Narcissist.... FarPoint May 2016 #1
In love with HIS own ideas...and his "revolutionary" persona. Surya Gayatri May 2016 #2
Has goals, no plan or clue as to ever actually accomplish them. FarPoint May 2016 #4
a major tactical error. stonecutter357 May 2016 #3
Why would anyone support a presidential candidate who cannot interact with others? Koinos May 2016 #5
Yeah, you'd think that interpersonal skills would be a sine qua non for the job. Surya Gayatri May 2016 #6
Unfortunately, the constitional requirements are minimal. Koinos May 2016 #8
Their respective ego-driven campaigns, stump styles and demagogic tendencies have Surya Gayatri May 2016 #12
Both appear to be suffering from anti-social personality disorder. Koinos May 2016 #15
When you hear some of their voters' insanity, you have to say, "like candidate, like supporter". Surya Gayatri May 2016 #20
I remember early on, when we were counseled to distinguish the noble Sanders from the bad followers. Koinos May 2016 #25
Like is attracted to like. Birds of a feather, and all that... Surya Gayatri May 2016 #27
Except for the little bird, who was really looking for water and not for Bernie. Koinos May 2016 #31
He is a raptor trying to bring down his prey, the Democratic Party. Surya Gayatri May 2016 #34
I agree. Koinos May 2016 #51
^^^WORD^^^! Surya Gayatri May 2016 #53
Well said sarae May 2016 #35
Your're right. Koinos May 2016 #50
It is to be successful in the job SharonClark May 2016 #46
Truth! " Sanders doesn't know how to disagree without being disagreeable." Surya Gayatri May 2016 #47
Definitely not fun to be with. Koinos May 2016 #54
Yes, we've seen this on display far more than we ever needed or wanted to.. Cha May 2016 #7
Just 3 more weeks (21 days) and I'm counting! LOL! Surya Gayatri May 2016 #9
Yeah, that's all he is.. is a Cha May 2016 #13
Early in the campaign, when I still supported O'Malley, I said that Sanders was a demagogue. Koinos May 2016 #19
The very definition of a demagogue. Cha May 2016 #23
I think that, unless Sanders cleans up his act, Merkley will stop supporting him. Koinos May 2016 #11
Yeah, Good point, Koinos.. who wants to be Cha May 2016 #16
Unlike Sanders, Merkley does want to play well with others. Koinos May 2016 #21
Right.. and I wonder if he's ever regretted getting on burnie's bandwagon? Cha May 2016 #24
Probably each and every day. Koinos May 2016 #28
Sorry.. LOL@your question.. Cha May 2016 #30
When the ship is going down, don't tie yourself to the mast. Koinos May 2016 #33
The same people who were clamoring for Warren to run because of her political savvy... TwilightZone May 2016 #44
Absolutely true. Koinos May 2016 #49
Especially when it has to be obvious by now that Bernie sarae May 2016 #38
Oh I know that.. Hillary & President Obama have both helped him Cha May 2016 #42
The constant anger in his voice and face is wearing. Who wants a President that portrays that riversedge May 2016 #10
He definitely appears close to some sort of breakdown. Koinos May 2016 #14
Just exhausting and excruciating. The horror! Hearing and seeing that Surya Gayatri May 2016 #17
Absolutely. Thanks Surya still_one May 2016 #18
Just what said on my post the other day....... Iamaartist May 2016 #22
The DNC will enact a rule Stuckinthebush May 2016 #26
With some sort of historical clause, i.e. "Member in good standing for no less than 12 months". Surya Gayatri May 2016 #29
I'd be ok with a three year rule! Stuckinthebush May 2016 #32
Split the difference and say "two years' of active membership". Surya Gayatri May 2016 #37
Deal Stuckinthebush May 2016 #39
LOL! The logistics would be tough, as I live in Europe! Surya Gayatri May 2016 #41
Even Merkley has said he should drop out before the convention if he's behind. TwilightZone May 2016 #36
Frankly, at this juncture, I believe he's beyond listening to anyone or anything Surya Gayatri May 2016 #40
As was written yesterday, Sanders thinks he *is* political legitimacy. KitSileya May 2016 #43
And, their cult-like, hero-worshipping followers are eerily similar as well. Surya Gayatri May 2016 #45
It's like watching Clint Eastwood talking to that damn chair, except it ain't funny. Tarheel_Dem May 2016 #48
Neither was Clint, except in a watching-a-train-wreck kind of way. TwilightZone May 2016 #52
Trust me, like most of the sane world, I was laughing at Clint no with him. He's the butt of jokes.. Tarheel_Dem May 2016 #55
The way he talks about himself in the third person? "Bernis Sanders thinks". Who talks like that? lunamagica May 2016 #56

FarPoint

(12,319 posts)
4. Has goals, no plan or clue as to ever actually accomplish them.
Wed May 18, 2016, 10:05 AM
May 2016

Hot air balloon place I guess. Lacks any concept of leadership. He's just a broken spoke in the wheel.

Koinos

(2,792 posts)
8. Unfortunately, the constitional requirements are minimal.
Wed May 18, 2016, 10:18 AM
May 2016

It is up to the voters to hire the most qualified person. Sad to say, many of them also lack interpersonal skills and do not get along well with others. So they think that being anti-social is something positive and inspiring. Same goes for the Trump camp.

 

Surya Gayatri

(15,445 posts)
12. Their respective ego-driven campaigns, stump styles and demagogic tendencies have
Wed May 18, 2016, 10:27 AM
May 2016

literally become indistinguishable from each other.

Opposite sides of the same counterfeit coin.

Koinos

(2,792 posts)
15. Both appear to be suffering from anti-social personality disorder.
Wed May 18, 2016, 10:29 AM
May 2016

How did this country end up with any candidates like this?

Koinos

(2,792 posts)
25. I remember early on, when we were counseled to distinguish the noble Sanders from the bad followers.
Wed May 18, 2016, 10:41 AM
May 2016

We were told that Sanders is a decent and good man and will always take the high road, even though some of his followers seemed to be quite abusive, mean, and uncivil.

Now we find out the real truth, that his followers simply imitated their role model.

Koinos

(2,792 posts)
31. Except for the little bird, who was really looking for water and not for Bernie.
Wed May 18, 2016, 10:50 AM
May 2016

I am ashamed of myself. When I thought of a bird landing on Bernie's podium, the image of a vulture just popped up in my head.

 

Surya Gayatri

(15,445 posts)
34. He is a raptor trying to bring down his prey, the Democratic Party.
Wed May 18, 2016, 10:54 AM
May 2016

I'm now convinced that, like any rabid revolutionary, his abiding philosophy is: "You must destroy it in order to 'mend' it."

Koinos

(2,792 posts)
51. I agree.
Wed May 18, 2016, 05:34 PM
May 2016

I had almost gotten the image of a vulture out of my mind -- red face, bent neck, long flapping wings (Bernie?).

Now, I've got to deal with the raptor image. "Feeling the raptor" sounds more painful than "feeling the bern." There is something so final about it.

Revolutionaries have the mistaken idea that, if you demolish everything, some good things will grow back. The truth is, things are destroyed and people die. There is no simple reboot of a dead system. What you get is a dead system with dead people in it.

I think that our aim is to try to make things better, rather than worse. Total destruction is never an improvement.

sarae

(3,284 posts)
35. Well said
Wed May 18, 2016, 10:54 AM
May 2016

That's exactly what happened. And he can't take any responsibility for the "movement" he's created. Can you imagine this guy as President? He's already failed this most basic of tests for a candidate. If he can't handle his followers, how would he handle the most powerful nation in the world? He would be a walking disaster.

Koinos

(2,792 posts)
50. Your're right.
Wed May 18, 2016, 05:24 PM
May 2016

If he were president, nothing would be his fault. He would blame everyone else for his blunders. That's not a sign of maturity, and it would be especially catastrophic for a president.

A president has to have more than a list of idealistic goals. He or she has to have character. Hillary has that. Bernie does not.

SharonClark

(10,014 posts)
46. It is to be successful in the job
Wed May 18, 2016, 11:43 AM
May 2016

Sanders lacks social skills and his fans appear to lack them also. They get in a rage that Hillary is civil to people she disagrees with. Sanders doesn't know how to disagree without being disagreeable.

That is no way to go thru life.

Koinos

(2,792 posts)
54. Definitely not fun to be with.
Wed May 18, 2016, 06:03 PM
May 2016

I get a whole different feeling when I see Obama joking and laughing with other people. He likes people. Bernie finds them an unpleasant necessity.

Cha

(297,123 posts)
7. Yes, we've seen this on display far more than we ever needed or wanted to..
Wed May 18, 2016, 10:16 AM
May 2016

I can't even imagine why Sen Merkley is supporting him.

I found BS intolerable before his statement on the violence and misogyny in Nevada and now.. well let's just say.. I think he's his own worst enemy and burnie sanders will get what he deserves.

Thank you, Surya~

 

Surya Gayatri

(15,445 posts)
9. Just 3 more weeks (21 days) and I'm counting! LOL!
Wed May 18, 2016, 10:23 AM
May 2016

Last night's deranged diatribe was the last straw. If I never have to hear him again in my lifetime, it will still be too often.

Odious, spiteful, spittle-spewing demagogue.

Koinos

(2,792 posts)
19. Early in the campaign, when I still supported O'Malley, I said that Sanders was a demagogue.
Wed May 18, 2016, 10:33 AM
May 2016

Many people disagreed with me about that. It turns out I was right all along. This is one time when I really hated being right.

Koinos

(2,792 posts)
11. I think that, unless Sanders cleans up his act, Merkley will stop supporting him.
Wed May 18, 2016, 10:25 AM
May 2016

Merkley has to go back to the Senate when this is all over. I don't think he will want to be known as the sole senator who supported the man who wanted to destroy the Democratic party. If he becomes the majority leader, Chuck Schumer isn't going to hand out awards to senators who were part of this debacle.

Koinos

(2,792 posts)
28. Probably each and every day.
Wed May 18, 2016, 10:44 AM
May 2016

And wasn't Elizabeth Warren wise to stay away from this disaster? I think she knew the "real" Bernie well enough to foresee where this was headed.

And whatever happened to Cornel West?

Cha

(297,123 posts)
30. Sorry.. LOL@your question..
Wed May 18, 2016, 10:47 AM
May 2016

which is a damn good one.

We didn't miss him but now that you mention it. wth did become of ol Cornel and his campaigning with burnie?

And yes, EW was wise!

TwilightZone

(25,456 posts)
44. The same people who were clamoring for Warren to run because of her political savvy...
Wed May 18, 2016, 11:20 AM
May 2016

were the ones complaining the loudest when she wouldn't endorse Sanders, not understanding that it was a perfect example of that political awareness.

sarae

(3,284 posts)
38. Especially when it has to be obvious by now that Bernie
Wed May 18, 2016, 11:00 AM
May 2016

wouldn't reciprocate or even appreciate his support. BS wouldn't go to bat for anyone; he only cares about himself, as has been shown many times over in the last 8 months.

Cha

(297,123 posts)
42. Oh I know that.. Hillary & President Obama have both helped him
Wed May 18, 2016, 11:05 AM
May 2016

in the past.. they must be especially fond of him by now. lol

riversedge

(70,184 posts)
10. The constant anger in his voice and face is wearing. Who wants a President that portrays that
Wed May 18, 2016, 10:23 AM
May 2016

image every day. Not me!

Koinos

(2,792 posts)
14. He definitely appears close to some sort of breakdown.
Wed May 18, 2016, 10:28 AM
May 2016

It might even happen at the convention, if he doesn't get his way. And he won't get his way.

A man who has frequent fits of anger is not "fit" to be president of the United States.

 

Surya Gayatri

(15,445 posts)
17. Just exhausting and excruciating. The horror! Hearing and seeing that
Wed May 18, 2016, 10:30 AM
May 2016

specter on a daily basis on the world stage!

Stuckinthebush

(10,843 posts)
26. The DNC will enact a rule
Wed May 18, 2016, 10:42 AM
May 2016

That one MUST be a Democratic Party member in good standing before being allowed to run in OUR primaries.

Stuckinthebush

(10,843 posts)
32. I'd be ok with a three year rule!
Wed May 18, 2016, 10:51 AM
May 2016

Be a Dem if you are going to run in our primaries. Not a new Dem but an established Dem.

 

Surya Gayatri

(15,445 posts)
37. Split the difference and say "two years' of active membership".
Wed May 18, 2016, 10:59 AM
May 2016

That would preclude the kind of overnight conversion we've seen with his "shotgun" candidacy.

 

Surya Gayatri

(15,445 posts)
41. LOL! The logistics would be tough, as I live in Europe!
Wed May 18, 2016, 11:02 AM
May 2016

But, I can let 'em know what I think even from here.

 

Surya Gayatri

(15,445 posts)
40. Frankly, at this juncture, I believe he's beyond listening to anyone or anything
Wed May 18, 2016, 11:01 AM
May 2016

but his own ballooning ego.

KitSileya

(4,035 posts)
43. As was written yesterday, Sanders thinks he *is* political legitimacy.
Wed May 18, 2016, 11:13 AM
May 2016

That makes it impossible for him to co-operate with anyone, because to co-operate you need to be considered equals. No one can be equal to Sanders if he thinks he is the only one with political legitimacy, nay if he thinks he is it. Any collaboration he has done in Congress or in the Senate has been because he thinks he either tricked them into it, or because he thinks that he forced them into it. He must be a seriously disturbed individual, and, as some have said, must have a very narcissistic personality. He is more Trump-like than we realized at first. The difference is that Sanders is narcissistic based on his political positions, while Trump is narcissistic on his masculinity.

 

Surya Gayatri

(15,445 posts)
45. And, their cult-like, hero-worshipping followers are eerily similar as well.
Wed May 18, 2016, 11:30 AM
May 2016
"He is more Trump-like than we realized at first. The difference is that Sanders is narcissistic based on his political positions, while Trump is narcissistic on his masculinity."


Also, for Trump, based on his bogus financial success. And, for Bernie, based on his self-styled moral superiority.

TwilightZone

(25,456 posts)
52. Neither was Clint, except in a watching-a-train-wreck kind of way.
Wed May 18, 2016, 05:41 PM
May 2016

That was one of the more bizarre political stunts I can recall.

Tarheel_Dem

(31,232 posts)
55. Trust me, like most of the sane world, I was laughing at Clint no with him. He's the butt of jokes..
Wed May 18, 2016, 06:08 PM
May 2016

now, and I fear when this is all over, so will BS, except BS will be as despised as Ralph Nader who gave us W.

lunamagica

(9,967 posts)
56. The way he talks about himself in the third person? "Bernis Sanders thinks". Who talks like that?
Wed May 18, 2016, 06:16 PM
May 2016

I know, royalty.

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