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Her Sister

(6,444 posts)
Thu May 19, 2016, 12:17 PM May 2016

I Supported Bernie Early and Late, But No Longer. by JoeCarl ~Daily Kos (HRC GP)

http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2016/5/18/1528279/-I-Supported-Bernie-Early-and-Late-But-No-Longer

I never was a “true” believer, but that’s a general principle. It leads to rationalizing irrational beliefs and behaviors. But I was a believer. Bernie’s message had been missing from Democratic politics for over a decade. It had been missing from the response to the graft and the greed that crashed the world’s economy. It promised to reverse the abandonment of unions and of the working poor, and it recognized the immorality of embracing Wall Street. It spoke to the base of the old Party, of the Party of people over profits, the Party that stood between us and predatory capitalism. And no part of that message was likely to come from Hillary Clinton. That it has, of late, is a tribute to Bernie’s candidacy.

But make no mistake: that message is restorative, for those too young to know, not revolutionary. I never liked the campaign rhetoric of revolution, and I was blind-sided by the extent to which it was taken seriously despite lacking substance. Nor is any part of the message even conceivable on the strength only of enthusiasm. That belief verges on a personality cult. Neither Hillary nor Bernie will accomplish anything if Democrats cannot take the Senate and cut the Republican margin in the House.

Still, the philosophy was right, and the policies were right. It’s just that, somewhere, the politics turned destructive. When victory, always so improbable, suddenly was both probable and close only to be lost the night New York was lost, and by a crushing margin, I still wanted him to stay in the race. I thought that was the only way to prevent Hillary, and the entire Party for that matter, from sliding back to the right. I did expect him to ease up on the Clinton attacks. That he did not was the first red flag. Since then, there have been ever bigger flags.

His attacks on Clinton sharpened even while Trump began using them himself and advertising himself as the natural destination for Bernie’s supporters. Bernie constantly attacks and condemns the Party even though the success of the Party would determine his success as a candidate let alone as a President. Ironically, he continues to attack the Party that he wants to lead while declaring that its own super-delegates are his somewhat ethereal path to victory. Now, he cannot even call his supporters to order without qualifications and excuses. What I see now is anything but leadership or statesmanship. It is not the behavior I would want in a President.

And the stakes, this year, could not be higher. Donald Trump can win this election. He has been given a gift of unimaginable import: he has won the nomination while we continue to fight. That both bestows an initial credibility while freeing him to work at expanding it. Establishment Republicans already are falling sheepishly in line, and Trump is moving with alarming speed to consolidate them, as with his release of potential Supreme Court nominees (a list that should terrify progressives and anyone not an ultra-conservative, religious zealot). And Trump can do such things 24/7. He has no beliefs, and he doesn’t care about anything. He will say whatever, whenever, and change it all in the afternoon.


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I Supported Bernie Early and Late, But No Longer. by JoeCarl ~Daily Kos (HRC GP) (Original Post) Her Sister May 2016 OP
Popcorn for everyone in the HRC GP Her Sister May 2016 #1
Love that popcorn! workinclasszero May 2016 #24
BYOB or BYOP or BYOD Her Sister May 2016 #25
Beer is the nectar of the gods workinclasszero May 2016 #26
This is becoming a common theme. n/t TwilightZone May 2016 #2
“But, but” you stammer, as I once did, “polls show Bernie does better against Trump.” Few of us..." Her Sister May 2016 #3
That a Good one, too.. that we knew to be true.. Cha May 2016 #5
Sanders never vetted: and He has lost: he has no grace lewebley3 May 2016 #6
I should have refreshed. haha TwilightZone May 2016 #10
Here it is right here... Cha May 2016 #4
Cha: you are right lewebley3 May 2016 #7
Glad to see these people wise up workinclasszero May 2016 #8
"Few of us will admit it, but we’ve gotten a free ride from the press... TwilightZone May 2016 #9
Yep, we've been saying for months! Watching their eyes glaze over or something! Her Sister May 2016 #13
But Trump can't beat him! TwilightZone May 2016 #19
Oh yeah! shenmue May 2016 #11
K & R Iliyah May 2016 #12
Bernie is unhinged. I half expect him to launch a 3rd party campaign. The_Casual_Observer May 2016 #14
JoeCarl was a rational Sanders supporter SharonClark May 2016 #15
Meh, while a valid dose of reality, this article is still riddled with nonsense. BobbyDrake May 2016 #16
Good point! You know the woman needs to be lectured and put in the right path by the men! Her Sister May 2016 #18
+1! nt BobbyDrake May 2016 #23
I thanked him. ismnotwasm May 2016 #17
Very thoughtful and well written OP. But I do disagree with Mr Carl when he says that skylucy May 2016 #20
Yes, I guess his supporters are not ready to see that yet! Her Sister May 2016 #22
I'm afraid sanders true intentions are being revealed and I know how beachbumbob May 2016 #21
This is definitely a trend liberal N proud May 2016 #27
Not me! the writer! Her Sister May 2016 #28
Of course liberal N proud May 2016 #29
 

Her Sister

(6,444 posts)
3. “But, but” you stammer, as I once did, “polls show Bernie does better against Trump.” Few of us..."
Thu May 19, 2016, 12:22 PM
May 2016
“But, but” you stammer, as I once did, “polls show Bernie does better against Trump.” Few of us will admit it, but we’ve gotten a free ride from the press and from the Republicans as well.



wow! REALITY!!!

http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2016/5/18/1528279/-I-Supported-Bernie-Early-and-Late-But-No-Longer

Cha

(296,875 posts)
5. That a Good one, too.. that we knew to be true..
Thu May 19, 2016, 12:27 PM
May 2016
“But, but” you stammer, as I once did, “polls show Bernie does better against Trump.” Few of us will admit it, but we’ve gotten a free ride from the press and from the Republicans as well.

Cha

(296,875 posts)
4. Here it is right here...
Thu May 19, 2016, 12:25 PM
May 2016
Bernie’s continued candidacy has become destructive of the Party and, increasingly, of himself. Good no longer can come from it. The primary was decided weeks ago. You may not like it, I certainly did not, but that is the reality. The Sanders’ campaign needed to adjust accordingly, and it adjusted oppositely. If Bernie cannot correct course, every one of his supporters eventually will need to work through for themselves what I worked through a few weeks ago. With stakes this high, you need to be ready.

"Bernie’s continued candidacy has become destructive of the Party and, increasingly, of himself. Good no longer can come from it"

So many have to be seeing this.. he's destructive to himself.. his own worst enemy.. I've seen this for so long now. sanders has been hurting himself more than anyone.

Mahalo, HS~

TwilightZone

(25,429 posts)
9. "Few of us will admit it, but we’ve gotten a free ride from the press...
Thu May 19, 2016, 12:28 PM
May 2016

and from the Republicans as well."

As most of us in the real world have been saying for months now. Head-to-head polls are completely meaningless when one of the candidates has yet to be vetted in any meaningful way.

 

Her Sister

(6,444 posts)
13. Yep, we've been saying for months! Watching their eyes glaze over or something!
Thu May 19, 2016, 12:49 PM
May 2016

Felt like it wasn't computing! Bernie not vetted! Therefore, polls totally meaningless!

 

The_Casual_Observer

(27,742 posts)
14. Bernie is unhinged. I half expect him to launch a 3rd party campaign.
Thu May 19, 2016, 12:50 PM
May 2016

He and his cult of followers seem to think he is some sort of messiah rather than what he is, an old geezer Eugene Debs wanna be.

 

BobbyDrake

(2,542 posts)
16. Meh, while a valid dose of reality, this article is still riddled with nonsense.
Thu May 19, 2016, 01:03 PM
May 2016
And no part of that message was likely to come from Hillary Clinton. That it has, of late, is a tribute to Bernie’s candidacy.


Sorry, no, Hillary Clinton was progressive before Bernie started running. It's ridiculous that even as she whoops him up, down, forwards, backwards, and sideways, there are still people trying to give HIM credit for HER success. Screw that noise.

I see this being a narrative the media is going to push hard, that "only Bernie made Clinton move left." She's already been left, for decades. Don't blame her or her supporters if you were too blinded by GOP talking points to notice.
 

Her Sister

(6,444 posts)
18. Good point! You know the woman needs to be lectured and put in the right path by the men!
Thu May 19, 2016, 01:18 PM
May 2016

Must listen to the men!

Even though she is brilliant, and super qualified, and has a long active life full of progressive chops!

The Independent Man's input and output is all that matters! He knows better!

I share your at little jabs like that!

Inside I think/feel: F.U.





ismnotwasm

(41,967 posts)
17. I thanked him.
Thu May 19, 2016, 01:12 PM
May 2016

I agree with him. I have a few friends who are die hard Sanders supporters--one has met Jane Sanders and Cornell West-- they are good people. I hope they see the light.

skylucy

(3,737 posts)
20. Very thoughtful and well written OP. But I do disagree with Mr Carl when he says that
Thu May 19, 2016, 01:34 PM
May 2016

Bernie is a better campaigner than Hillary. Campaigning isn't just about giving the same stump speech to a large group of people who have lost touch with reality and worship the candidate to the point of absurdity. Sanders does very poorly in interviews because he is thin skinned and not prepared to discuss anything that varies from his talking points. He gets annoyed and walks out of interviews. He blew the substantive interview with the New York Times. He runs away from reporters if they ask him anything that threatens his inflated ego. I've never been impressed with him in his debates with Hillary. Hillary is brilliant. Bernie... hmmmm. Not saying he is stupid but he is not of the caliber of Hillary or President Obama. OK, he is smarter than Trump...I'll give him that. To say that Bernie is a "better campaigner" than Hillary when he has gotten a free ride from the press and the GOP is rather naive.

Oops. Another rant...but I do agree with the rest of the OP!

 

Her Sister

(6,444 posts)
22. Yes, I guess his supporters are not ready to see that yet!
Thu May 19, 2016, 01:37 PM
May 2016

even the ones leaving camp BS right now!


 

beachbumbob

(9,263 posts)
21. I'm afraid sanders true intentions are being revealed and I know how
Thu May 19, 2016, 01:35 PM
May 2016

difficult it is for many liberals and progressives to accept that they may have been played....but Bernie so far...has done nothing to suggest he is going to the classy action...unlike Hillary in 2008..,,matter of fact...he is raising the rhetoric to higher levels and fanning the flames of his mob...and yes....it's a mob...Even if he wishes to prevent the chaos at the convention...he is such a weak leader...who has no control...accepts no responsibility and avoids accountability...it's mostly out of his hands....philly will be a disaster for democrats...brought to us by an angry old socialists....and his mob of discontents...

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