Hillary Clinton
Related: About this forumI Supported Bernie Early and Late, But No Longer. by JoeCarl ~Daily Kos (HRC GP)
http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2016/5/18/1528279/-I-Supported-Bernie-Early-and-Late-But-No-LongerBut make no mistake: that message is restorative, for those too young to know, not revolutionary. I never liked the campaign rhetoric of revolution, and I was blind-sided by the extent to which it was taken seriously despite lacking substance. Nor is any part of the message even conceivable on the strength only of enthusiasm. That belief verges on a personality cult. Neither Hillary nor Bernie will accomplish anything if Democrats cannot take the Senate and cut the Republican margin in the House.
Still, the philosophy was right, and the policies were right. Its just that, somewhere, the politics turned destructive. When victory, always so improbable, suddenly was both probable and close only to be lost the night New York was lost, and by a crushing margin, I still wanted him to stay in the race. I thought that was the only way to prevent Hillary, and the entire Party for that matter, from sliding back to the right. I did expect him to ease up on the Clinton attacks. That he did not was the first red flag. Since then, there have been ever bigger flags.
His attacks on Clinton sharpened even while Trump began using them himself and advertising himself as the natural destination for Bernies supporters. Bernie constantly attacks and condemns the Party even though the success of the Party would determine his success as a candidate let alone as a President. Ironically, he continues to attack the Party that he wants to lead while declaring that its own super-delegates are his somewhat ethereal path to victory. Now, he cannot even call his supporters to order without qualifications and excuses. What I see now is anything but leadership or statesmanship. It is not the behavior I would want in a President.
And the stakes, this year, could not be higher. Donald Trump can win this election. He has been given a gift of unimaginable import: he has won the nomination while we continue to fight. That both bestows an initial credibility while freeing him to work at expanding it. Establishment Republicans already are falling sheepishly in line, and Trump is moving with alarming speed to consolidate them, as with his release of potential Supreme Court nominees (a list that should terrify progressives and anyone not an ultra-conservative, religious zealot). And Trump can do such things 24/7. He has no beliefs, and he doesnt care about anything. He will say whatever, whenever, and change it all in the afternoon.
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Her Sister
(6,444 posts)workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)Her Sister
(6,444 posts)Plenty of Popcorn!
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)TwilightZone
(25,429 posts)Her Sister
(6,444 posts)wow! REALITY!!!
http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2016/5/18/1528279/-I-Supported-Bernie-Early-and-Late-But-No-Longer
Cha
(296,875 posts)lewebley3
(3,412 posts)TwilightZone
(25,429 posts)Great minds and all that.
Cha
(296,875 posts)"Bernies continued candidacy has become destructive of the Party and, increasingly, of himself. Good no longer can come from it"
So many have to be seeing this.. he's destructive to himself.. his own worst enemy.. I've seen this for so long now. sanders has been hurting himself more than anyone.
Mahalo, HS~
lewebley3
(3,412 posts)workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)I hope it's not too late.
TwilightZone
(25,429 posts)and from the Republicans as well."
As most of us in the real world have been saying for months now. Head-to-head polls are completely meaningless when one of the candidates has yet to be vetted in any meaningful way.
Her Sister
(6,444 posts)Felt like it wasn't computing! Bernie not vetted! Therefore, polls totally meaningless!
TwilightZone
(25,429 posts)They aren't too big on context.
shenmue
(38,506 posts)Iliyah
(25,111 posts)The_Casual_Observer
(27,742 posts)He and his cult of followers seem to think he is some sort of messiah rather than what he is, an old geezer Eugene Debs wanna be.
SharonClark
(10,014 posts)Who remains rational. We like Sanders supporters like that.
BobbyDrake
(2,542 posts)Sorry, no, Hillary Clinton was progressive before Bernie started running. It's ridiculous that even as she whoops him up, down, forwards, backwards, and sideways, there are still people trying to give HIM credit for HER success. Screw that noise.
I see this being a narrative the media is going to push hard, that "only Bernie made Clinton move left." She's already been left, for decades. Don't blame her or her supporters if you were too blinded by GOP talking points to notice.
Her Sister
(6,444 posts)Must listen to the men!
Even though she is brilliant, and super qualified, and has a long active life full of progressive chops!
The Independent Man's input and output is all that matters! He knows better!
I share your at little jabs like that!
Inside I think/feel: F.U.
BobbyDrake
(2,542 posts)ismnotwasm
(41,967 posts)I agree with him. I have a few friends who are die hard Sanders supporters--one has met Jane Sanders and Cornell West-- they are good people. I hope they see the light.
skylucy
(3,737 posts)Bernie is a better campaigner than Hillary. Campaigning isn't just about giving the same stump speech to a large group of people who have lost touch with reality and worship the candidate to the point of absurdity. Sanders does very poorly in interviews because he is thin skinned and not prepared to discuss anything that varies from his talking points. He gets annoyed and walks out of interviews. He blew the substantive interview with the New York Times. He runs away from reporters if they ask him anything that threatens his inflated ego. I've never been impressed with him in his debates with Hillary. Hillary is brilliant. Bernie... hmmmm. Not saying he is stupid but he is not of the caliber of Hillary or President Obama. OK, he is smarter than Trump...I'll give him that. To say that Bernie is a "better campaigner" than Hillary when he has gotten a free ride from the press and the GOP is rather naive.
Oops. Another rant...but I do agree with the rest of the OP!
Her Sister
(6,444 posts)even the ones leaving camp BS right now!
beachbumbob
(9,263 posts)difficult it is for many liberals and progressives to accept that they may have been played....but Bernie so far...has done nothing to suggest he is going to the classy action...unlike Hillary in 2008..,,matter of fact...he is raising the rhetoric to higher levels and fanning the flames of his mob...and yes....it's a mob...Even if he wishes to prevent the chaos at the convention...he is such a weak leader...who has no control...accepts no responsibility and avoids accountability...it's mostly out of his hands....philly will be a disaster for democrats...brought to us by an angry old socialists....and his mob of discontents...
liberal N proud
(60,332 posts)And we welcome you to this side.
Her Sister
(6,444 posts)Right? Lol
I have been on HRC's camp since 2008! Maybe even earlier!