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Sparkly

(24,149 posts)
Thu May 19, 2016, 10:05 PM May 2016

As just heard on Rachel -- more DNC concessions to BS?

To 'keep him in the tent'? Possibly seats on a platform committee...

(Let's see, $12 vs. $15/hr minimum wage, so they'll say $13.50?? Is this a sticking point?!?)

He's not in the tent. He didn't want to be to begin with. He's still wielding influence, getting in the way of what he says he champions, and apparently he isn't going to endorse Clinton with the same graciousness she endorsed Obama, and therefore can have a tantrum if the DNC doesn't pacify him.

Never EVER thought I could think so little of Sen. Sanders.

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As just heard on Rachel -- more DNC concessions to BS? (Original Post) Sparkly May 2016 OP
He really is being jerky lately. apcalc May 2016 #1
He will take the month of June and most of July to come down from his rally high. upaloopa May 2016 #2
Seems he's having his influence now, Nader-Style. Sparkly May 2016 #3
He hasn't stopped his disparaging remarks about the DNC and his statement Thinkingabout May 2016 #4
Look at it another way. If he's negotiating DNC concessions, then he's more acquainted with reality TwilightZone May 2016 #5
Agreed. nt. BootinUp May 2016 #6
There's more... He made threats. Sparkly May 2016 #8
He's always made threats. lol TwilightZone May 2016 #11
I wouldn't be surprised if there were already some contigences like BootinUp May 2016 #13
That would make sense. TwilightZone May 2016 #18
Which is why I said that he's lying to his supporters.... Liberal_Stalwart71 May 2016 #12
Oh, we all know he's lying to his supporters. lol. He's been doing it since Super Tuesday. TwilightZone May 2016 #15
Sanders needs to keep those $27 donations rolling in. riversedge May 2016 #31
But, he's still not telling his fans.. what kind of person doesn't do that? Cha May 2016 #14
I think he doesn't know how. TwilightZone May 2016 #16
He could start by not dissing Hillary because she's telling her supporters the truth. Cha May 2016 #19
Agreed. Her comments about the race being over are accurate. His assertion that he could have the TwilightZone May 2016 #20
His is a little beyond "arrogance".. more like Cha May 2016 #21
But he has great judgment 6chars May 2016 #29
And for supporting the regime change policy that led to it - twice. TwilightZone May 2016 #32
And nobody reads the stupid party platforms bluestateguy May 2016 #22
Ironic, isn't it, that reading a piece of paper is Sanders idea of progress SharonClark May 2016 #24
TwilightZone, interesting take! Makes sense! Her Sister May 2016 #23
He better do a damn good job of supporting Hillary WhiteTara May 2016 #7
Don't expect miracles. nt Walk away May 2016 #28
Well here is another link on this ...... Iamaartist May 2016 #9
So we as Democrats have to cave in to threats? leftofcool May 2016 #10
It's the new "socialist democracy." Sparkly May 2016 #17
Is he going to drop out with these concessions? liberal N proud May 2016 #25
Message auto-removed Name removed May 2016 #26
Make him head of the Department of Derigulation BeyondGeography May 2016 #27
WashPost: & Raw Story--> DNC to offer Sanders a convention concession riversedge May 2016 #30

upaloopa

(11,417 posts)
2. He will take the month of June and most of July to come down from his rally high.
Thu May 19, 2016, 10:10 PM
May 2016

If he wants any influence in the Senate he will have to mend fences.

Sparkly

(24,149 posts)
3. Seems he's having his influence now, Nader-Style.
Thu May 19, 2016, 10:12 PM
May 2016

He's holding the small-d democratic process of the Big-D Democratic party HOSTAGE.

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
4. He hasn't stopped his disparaging remarks about the DNC and his statement
Thu May 19, 2016, 10:15 PM
May 2016

About the job mentality in Nevada has not happened, he needs to get it together.

TwilightZone

(25,456 posts)
5. Look at it another way. If he's negotiating DNC concessions, then he's more acquainted with reality
Thu May 19, 2016, 10:19 PM
May 2016

than he's telling his supporters. It means that he really does know it's over and is getting what he can.

From a big picture perspective, if it takes a couple of minor concessions to make him shut the hell up about fellow Democrats, drop out on the 8th, and rally behind Hillary, then I can't really complain about it too much. The sooner everyone focuses on November, the better.

Would I prefer he gets nothing? Sure, but he was always going to get something. That's kinda how we roll.

TwilightZone

(25,456 posts)
11. He's always made threats. lol
Thu May 19, 2016, 10:50 PM
May 2016

I get what you're saying, and I agree with it. That being said, I think we're into the political theater stage of the process where he whines, they make a few minor concessions, and he gets on the bandwagon.

It's a little unique that the person asking for the concessions is attacking the party and the organization he's negotiating with and not just his opponent, so I think he's going to face a little more resistance from the DNC than one normally would. I think, in the end, he'll probably get about what they wanted him to have in the first place. Which is not much, preferably.

BootinUp

(47,137 posts)
13. I wouldn't be surprised if there were already some contigences like
Thu May 19, 2016, 11:09 PM
May 2016

this offer depends on future statements from Sanders not being distorting or inflammable or some such language.

TwilightZone

(25,456 posts)
18. That would make sense.
Thu May 19, 2016, 11:21 PM
May 2016

He's really backed himself into a corner and if he really wants input into the platform and the convention, his tone has to change immediately. It remains to be seen if he's capable of that.

TwilightZone

(25,456 posts)
16. I think he doesn't know how.
Thu May 19, 2016, 11:19 PM
May 2016

Seriously. I think he doesn't have any clue how to shut this thing down. He's been flying by the seat of his pants for the past couple months and I think he has no exit strategy.

TwilightZone

(25,456 posts)
20. Agreed. Her comments about the race being over are accurate. His assertion that he could have the
Thu May 19, 2016, 11:35 PM
May 2016

majority of pledged delegates at the end of the primaries is nonsense. He's just lying to himself and his supporters.

Yet, he (and they) sees one as optimism and one as arrogance. Guess what? He's right, he's just got it in the wrong order.

TwilightZone

(25,456 posts)
32. And for supporting the regime change policy that led to it - twice.
Fri May 20, 2016, 10:18 AM
May 2016

Funny how memory becomes selective.

bluestateguy

(44,173 posts)
22. And nobody reads the stupid party platforms
Fri May 20, 2016, 04:08 AM
May 2016

So throw him a few bones on the platform that nobody will read. Fine. Johnny has some nice consolation prizes for you.

SharonClark

(10,014 posts)
24. Ironic, isn't it, that reading a piece of paper is Sanders idea of progress
Fri May 20, 2016, 08:04 AM
May 2016

Although the platform is important because it sets the goals for the party, few people read it or feel the need to follow it. The platform has been pro-choice for a long time but that doesn't mean you're kicked out of the party if you're anti-choice.

Sanders' idea of governing is to hand people a copy of the platform and then say, "Look how progressive I am and if you don't agree with me then your are a corporatist, war-mongering billionaire!". No mention of what he actually accomplishes toward the goals in the platform.


WhiteTara

(29,699 posts)
7. He better do a damn good job of supporting Hillary
Thu May 19, 2016, 10:22 PM
May 2016

when she cinches the nomination. I expect to hear great speeches by him about how great she is and will be for the country.

liberal N proud

(60,334 posts)
25. Is he going to drop out with these concessions?
Fri May 20, 2016, 08:47 AM
May 2016

NO, he has no intentions of dropping out. They will give him the farm and he will still burn it down.



Response to Sparkly (Original post)

BeyondGeography

(39,367 posts)
27. Make him head of the Department of Derigulation
Fri May 20, 2016, 08:52 AM
May 2016

So he can eliminate all forms of rigging. Maybe leave The Alabama Rig alone because it's the Deep South and it doesn't matter.

riversedge

(70,182 posts)
30. WashPost: & Raw Story--> DNC to offer Sanders a convention concession
Fri May 20, 2016, 09:04 AM
May 2016



DNC to offer Sanders a convention concession


https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics ... story.html



Supporters of Democratic presidential candidate Bernie Sanders at the Nevada State Democratic Party’s convention in Las Vegas. Tension erupted between organizers and supporters. (Chase Stevens/Las Vegas Review-Journal via AP)
By Abby Phillip and Anne Gearan May 19 at 10:36 PM

In an attempt to head off an ugly conflict at its convention this summer, the Democratic National Committee plans to offer a concession to Sen. Bernie Sanders — seats on a key convention platform committee — but it may not be enough to stop Sanders from picking a fight over the party’s policy positions.

Allies of both Clinton and Sanders have urged Democratic leaders to meet some of Sanders’s more mundane demands for greater inclusion at the Philadelphia convention. Their decision to do so is expected to be finalized by the end of the week, according to two people familiar with the discussions. But growing mistrust between Sanders supporters and party leaders have threatened to undermine that effort.

Even with the committee assignments, Sanders plans an aggressive effort to extract platform concessions on key policies that could prompt divisive battles at a moment when front-runner Hillary Clinton will be trying to unify the party. Among other issues, he plans to push for a $15 national minimum wage and argue that the party needs a more balanced position regarding Israel and Palestinians, according to a Sanders campaign aide who requested anonymity to speak candidly.

Much like their view that the economy has been “rigged” to benefit the wealthy more than the middle and working classes, Sanders supporters have become increasingly convinced that national Democrats have stacked the political deck with rules that have made it difficult for Sanders to win enough delegates to threaten Clinton’s nomination. ......................

Party leaders, meanwhile, have grown more frustrated with Sanders, who they say has unfairly fueled that perception.

“I don’t think they’ve handled it very well and I think they’ve lost the moral high ground on this,” said Ken Martin, chairman of Minnesota’s Democratic-Farmer Labor Party. “It’s very clear now that the longer they stay in this race the more damage they’re doing.”

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I posted this elsewhere also.............





Lets see--DWS agreed to add MORE Sanders memberss (3 already agreed on)--to a 15 member committee!!--or Sanders will blow up the Convention is my reading!!!



http://www.rawstory.com/2016/05/dnc-wil ... es-report/

DNC will put Bernie Sanders supporters on key national convention committees: report

Arturo Garcia

19 May 2016 at 22:01 ET

Bernie Sanders during the Democratic presidential debate on January 17, 2016 (Screenshot)


The Democratic National Committee (DNC) agreed to add more supporters of Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT) to the committee writing the party’s platform, and could do the same for two committees at the party’s national convention, the Washington Post reported.

Committee chair Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz (D-FL) reportedly agreed to add more Sanders backers to the 15-person drafting committee, after initially appointing three to the group. Sanders, who currently trails former Secretary of state Hillary Clinton in the race for the party’s presidential nomination, had asked for each candidates to have seven supporters on the committee, joined by a “neutral” appointee from Wasserman Schultz.

According to the Post, Sanders also demanded that more of his supporters be placed on convention committees covering credentials and rules, saying that his campaign would take the matter to the convention floor in July otherwise.

Minnesota Democratic-Farmer Labor Party chair Ken Martin, who is supporting Clinton, told the Post that he and several state party leaders urged Wasserman Schultz to meet the demands.

“There are other chairs who probably feel that way and feel like this is my party and f*ck Bernie Sanders,” Martin said. “I’m not one of those. I feel very passionately that we have to open up that party and make sure that those voices are heard.”

The Post reported that negotiations regarding the committee positions could be finalized this week, ................a bite more.


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