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Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin

(107,919 posts)
Mon May 23, 2016, 08:24 PM May 2016

Hillary Clinton Did the Smart Thing By Turning Down a Fox News Debate In California

This probably doesn't even need to be said, but just in case, let it be known that Hillary Clinton's decision to turn down a debate against Bernie Sanders ahead of the California primary is a smart one. Sanders had already agreed to what would have been, one would hope, the final Democratic debate of the election season, to take place on Fox News. Fox had issued an invitation to both candidates; Sanders jumped at the chance to once again square off against his rival.

But Clinton simply doesn't need to debate Sanders any more. She's already made it almost mathematically impossible for him to win and a new poll puts her way ahead of the Vermont senator in the delegate rich state of California. This thing has been over for some time, but as of June 7th it will absolutely be over -- and Clinton will emerge the victor. Besides that, she's already faced down Sanders in nine separate debates so it's unlikely she'd win any new ground because of anything she or Sanders had to say in response to Fox News's moderators.

What's more, with the Sanders campaign now going total scorched earth against Clinton and the Democratic Party -- accusing the former of being simply the "lesser of two evils" when compared to Donald Trump, and the latter of being corrupt simply because Sanders isn't winning -- there's no sense in giving Sanders a clear face-to-face target in front of a national audience. Clinton knows that there's nothing to gain by allowing herself to stand on a stage and be harangued for two hours by a guy she's going to beat anyway. Her appearance and her willingness to endure Sanders's sustained attacks in person would just lend those attacks legitimacy.

When Sanders agreed to the invitation from Fox News last week, the campaign said that “Californians deserve to hear what both candidates have to say on important issues confronting the state and the country.” Except that by now Californians are well aware of what the candidates stand for and how they'll confront the issues. Again, they've had an entire primary season and nine televised debates to make up their minds. It's a safe bet that not a damn thing is going to change at the 11th hour.

http://thedailybanter.com/2016/05/clinton-turns-down-fox-news-debate/

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Hillary Clinton Did the Smart Thing By Turning Down a Fox News Debate In California (Original Post) Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin May 2016 OP
Just did that post its a good thing,,,,, Iamaartist May 2016 #1
Perfect little article! Yep! Right decision! Her Sister May 2016 #2
She has nothing to gain in a debate with Sanders. procon May 2016 #3
If Sanders has not presented himself by now another debate is not going to help him. Thinkingabout May 2016 #4
Oh Yeah! We all said NO WAY.. and we were exactly on the same page as Hillary! BS has Cha May 2016 #5
Not to mention madamesilverspurs May 2016 #6
One wonders why bernie wishes to give cover to fox news and its toxic agenda - hint hint - his $ is msongs May 2016 #7
Talk about a sell out. nt anotherproletariat May 2016 #13
Exactly right! LiberalFighter May 2016 #32
For such a Jamaal510 May 2016 #8
Good move. brer cat May 2016 #9
The Pope of Purity helping primary sitting members of congress can debate an empty chair. n/t fleabiscuit May 2016 #10
Bernie's only goal is to bring down our party along w/ Hillary. Hillary won't give him that chance. grossproffit May 2016 #11
She should offer up a debate at Burlington College ... LannyDeVaney May 2016 #12
LOL fleabiscuit May 2016 #14
DUzy! SunSeeker May 2016 #19
OMG. Starry Messenger May 2016 #31
Massive K & R. Thanks for posting. Surya Gayatri May 2016 #15
When the news came out about fox news offerring another debate I wrote to her suggesting still_one May 2016 #16
The mere fact that Bernie and Fox skylucy May 2016 #17
Why would she acquiesce to the sore loser. eom UtahLib May 2016 #18
I so agree. This primary is over. Dems should be attacking Trump, not each other. nt SunSeeker May 2016 #20
"Smart", as in "My word ain't worth merde." Fly by night May 2016 #21
Yes she did. It would have been an exercise in futility. Fla Dem May 2016 #22
Totally agree! nt LAS14 May 2016 #23
They should be more upset that their candidate is allowing himself to be used as a tool by Fox News TwilightZone May 2016 #24
You're probably right about Clinton making the right decision, Stevepol May 2016 #25
A debate moderated by FOX would be designed to make campaign ads to destroy Democratic candidates Agnosticsherbet May 2016 #26
BS has gone the way of the dodo. Primarily by being a dodo. Squinch May 2016 #27
It was an ambush, obviously. Bernie keeps forgetting that the LOSER doen't set the terms, Lil Missy May 2016 #28
Yes, BS and Fox thinking they were being so clever! Her Sister May 2016 #29
That was a trap set by Fox. Kingofalldems May 2016 #30

procon

(15,805 posts)
3. She has nothing to gain in a debate with Sanders.
Mon May 23, 2016, 08:38 PM
May 2016

He probably had some delusions that a debate would prop up his staggering campaign, but he's still a loser.

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
4. If Sanders has not presented himself by now another debate is not going to help him.
Mon May 23, 2016, 08:44 PM
May 2016

After losing nine debates I would think the tenth one is not going to help. He could do another NYDN interview, maybe he could get the right answers.

Cha

(297,138 posts)
5. Oh Yeah! We all said NO WAY.. and we were exactly on the same page as Hillary! BS has
Mon May 23, 2016, 08:48 PM
May 2016

lost .. he gets no more time to wag his finger @ Hillary.

msongs

(67,394 posts)
7. One wonders why bernie wishes to give cover to fox news and its toxic agenda - hint hint - his $ is
Mon May 23, 2016, 09:02 PM
May 2016

running out

Jamaal510

(10,893 posts)
8. For such a
Mon May 23, 2016, 09:08 PM
May 2016

"principled" candidate, it's ironic to hear about Bernie's eagerness to debate on FOX News. I'm glad HC turned the invitation down. That was a smart move.

grossproffit

(5,591 posts)
11. Bernie's only goal is to bring down our party along w/ Hillary. Hillary won't give him that chance.
Mon May 23, 2016, 09:41 PM
May 2016

She has more class in her toe nail clippings than he has in his entire body.

still_one

(92,134 posts)
16. When the news came out about fox news offerring another debate I wrote to her suggesting
Mon May 23, 2016, 11:35 PM
May 2016

that there is absolutely no need for another debate. People know where the candidates stand, and it would only be a waste of time

skylucy

(3,739 posts)
17. The mere fact that Bernie and Fox
Tue May 24, 2016, 12:48 AM
May 2016

News got together to pull this stunt should tell us everything we need to know about BS and his motives.

Fla Dem

(23,650 posts)
22. Yes she did. It would have been an exercise in futility.
Tue May 24, 2016, 09:41 AM
May 2016

BS would just circle back to his "millionaire and billionaires" "the 1% versus the 99%", "the system is rigged" "free college" "$15 minimum wage", all fine goals, but where's the beef Bernie? No details, no foreign policy and until just recently, no real immigration reform.

Why with HRC all but locked in for the nominee, would she want to be excoriated by FOX News vipers that just want to tear her down? Great decision.

TwilightZone

(25,464 posts)
24. They should be more upset that their candidate is allowing himself to be used as a tool by Fox News
Tue May 24, 2016, 04:46 PM
May 2016

than about this debate or lack thereof.

Stevepol

(4,234 posts)
25. You're probably right about Clinton making the right decision,
Tue May 24, 2016, 05:21 PM
May 2016

but some of your points are not quite accurate it seems to me.

For example, you have this to say,

"What's more, with the Sanders campaign now going total scorched earth against Clinton and the Democratic Party -- accusing the former of being simply the 'lesser of two evils' when compared to Donald Trump, and the latter of being corrupt simply because Sanders isn't winning"

I don't think Sanders is going "scorched earth" and I don't think he "accused" Hillary of being "the less of two evils." I think I saw the interview you are apparently referring to and Bernie was remarking on the fact that both Hillary and Trump have very high unfavorability ratings among voters. Bernie was simply saying that "voters" shouldn't have to vote for the candidate that they (the voters) perceive as the lesser of two evils.

Nevertheless, it does look like Hillary will become the nominee, and I will vote for her, hoping with all my heart that she will keep us out of more wars and do all she can to help the 99%.

Agnosticsherbet

(11,619 posts)
26. A debate moderated by FOX would be designed to make campaign ads to destroy Democratic candidates
Tue May 24, 2016, 05:29 PM
May 2016

Sanders should know that by now.

Lil Missy

(17,865 posts)
28. It was an ambush, obviously. Bernie keeps forgetting that the LOSER doen't set the terms,
Tue May 24, 2016, 05:32 PM
May 2016

the WINNER does. He can make Hillary a sandwich.

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