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workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
Thu May 26, 2016, 09:52 AM May 2016

This Is How a Revolution Ends

This Is How a Revolution Ends
The Democratic insurgent’s campaign is losing steam—but his supporters are not ready to give up.
MOLLY BALL 6:00 AM ET

SANTA MONICA, Calif.—This is how a revolution ends: its idealism tested, its optimism drained, its hope turned to bitterness.

But then again, according to the official narrative, the primary is already over. Also according to the delegate count, which has Sanders’s opponent, Hillary Clinton, just 78 short of the 2,383 it takes to win the nomination. Also according to the Democratic voters, some 3 million more of whom have supported Clinton than Sanders over the past four months of voting. And also according to Clinton, who told CNN the other day, “I will be the nominee.”

But in the world Sanders’s supporters inhabit, this is all so much media manipulation. “Do you trust the media?” asked one of his introducers, the television host Cenk Uygur. “No!” yelled the crowd. “Do you believe they’ve treated Bernie Sanders fairly?” “Fuck the media!” yelled someone standing near the press riser. (Sanders was also introduced by two actors, Dick Van Dyke and Rosario Dawson.)

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/05/bernie-sanders-clinton/484439/
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Cha

(297,154 posts)
1. Hilary VS the Disingenuous Whiners. If they were winning
Thu May 26, 2016, 09:56 AM
May 2016

nothing would be "rigged" .. it would be perfect like Caucuses.

Thank you, working.

yallerdawg

(16,104 posts)
3. 'A separate reality.'
Thu May 26, 2016, 10:11 AM
May 2016
Carlos Castaneda.

The Sanders movement has become impervious to reality. Some have even called into question the nature of reality itself: “Bernie Sanders’ ‘political revolution’ is political only inasmuch as thought is political,” a self-described “metamodernist creative writer” named Seth Abramson wrote in the Huffington Post a few days ago. “By the very nature of things—we might call it perceptual entropy—the impossible, once perceived, enters a chain of causation whose natural conclusion is realization.” By this logic, Abramson reasons, Sanders is actually winning. It’s, like, the Matrix, man, or something.


 

workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
5. Crazy stuff
Thu May 26, 2016, 10:21 AM
May 2016

If you think it enough and say it enough it become true?

Hey does that work on the lottery? Because I can perceive myself winning it.

 

KittyWampus

(55,894 posts)
16. It's very similiar to the NeoCon's version of their manufactured reality vs. reality-based community
Fri May 27, 2016, 12:19 PM
May 2016
Reality-based community is an informal term in the United States, used to refer to people who base their opinions more on observation than on ideology or doctrine—that the people rely on their observation of reality instead of seeking to shape reality in the image of their plans. The term has been defined as people who "believe that solutions emerge from judicious study of discernible reality." It can be seen as an example of political framing.

The source of the term is a quotation in an October 17, 2004, The New York Times Magazine article by writer Ron Suskind, "Faith, Certainty and the Presidency of George W. Bush," quoting an unnamed aide to George W. Bush (later attributed to Karl Rove[1]):

The aide said that guys like me were "in what we call the reality-based community," which he defined as people who "believe that solutions emerge from your judicious study of discernible reality." ... "That's not the way the world really works anymore," he continued. "We're an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality. And while you're studying that reality—judiciously, as you will—we'll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that's how things will sort out. We're history's actors…and you, all of you, will be left to just study what we do."[2]
 

workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
11. You got that right!
Fri May 27, 2016, 11:01 AM
May 2016

Sander's and his backers tried as much as they could to disenfranchise, marginalize and take control of the party away from the Obama coalition but failed miserably thank God!

PoC and women basically saved the party and this old white guy was happy as heck to see it and be a tiny part of it!!

I'm so proud of democrats! I love you guys!

Obama picked up the shattered pieces of this country that Shrub and his stinking party destroyed and put us back together and now we will stop cold a republican demagogue monster from getting into the white house!

Cha

(297,154 posts)
12. "POC and women basically saved the party and this old white guy was happy as heck to see
Fri May 27, 2016, 11:23 AM
May 2016
it and be a tiny part of it!!"

Me, too! Cannot give them enough Props!

Obama picked up the shattered pieces of this country that Shrub and his stinking party destroyed and put us back together and now we will stop cold a republican demagogue monster from getting into the white house!

Exactly, working! burnie types never gave the President any credit for that.. now we know why.. It was about egos.. not our country and our Planet.






 

workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
13. And they never acknowledge the fact that the republican party fought to stop
Fri May 27, 2016, 11:38 AM
May 2016

President Obama from day one to, I'm sure, his last day in office! They blocked EVERYTHING the man wanted to do!

Many of them were willing to bring the entire government to a screeching halt and plunge this country and world into a mass panic just to stop O from helping the American people!

Then back benchers like Sanders who in all his years in government hasn't done jack squat sits back and criticizes the President and called for him to be primaried!

Here is a quote that fits from a great republican, no less. The kind that the present day republican party would expel in a heartbeat from their haters club.

“It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat.”


Theodore Roosevelt

Cha

(297,154 posts)
14. I love that quote.. it fits President Obama so well.. I didn't know it was Teddy Roosevelt
Fri May 27, 2016, 11:53 AM
May 2016

who said it, though.

"It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better."

We know exactly who that describes.

Thank you for that, working.. it's perfect.. Hillary just happens to be a woman who is in the arena doing the work.

 

workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
15. Yeah Teddy was the last good republican...well Eisenhower wasn't too bad I guess
Fri May 27, 2016, 12:05 PM
May 2016

but they totally went to hell after him and they ain't never coming back, for sure!

And yes the "man in the arena" applies to Hillary as well. She gets things done that's why the republicans fear and hate her.

Is she perfect? No but who in this world is? She is trying to make this a better country for all and I applaud her for that, she has my vote.

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