How pissed were you in June of 08?

[realmirage]

I was looking at GDP and its descent into madness, and as I was thinking about rebuttals to the many anti-Hillary threads, I had a nagging feeling that I can't judge these people harshly, because they reminded me a little of myself in 08 when Hillary was losing. I am not excusing the extreme "blow it all up" assertions; helping Trump in that way is incredibly self destructive. But deep down I see the humanness of their reaction. I also know that when they calm down, someday, they'll see this thing more clearly, as I do now. Some of them never will, and they aren't a true part of this process anyway. They exist only on the sidelines.

This last bit of clinging to the email "scandal," a classic anti-Clinton GOP imagined attack, is particularly sad to witness. It's the most focused on issue right now solely because it is their last hope of winning. And yet because of what's at stake, Sanders defeat, they can't see it was a GOP fake scandal all along.

What about you? What were you feeling in June of 08?

[BootinUp]

1. I was pissed at the caucus system and I feared a McCain/Palin Administration

As far as other things that happened in the campaign, I thought they were pretty standard types of occurrences in a close primary contest for President.

[LisaM]

5. Yes, I was upset at the caucus system too.

Ours was so awful that I actually went to Kinkos (didn't have a home computer at the time) and started a thread about the bullying and the unfairness of it! I then went home all pissed and my sister called me later that day and said that I'd gotten tons of responses and it made it to the Greatest Page (only time ever for me, I think!)

[BobbyDrake]

2. "those who fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it."

I get what you're saying, but as someone who took the time to learn from that campaign, and who supports the candidate who also took the time to learn from that campaign, I can't say I have much sympathy for the side who refused to even entertain the very idea that there was anything they didn't already know.

No one forced Bernie to run a version of 2008's losing campaign. He did that on his own.

[LisaM]

3. Not pissed, disappointed.

I think the only thing that bothered me - and this was more with my friends - was peoples' refusal to engage in any sort of reasoning about Obama's stance on the issues, which I thought were slightly to the right of hers. I also learned back then that the big "rock star" kind of rally is part of a campaign style that really turns me off. The other thing that annoyed me was that he'd promised to serve out a full term in the Senate and didn't and no one seemed to think that it mattered.

I was enormously disappointed and I'm sure I pushed back at times - mostly at the ageism, which was rampant then (don't see that so much now, eh? snicker!)

OTOH, I didn't start 10 threads a week trashing Obama. I knew that people responded to Obama's charisma and that they liked being part of an exciting movement (not my style, but so be it). I scarcely dared to hope Hillary would run again and I was thrilled when she did, but I never thought the attacks would double down this time.

And I never, ever said I wouldn't vote for Obama and in fact never considered such an option.

[gwheezie]

4. I voted for Hillary in my 08 primary

I preferred her to Obama by a hair and went back and forth several times before I voted. So by the time Obama was nominated I was thrilled to be able to vote for him in the GE. I thought puma was ridiculous.

[Freddie]

34. I liked them both

And would have happily voted for either. Was a little disappointed that PBO did not choose HRC for his running mate, but Joe proved to be a great asset. As did she as S of S!

[geek tragedy]

6. I was a pretty strong supporter of Obama, so I was generally

not happy with Hillary during that time period.

But, I got over it. She showed grace and a team mentality after the voting was done. A bar I do not expect her opponent to clear.

[Cha]

21. Yeah, that's just the way it was.. but, Hillary had me @ the Convention..

[riversedge]

38. wonderful photo and video of Hillary putting Obama's name into nomination. I had

tears that day.

[Cha]

41. Me too.. we were all so Happy!

[NurseJackie]

7. I wasn't pissed at all. I had supported Hillary originally, but when she didn't win ...

... the nomination, I supported Obama. It wasn't a difficult choice for me, and I certainly wasn't distraught over it. Maybe if I'd been active with an online forum like this one, I might have felt differently ... but I can't imagine being angry or wanting to do anything to maliciously harm the party or the party's nominee.

It must just be an online phenomenon ... I know several Sanders supporters and they are NOTHING at all like the typical ones encountered here. The ones I know are ordinary rational and reasonable people. They have their own reasons for supporting Sanders, but they aren't the angry and aggressive "Hillary-haters" who'd rather have Trump in order to "punish Democrats".

Bernie was their first choice, but they'll happily support the party's choice anyway. Online Bernie supporters are a very strange group of people.

Alerter: These are my personal opinions based on my personal observations.

[realmirage]

42. I've seen some Hillary haters bully people in the sanders

group who tried to be reasonable about the situation. Even regular BS supporters here are being terrorized by the fringe

[NurseJackie]

44. Sad but true.

[OKNancy]

8. I was for Hillary, but I wasn't pissed at all.

I liked Obama a lot. In fact, as I recall my feelings... the more I heard him the more I thought " OK, I can get behind him"

[ismnotwasm]

9. Not even a little bit

I wanted a Democrat.

[DemonGoddess]

10. I wasn't pissed at all

We had two great candidates that year, and the one I didn't support won. It didn't matter, because I liked him as well, and voted for him in the fall. I didn't see a reason to get angry over the FACT that he knew what to do about winning delegates. Obama ran a fantastic campaign, and deserved his win.

[Kaleva]

11. Not pissed one bit. I was going to vote for the nominee no matter who it was.

[Stand and Fight]

12. Disapppionted. Not pissed. What's the point of being pissed? Obama won fair and square.

[realmirage]

13. The responses here are in line with Sanders voters

Only about 20 percent are really pissed about Sanders defeat and hate Hillary. But Hillary had her PUMAs, none of them here today?

[anamnua]

20. I was an '08 PUMA nt

[realmirage]

22. What is your take on the BS hysteria in GDP? The ones who appear to have switched to the GOP?

[anamnua]

31. I can empathize with them up to a point

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from my '08 PUMAness.
However, in contrast to the Hill '08 campaign when we had legitimate reasons to feel screwed over, the Bernista outrage is all a mirage -- self-conjured and self-validated.
Mind you if you think the current GDP is bad you should have been around for the glory days of the '08 Clintonista/Obamabot spitefest; I still carry the scars!
What would really interest me would be a breakdown of the orientation (Hill or Bernie) during this primary cycle of the '08 Obama primary supporters.

[realmirage]

33. Imagine the BSers if they won Florida and the whole state was disqualified?

I think their heads would all simultaneously explode.

When you say orientation, what do you mean..

[anamnua]

45. Which of the two they support

By the way have any of the Bernistas in GDP actually said they would support Trump over Hillary -- as opposed to merely abstaining? If so that is an expellling offence.

[stopbush]

14. None. Because I backed Obama in 2008. In fact, I always seem to early on back the candidate

who ends up getting the Dem nomination.

Which is why I haven't lost any sleep worrying that Hillary wouldn't get the nomination - I picked her early this time and my track record is excellent.

[SharonClark]

15. Glad you're on Hillary's side!

[riversedge]

37. send some good Karma around.

[ProudProgressiveNow]

17. Disappointed....

but still worked to get Obama elected...

[anamnua]

18. I was aggrieved

by the Florida/Michigan disenfranchisement.

[realmirage]

23. That was a tough pill for sure, especially Florida

[LisaM]

25. That bothered me a lot, too.

Especially when people I was friends with got all up in arms about it, especially one whom I knew didn't like Hillary and frankly, I knew his anger stemmed from not wanting her to get votes. I still think it was wrong, but people move past it.

[realmirage]

26. When people must choose between principles and winning

human nature usually pushes people to choose winning. Your friend who wanted to disqualify Florida, if the shoe was on the other foot, guess what he'd be saying?

[LisaM]

27. I know (we were actually more attuned to Michigan, but both states had the problem).

People always say that they don't want Iowa and NH to have so much influence, but when anyone tries to actually change it, it's a dead end.

Well, that's water under the bridge now. Note Hillary didn't file a bunch of lawsuits, though, which Sanders certainly would have done (heck, if someone reminds him about it, he'll probably go file one now!)

[realmirage]

28. It's actually better that Hillary gets the job now, rather than playing clean up after Bush

And Michigan was a bit more controversial since BO wasn't on the ballot.. thank God that election is in the past

[SaschaHM]

19. I was disappointed at all.

I supported President Obama (couldn't vote in the primary/election due to age), but I wasn't mad that Hillary was still in the race. Her actions didn't bother me as much as Sanders are now.

[Starry Messenger]

24. I was an Obama supporter, but I was trying to heal some wounds.

I don't remember the exact date, but I teamed up with a few other Obama people and tried to mend some fences with folks. But it was nowhere near as insane then as it is now.

There are quite a few people here I used to respect that I will have a hard time trusting ever again, even if they calm down, tbh.

[realmirage]

29. I haven't seen any BS supporters have the balls to tell the extremists to pipe down

[bravenak]

30. I was undecided between the two and just did not caucus

I felt like the folks who had a serious committment to the candidates should fight it out. She said some stuff that pissed me off, I was going to vote for her. Then he pissed me off so I couldn't decide. I get pissed off easily. But I was happy to vote AGAINST my governor being VP.

[book_worm]

32. I supported Obama so I was fine

[Hekate]

35. Not pissed at all. I had a choice between TWO History-Making Democrats!

It doesn't get better, in my mind.

[riversedge]

36. I was more sad as I had campaigned for

Hillary in my state. But I was so proud of her when she put all aside and nominated Obama (still sad). Then I canvassed for him in the fall.


Seems so long ago. So much has happened and changed in the US and the world.

[sarae]

39. I wasn't pissed at all

I didn't vote in the primary – I honestly couldn't decide between them because I liked them both, so I was fine with whoever won. And I was so excited about Obama in the months before November, and thrilled after the election.

Maybe I don't remember because I didn't pay nearly this much attention to the 2008 primary, for the above reasons, but I don't remember this much nastiness. I know everyone says it was awful! But the way Hillary really rallied behind Obama once he won the nomination is something I just can't see Sanders doing.

Speaking of '08 – can you imagine if Hillary had gone around Obama and tried to set a debate up between her and McCain? She would have been CRUCIFIED. I'm really angry at what BS has done – even if there ends up being no debate, the optics of what he's done is HORRIBLE.

[realmirage]

43. Apparently behind the scenes

He is assuring the DNC he is going to endorse Hillary, and all this stupidity of his is him trying to gain more leverage in the negotiations over the platform. He knows bc of his age this is his last hurrah so he's trying to do as much as possible to get any leverage. Honestly it is ruining his image.

[sarae]

47. I keep hearing that he's saying that stuff behind the scenes

but then he publicly makes these disrespectful gestures. I don't know what to believe. Either way, it certainly doesn't publicly promote party unity, so I'm not sure what he's trying to do...

[realmirage]

50. You ever seen an old lady go off

on the manager of Safeway because the deli sliced her turkey too thick? Yeah it's one of those kind of deals

[sarae]

52. LOL

In other words, he's petty as f'k because it's all trivial BS.

SO TRUE.

[Nonhlanhla]

40. The only one I was annoyed by was Hillary, LOL.

For not getting out of the race when it became clear she was not going to win, and for some of the things she had said. I was a huge Obama fan. But Hillary won me over at the convention, and this time around I started supporting her fairly early on (after an initial start of being neutral). And now I'm far more annoyed at Bernie for not getting out or at least toning things down - this time around the winner is far clearer, and his aggression in his attacks on her is far worse than anything she ever did. And I'm skeptical about his ability to be gracious in defeat like Hillary was back then.

[peggysue2]

46. I was pissed

I was a Hillary supporter on 2008 and was pissed at the way things went down. I got over it. What I never could understand were Hillary supporters who became pissed at Hillary when she agreed to serve as SOS. And stayed pissed as if she had betrayed some secret handshake or sold her soul to the enemy.

That being said, I believed then as I believe now that she'll make an outstanding President. She's proven her loyalty to the Democratic cause and worked tirelessly for President Obama. I'm betting her first 100 days will be historic in scale. She's had a long time to think and plan her vision for the country's renewal. Can't wait until she's able to start initiating. And when I get to say, "Thank you, Madame President."

[NastyRiffraff]

48. Another one disappointed, not pissed

I strongly supported Hillary in that primary. But I always said that I would vote for Obama in a heartbeat if he won the nomination, and I did. Hillary's concession speech and behavior at the convention went a long way towards moving the more stubborn to vote for Obama. Plus, between Obama/Biden and McCain/Palin there was no contest.

Note: I love Obama now! I never hated him, but I think he's been a great president.

[MattP]

49. I loved them both but voted for Obama

Half my family went for Hillary this time we are all with her in Cali, and my friend voted first time in the primary for her today by mail

[ronnykmarshall]

51. I was sad.

Not pissed at all.

I was ready to get behind Obama.