Hillary Clinton
Related: About this forumWhy Clinton does not need all 2,383 delegates solely from pledged delegates.
Clinton does not need over 600 pledged delegates beyond what she already has (1770). DNC rule states...
C. Order of Business
7. Roll Call for Presidential Candidate:
b. A majority vote of the Conventions delegates shall be required to nominate the presidential candidate.
There are 4,765 pledged and unpledged delegates. The winner needs 2,383 delegates and it does not have to be all pledged delegates. Pledged and unpledged delegates are a subset of all delegates. Just as DNC members, Party Leaders, and congress members are a subset of the unpledged delegates. So it doesn't matter if unpledged delegates are part of the 2,383. If they all 2,383 had to be from the pledged delegates why would unpledged be needed????
And for those that say unpledged delegates don't count until the convention the same applies for pledged delegates. But before the convention we know how the pledged delegates will vote and we will also know how the unpledged delegates will vote or that are uncommitted per DNC rules.
There is no DNC rule that prohibits unpledged delegates from declaring their preference. Otherwise, the over 500 unpledged delegates that have already declared would be in violation. This is what Seth Abramson is saying over at Common Dreams. Facebook Link
There is a rule that states:
C. Presidential Preference:
Ten (10) days after the completion of the states delegate selection process, each states Democratic Chair shall certify in writing to the Secretary of the Democratic National Committee the presidential preference (including uncommitted) of the states delegates.
Her Sister
(6,444 posts)Needing the Supers to reach the needed number to get the nomination? I heard this, I believe...
LiberalFighter
(50,888 posts)They are claiming that the majority must be only from pledged delegates but the majority is of all delegates. Both pledged and unpledged. It would had been even more difficult under that criteria in 2008 because there were 852 unpledged delegates instead of 741 now and there were fewer pledged delegates in 2008 (3,566) than in 2016 (4,051). They would need 2,209 in 2008 which is 61.9% of pledged delegates. 2016 percent is 58.8%
BlueCaliDem
(15,438 posts)him over the top.
I just posted a post about this below.
fleabiscuit
(4,542 posts)yallerdawg
(16,104 posts)When they are applied to Hillary!
Same standards, please! 2,383! That's it!
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)For Sanders. Now if Hillary has to have her required delegate count in pledged delegates, this would be a rigged system.
BlueCaliDem
(15,438 posts)https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Results_of_the_2008_Democratic_Party_presidential_primaries
In the end, Senator Obama had 1,828 1/2 pledged delegates and Hillary Clinton had 1,726 1/2. It were the Superdelegates who pushed Senator Obama over the 2,117 needed.
Are we now to assume that since he didn't have 2117 pledged delegates in 2008 when he came to the Convention that he's been an illegitimate Democratic president? Because that's what Sanders is selling to his supporters who appear not to know any better.
LiberalFighter
(50,888 posts)within 10 days of final selection process. If they haven't decided they would be uncommitted otherwise they are for Clinton or Sanders.
George II
(67,782 posts)LiberalFighter
(50,888 posts)I created this post because of what I read on Facebook. And challenged the writers.
TwilightZone
(25,464 posts)The only way that some of them can continue the narrative is if they pretend to be ignorant. Some of them are pretty obvious that it's intentional.
George II
(67,782 posts)...that Sanders is a candidate, but rational people without personal gain on the line?
TwilightZone
(25,464 posts)These are the same people who think the SDs are going to switch from the clear leader in the race to the runner-up just because he's such a nice guy and he's ahead in a few meaningless polls.