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BlueCaliDem

(15,438 posts)
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 12:48 PM Jun 2016

Jane Sanders on MSNBC this morning, saying that news media are NOT allowed to say

that there is already a Democratic nominee. Andrea should've asked what's keeping the tax returns and if she had any comment on Burlington College's dire financial woes.

Chris Cilliza says that it's disingenuous to say that there's no nominee because neither have enough pledged delegates, and that the Sanders camp "made that up".

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Jane Sanders on MSNBC this morning, saying that news media are NOT allowed to say (Original Post) BlueCaliDem Jun 2016 OP
So, her searches of their attic and basement did not result in found tax returns. tonyt53 Jun 2016 #1
We'll never know because Andrea Mitchell was too busy allowing the woman to pontificate and LIE BlueCaliDem Jun 2016 #3
Watching reporters interview people can be so frustrating sarae Jun 2016 #23
2,383 is half of the total that includes superdelegates. The obvious losing side doesn't get to BobbyDrake Jun 2016 #2
Math is not their strongest suit - especially when it makes them look bad or look like they're BlueCaliDem Jun 2016 #5
Yep. Just checked. The 4,765 total delegates incl. pledged *and* unpledged (super) delegates. BlueCaliDem Jun 2016 #8
It is more than a bit on the arrogant side brer cat Jun 2016 #4
I would bet the parameters were set in advance of the "interview" pandr32 Jun 2016 #6
Then the question would be, why did they allow it? Why did Andrea allow any conditions to be set BlueCaliDem Jun 2016 #7
Simple answer: there must be a horse race!!!!! displacedtexan Jun 2016 #24
Jane is so full of it workinclasszero Jun 2016 #9
Which suit @ msnbc passed on their mantle to let jane sanders call the shots? Cha Jun 2016 #10
I'm asking that same question, Cha. Can you recall when it was the last time @msnbc had Bill Clinton BlueCaliDem Jun 2016 #14
No, it's burnie burnie jane burnie burnie jane, burnie burnie jane, burnie jane sanders... crammed Cha Jun 2016 #15
And may I also note... HillareeeHillaraah Jun 2016 #39
Mon Dieu! Both Sanders must have failed math on the way to the revolution SharonClark Jun 2016 #11
Well, considering the math Jane used that's now bankrupting Burlington College, there's a case to be BlueCaliDem Jun 2016 #12
WTF? Andrea didn't ask Jane about their tax returns or Burlington College? SunSeeker Jun 2016 #13
Not a word! You'd think she'd take that opportunity once Jane came out of her hiding place. But no. BlueCaliDem Jun 2016 #19
So Jane Sanders gets to set journalistic rules? NastyRiffraff Jun 2016 #16
jane and bernie saying something that is patently false and goes against beachbum bob Jun 2016 #17
"nov 8 will be a great celebration for america electing our first female president" BlueCaliDem Jun 2016 #18
Hugs and kisses! Her Sister Jun 2016 #21
Hugs and kisses back, HS! BlueCaliDem Jun 2016 #25
I drove my employer into bankruptcy and all I got with this lousy 6 figure payoff msongs Jun 2016 #20
Well, if you did that!? Not cool! Her Sister Jun 2016 #22
I know, HS! Were it Hillary rather than Jane, the M$M would be crucifying her as we speak! BlueCaliDem Jun 2016 #27
When we get to the next chapter! Don't worry Her Sister Jun 2016 #29
I take your point but Jane's not the candidate. If Bill did it, he'd not get a pass from the press! Rose Siding Jun 2016 #32
This is typical of them, of late DemonGoddess Jun 2016 #26
That's not socialism. That's autocracy! What about that don't his followers see or understand?? BlueCaliDem Jun 2016 #28
On wolf blitzer mercuryblues Jun 2016 #30
"he's won a number of races by large margins. By 70,75,82,86%." You forgot to add: in smaller States BlueCaliDem Jun 2016 #33
those were Jane's words mercuryblues Jun 2016 #35
lol. Sorry, mercuryblues. I thought those were your words. BlueCaliDem Jun 2016 #36
not a problem mercuryblues Jun 2016 #37
Thank you. BlueCaliDem Jun 2016 #38
his campaign attacked Boxer, too and she also has a high approval rating. He is going for broke DLCWIdem Jun 2016 #40
To better expose Jane Sanders and even Andrea Mitchell it might be better to use twitter LiberalFighter Jun 2016 #31
Thanks for the tip, LiberalFighter. I'll keep that in mind when tweeting. I didn't know this. :-) BlueCaliDem Jun 2016 #34

BlueCaliDem

(15,438 posts)
3. We'll never know because Andrea Mitchell was too busy allowing the woman to pontificate and LIE
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 12:58 PM
Jun 2016

to be bothered with asking where the tax returns are or trying to get her comment on the dire straits of Burlington College. I would've been more interested in that rather than her LYING that there isn't already a Democratic nominee and using that LIE that only pledged delegates count. Even so, Andrea should've then pointed out that Senator Obama never reached 2,117 with pledged delegates and he was still considered the presumptive nominee for the Democratic Party.

sarae

(3,284 posts)
23. Watching reporters interview people can be so frustrating
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 02:13 PM
Jun 2016

because there are so many follow-up questions they don't ask, like the ones you mentioned above.

Where are the tax returns, Jane? Why do you keep stalling on them? Why was it ok to call Obama the presumptive nominee, but not Clinton? Why does B.S. complain about the process being undemocratic but he's A-OK with undemocratic caucuses? So many questions...they've had it easy.

 

BobbyDrake

(2,542 posts)
2. 2,383 is half of the total that includes superdelegates. The obvious losing side doesn't get to
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 12:53 PM
Jun 2016

argue that the obvious winning side has to win with pledged delegates alone. Certainly not when there's literally no way in hell the obvious losing side is going to make it to 2,383 with pledged delegate either.

BlueCaliDem

(15,438 posts)
5. Math is not their strongest suit - especially when it makes them look bad or look like they're
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 01:02 PM
Jun 2016

losing. They darn well know what the rules are, but they keep LYING in order to not have to leave the race that they've already lost, before they do as much damage to the Democratic Party as they can.

BlueCaliDem

(15,438 posts)
8. Yep. Just checked. The 4,765 total delegates incl. pledged *and* unpledged (super) delegates.
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 01:08 PM
Jun 2016

Fifty percent of 4,765 is 2,382 1/2. To win is to get 1/2 a delegate more than your rival, making the magic number in pledged and unpledged (super) delegates: 2,383.

So Jane Sanders is LYING and Andrea Mitchell is letting her.

brer cat

(24,544 posts)
4. It is more than a bit on the arrogant side
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 12:59 PM
Jun 2016

to tell the media what they can and cannot report. Losers are rarely asked to set the policy for them.

BlueCaliDem

(15,438 posts)
7. Then the question would be, why did they allow it? Why did Andrea allow any conditions to be set
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 01:05 PM
Jun 2016

before the interview? Then the blame falls on Andrea "I detest the Clintons" Mitchell for allowing this charade.

displacedtexan

(15,696 posts)
24. Simple answer: there must be a horse race!!!!!
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 02:30 PM
Jun 2016

The media can't function ratings-wise unless both the primary and the general elections are seen as suspenseful to viewers. They learned this in 1996, when the first Clinton walked away with almost the entire country and the nightly news seemed like a perpetual rerun of "Bill's Still Ahead."

 

workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
9. Jane is so full of it
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 01:08 PM
Jun 2016

The whole world is not changing the rules to benefit Bernie damn!

And where the hell are the TAX RETURNS Jane????

BlueCaliDem

(15,438 posts)
14. I'm asking that same question, Cha. Can you recall when it was the last time @msnbc had Bill Clinton
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 01:26 PM
Jun 2016

on? I can't.

And you're very welcome!

Cha

(297,029 posts)
15. No, it's burnie burnie jane burnie burnie jane, burnie burnie jane, burnie jane sanders... crammed
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 01:31 PM
Jun 2016

down our throats 24/freaking/7..

Is it any wonder reasonable people are sick to ******* death of them?

BlueCali

 

HillareeeHillaraah

(685 posts)
39. And may I also note...
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 05:38 PM
Jun 2016

...the 3 hour Trumpapalooza that MSNBC broadcasts every weekday morning from 6-9?

You'd be hard pressed to hear any positive Clinton coverage out of MSNBC.

Damn shame too.

BlueCaliDem

(15,438 posts)
12. Well, considering the math Jane used that's now bankrupting Burlington College, there's a case to be
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 01:18 PM
Jun 2016

made there - otherwise her actions could see seen as outright fraud, right? That said, they knew the rules before they ran under the Democratic Party banner. They also knew their followers have no clue. That's what they're - literally - banking on, and it's the job of the media (were they not all propaganda outlets) to call them on their b.s..

The only people they dog when it comes to getting answers, is Hillary Clinton. Every other candidate has always gotten a pass.

BlueCaliDem

(15,438 posts)
19. Not a word! You'd think she'd take that opportunity once Jane came out of her hiding place. But no.
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 01:47 PM
Jun 2016

She just sat there letting the woman LIE while accusing "the media" of aiding and abetting Hillary Clinton by saying that the primaries are all but over and Democrats have their Democratic nominee. And she said it with that annoying smile of hers, too.

NastyRiffraff

(12,448 posts)
16. So Jane Sanders gets to set journalistic rules?
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 01:32 PM
Jun 2016

the media are not "allowed" to say there is a Democratic nominee? What's the penalty, Jane? You'll refuse interviews? Good!

 

beachbum bob

(10,437 posts)
17. jane and bernie saying something that is patently false and goes against
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 01:40 PM
Jun 2016

the actual facts of ALL democratic primaries since the inception of super delegates

June 7th I can't wait
june 16th I can't wait


nov 8 will be a great celebration for america electing our first female president who took the abuse and defeated 2 male egos and the media

mark my words

BlueCaliDem

(15,438 posts)
18. "nov 8 will be a great celebration for america electing our first female president"
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 01:46 PM
Jun 2016

And we can finally shatter that thick, almost unbreakable glass ceiling once and for all.

BlueCaliDem

(15,438 posts)
27. I know, HS! Were it Hillary rather than Jane, the M$M would be crucifying her as we speak!
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 02:45 PM
Jun 2016

Republicans would be buying millions in attack-ads that would air 24/7 and Sanders would be all over it at his rallies to get attention.

But it's Jane O'Meara, so it's a-ok.

Not cool AT ALL.

 

Her Sister

(6,444 posts)
29. When we get to the next chapter! Don't worry
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 02:50 PM
Jun 2016

We will realize this part was .... you know... not all that.

DemonGoddess

(4,640 posts)
26. This is typical of them, of late
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 02:42 PM
Jun 2016

You do it my way, or else. Because you can't possibly know what you're doing. Because I know better!!!

mercuryblues

(14,526 posts)
30. On wolf blitzer
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 03:21 PM
Jun 2016

Well I think CNN and MSNBC should listen to the communications director of the DNC who said don't count those super delegates, until they actually vote. You don't count the pledged delegates until they actually vote. So, yes. he's 272 votes, pledged delegates behind Secretary Clinton and it is a steep climb. But the fact is he's won a number of races by large margins. By 70,75,82,86%.

BlueCaliDem

(15,438 posts)
33. "he's won a number of races by large margins. By 70,75,82,86%." You forgot to add: in smaller States
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 04:27 PM
Jun 2016

with very few delegates. Hillary Clinton wins in large, delegate-rich primary States. She even won Nebraska and Washington State when they held their primary just a week or so ago. However, I don't hear Sanders saying that caucuses are undemocratic and rigged and that because Hillary won both Nebraska and Washington State handily, she should get the pledged delegates of those States, do I?

Also, you can make the case that, if we don't tally the superdelegates now we shouldn't tally the pledged delegates now, either, since they, just like the superdelegates, don't cast their vote until the Democratic Convention, either. And seeing that Sanders won the delegates from Nebraska and Washington State via the undemocratic caucus system and Hillary Clinton won them per one-person-one-vote, shouldn't *she* get those States' delegates?

It's not only the 274+ pledged delegates that makes the climb for him steep. It's the fact that he's behind by 3 million plus popular vote with no chance of catching up - even in California. And after denigrating one of the best governors in CA history as being part of the "establishment", he's bernt his bridges here. Governor Moonbeam has been the most liberal governor I know, and the fact that he got over his deep dislike of the Clintons and publicly endorsed Hillary, tells you that the governor with a 77% approval rating is not the man Sanders should want to go toe to toe with. If he's smart. Because Governor Brown is known for hitting back hard when unfairly attacked.

mercuryblues

(14,526 posts)
35. those were Jane's words
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 04:34 PM
Jun 2016

on Blitzer. By saying that the pledged delegates haven't voted yet and shouldn't be counted, she is implying that no votes count. Since no delegates count, Bernie will win, somehow. The more she talks the less I like Bernie.

BlueCaliDem

(15,438 posts)
36. lol. Sorry, mercuryblues. I thought those were your words.
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 04:38 PM
Jun 2016

Perhaps, in the future and to avoid misunderstandings and confusion, you might want to put someone's quoted words between quotation marks? Just a suggestion.

mercuryblues

(14,526 posts)
37. not a problem
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 04:42 PM
Jun 2016

I knew when I posted it, something looked wrong. I was flabbergasted by her insinuation that Clinton and Bernie were basically tied, because no votes have been cast at the convention, that I just hit post after transcribing that part of the interview.

BlueCaliDem

(15,438 posts)
38. Thank you.
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 04:53 PM
Jun 2016
"I was flabbergasted by her insinuation that Clinton and Bernie were basically tied, because no votes have been cast at the convention"


You could've knocked me over with a feather when I heard it. I was like, WHY doesn't Andrea say something??!

LiberalFighter

(50,825 posts)
31. To better expose Jane Sanders and even Andrea Mitchell it might be better to use twitter
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 03:30 PM
Jun 2016

than Facebook. You are limited in the amount of text in your responses but I think it can work.

When posting in twitter remember to include a period in front of their name. That causes it to be viewed beyond just your friends and the primary person you are tweeting. So instead of @janeosanders use .@janeosanders

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