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beachbum bob

(10,437 posts)
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 10:38 AM Jun 2016

quite entertaining to see so many sanders supporters with egos as big as sanders

thinking hillary has to convince every single one of them to vote for her so she even has a chance at beating trump. I hate to bust the bubble, hillary doesn't need every sanders supporter she will have 85-90% of them along with millions of supporters that trump will be creating as he spouts off in this campaign. This isn;t a high school prom queen/king election. And its not about egos any more. Its about our country

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beachbum bob

(10,437 posts)
3. you have hit the nail on the head...social media and all the unfounded hype
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 10:48 AM
Jun 2016

a generational issue of actually being accountable and responsible and not blaming everyone else for what you find yourself in

 

forjusticethunders

(1,151 posts)
6. I don't know if it's a generational issue
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 11:12 AM
Jun 2016

But as a *member* of said generation, I sure see that attiude a lot and it pisses me off. I think it takes a certain moral fiber to look at one's failures and shortcomings and say "Hey, this is my fault and I need to improve" instead of getting defensive.

 

puffy socks

(1,473 posts)
8. Not being able to look at your own short comings is not a generational thing
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 12:14 PM
Jun 2016

I believe it's just intensified because it's so much easier to find echo chambers to reinforce your beliefs on social media.

Its very hard for people to admit they are wrong especially if they've passionately fought their position and truly believed it.

Koinos

(2,792 posts)
9. Facebook should be called "Selfie-Book."
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 12:23 PM
Jun 2016

I believe it's hard to recruit reliable voters interested in the real (fact-based) common good from social media.

TwilightZone

(25,467 posts)
2. For some of them, it's never been about Sanders.
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 10:47 AM
Jun 2016

It's about their need for attention. If they were truly concerned about their candidate, they wouldn't spend much of their time ranting about how everything is a conspiracy (but only when things don't go their way), acting like children, insisting on ignoring reality, and making Sanders look bad by association.

Sanders only compounds the problem by repeating and pushing some of the same nonsense. It's getting more difficult to separate Sanders from his supporters. He's getting horrible advice.

As for convincing them to vote for Hillary, they can take their toys and go home for all I care. Many of them weren't going to vote in the first place.

PJMcK

(22,031 posts)
7. Your last paragraph resonates with me
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 11:51 AM
Jun 2016

It seems that the loudest, angriest voices in support of Senator Sanders are, in fact, a very small subset of probable Democratic voters. By Election Day, their influence will be statistically insignificant. Further, Senator Sanders is unlikely to be part of the electoral narrative.

SharonClark

(10,014 posts)
10. I can't imagine what Sanders could do to help with the GE.
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 12:52 PM
Jun 2016

His die hard fans would call him a traitor and he couldn't side with the 'establishment' over the 'revolution".
He's in a pickle.

PJMcK

(22,031 posts)
11. Statesmanship requires statesmen (and women, of course)
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 01:03 PM
Jun 2016

Statesmanship is demonstrated by how one behaves when they win or lose. Losing sucks but how it's handled illustrates character. When Senator McCain conceded to then-Senator Obama, he acted with grace and love of country to ensure legitimizing our first African American president. (Ugh! Did I just compliment John McCain?!)

It will be up to Senator Sanders to set the tone for his supporters when he acknowledges Secretary Clinton as the Democratic nominee. Then we'll see lots of interesting things.

stopbush

(24,396 posts)
4. The idea that Independents decide elections is one of those myths
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 10:49 AM
Jun 2016

that doesn't survive close inspection.

Winning elections is always about turning out your base. That's the only way Rs ever win as they are outnumbered by Ds in the electorate. If Ds don't turn out, Rs win, no matter what the Indies do.

Only 5% of Indies are truly independent in the sense that they will equally consider a left or right candidate. The other 95% lean heavily in either direction, and fairly equally. They are independent in name only.

It's laughable to hear Sanders' supporters demanding that Hillary beg them for their votes when she doesn't need the votes of the zealots. She needs Ds to turn out, just like every other D who has ever run for president.

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