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Sat Jun 11, 2016, 10:42 PM

Having problems letting go ... and the double standard

I am getting frustrated with the nonstop drumbeat of "don't gloat! The Bernie supporters are hurting!"

Why am I frustrated? The Bernie supporters have been misled and misinformed for months now. Hillary had the nomination after New York. If the situation had been reversed, M$M would have begun screaming for her to bow out and recognize that the nomination had been won by another. But the winner was Hillary ... so instead we heard that Bernie's "path to the nomination was very narrow" or the "math was difficult." No, the math was impossible. Bernie needed to win every state after NY by such a large margin it just wasn't happening. But Bernie supporters were told otherwise.

Now I hear over and over "voter fraud," "rigged primaries," and other such craziness. We DO have to worry about disenfranchising voters and the Republican efforts to suppress the vote in November, but the mindset that every time YOUR candidate loses it's a fraud and every time he wins it's a victory just doesn't cut it in reality.

In 2008, I supported Obama. NO ONE told me to be kind to all the people who had worked so hard for Hillary. Neither she nor her supporters got time to regroup. I could celebrate until the cows came home without being chided.

I also read that Obama should not endorse Hillary yet--things aren't over. Say what?

If I were a Bernie supporter and all this nonsense was being poured into my head regularly, I'd have trouble grasping reality, too. BUT the reality is that Hillary is the nominee, and our job NOW is to get it together and get her elected and work on all the races down ticket. We can't afford the Donald in the White House, and we need to return Paul and Mitch to the back benches where they belong.

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Reply Having problems letting go ... and the double standard (Original post)
ladym55 Jun 2016 OP
yeoman6987 Jun 2016 #1
WhiteTara Jun 2016 #7
yeoman6987 Jun 2016 #8
WhiteTara Jun 2016 #9
Cha Jun 2016 #16
athena Jun 2016 #11
yeoman6987 Jun 2016 #12
Cha Jun 2016 #13
Cha Jun 2016 #21
asuhornets Jun 2016 #58
PJMcK Jun 2016 #26
athena Jun 2016 #46
Arkansas Granny Jun 2016 #50
Mr Maru Jun 2016 #56
Coolest Ranger Jun 2016 #34
Cha Jun 2016 #15
Coolest Ranger Jun 2016 #35
athena Jun 2016 #45
Cha Jun 2016 #52
SaschaHM Jun 2016 #14
Cha Jun 2016 #17
Rincewind Jun 2016 #25
Coolest Ranger Jun 2016 #36
BobbyDrake Jun 2016 #28
Coolest Ranger Jun 2016 #33
Princess Turandot Jun 2016 #44
BlueMTexpat Jun 2016 #48
Post removed Jun 2016 #55
eastwestdem Jun 2016 #19
KittyWampus Jun 2016 #42
itsrobert Jun 2016 #2
leftofcool Jun 2016 #3
Gomez163 Jun 2016 #4
Thinkingabout Jun 2016 #5
WhiteTara Jun 2016 #10
Ellen Forradalom Jun 2016 #6
SaschaHM Jun 2016 #18
Cha Jun 2016 #22
Coolest Ranger Jun 2016 #37
Surya Gayatri Jun 2016 #24
1StrongBlackMan Jun 2016 #53
Mr Maru Jun 2016 #57
Cha Jun 2016 #20
Surya Gayatri Jun 2016 #23
Her Sister Jun 2016 #27
Coolest Ranger Jun 2016 #38
Her Sister Jun 2016 #39
geek tragedy Jun 2016 #29
BobbyDrake Jun 2016 #31
BlueMTexpat Jun 2016 #49
Cha Jun 2016 #30
Her Sister Jun 2016 #40
Cha Jun 2016 #41
Coolest Ranger Jun 2016 #32
NastyRiffraff Jun 2016 #43
Walk away Jun 2016 #47
MFM008 Jun 2016 #51
robbedvoter Jun 2016 #54

Response to ladym55 (Original post)

Sat Jun 11, 2016, 10:45 PM

1. BS. Hillary stayed til June just like Bernie is

 

She was given the respect to leave when she wanted to in 2008. Bernie should get at least that respect.

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Response to yeoman6987 (Reply #1)

Sat Jun 11, 2016, 11:07 PM

7. This is the middle of June

Tuesday is D day. He either gets 300 delegates or he says, "Congratulations, Hillary. You won. Thanks for such a great campaign and now we can get to work and do the things we talked about." Then he'll have my respect.

If he goes to the convention and whines, I'll let his buddies whip up the crackers and cheese. Don't look for me join his little pity party. Don't like losing to a woman? Don't run against one.

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Response to WhiteTara (Reply #7)

Sat Jun 11, 2016, 11:22 PM

8. DC votes Tuesday.

 

I'd imagine he'll suspend Wednesday but the way he's been treated, I would not blame him for staying to the convention. Nobody has been treated more disrespectful then sanders in the history of primary elections.

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Response to yeoman6987 (Reply #8)

Sat Jun 11, 2016, 11:35 PM

9. Oh, please. He was welcomed with open arms

given the keys to the kingdom. Then he cheated by stealing data and had the gall to sue because they said, F you, why should we let you in? He got his way and got the keys back, but it has been strained every since.

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Response to WhiteTara (Reply #9)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 02:02 AM

16. "Nobody has been treated more disrespectful then sanders in the history of primary elections."



Nobody has treated their primary opponent more Disrespectfully than BS has treated Hillary!

There.. I Fixed it for him.

WhiteTara

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Response to yeoman6987 (Reply #8)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 12:40 AM

11. This is the Hillary forum.

If you want to defend Sanders, go to GDP or the Sanders forum.

By the way, if you think that Sanders is the one who has been treated with no respect, you have not really been watching.

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Response to athena (Reply #11)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 01:41 AM

12. I've been kicked out of sanders forum

 

I am a Hillary supporter. I have serious doubts you are. Prove to me you voted for Hillary.

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Response to yeoman6987 (Reply #12)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 01:53 AM

13. Bottom line is .. no matter who you support you don't come into Hillary's Group and post

"BS".

Nor do you get to start fights and disrespect our members.

They are right.. BS is the one who grossly disrespects Hillary.. he is his own worst enemy.

".. the way he's been treated.. " Are you for real?! Give Me A Break!

You need a big shot of reality.

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Response to yeoman6987 (Reply #12)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 03:04 AM

21. Oh, and, btw.. your sending me a PM saying "I just reported you!" means nothing. You can

whine all you want about be Blocked but it isn't doing to change anything.

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Response to Cha (Reply #21)

Tue Jun 14, 2016, 09:49 AM

58. Good Job!!

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Response to yeoman6987 (Reply #12)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 07:05 AM

26. I was blocked, too

I read postings from the Latest Threads page so I don't pay attention to the Group a posting is from. Recently, a poster referred to the president as "Barack" and I wrote, "that's President Obama to you." The Bernie Sanders Group Host blocked me for "attacking" a member in a "safe haven." My emails to the Host were polite and explanatory but she'd have none of it and instead projected some incorrect and angry attitude onto me. Ah, well.

I've been a member of DU since 2006, donated money when I could and a lifelong Democrat. My post count is low because I like to read and when I see the angry arguments, I move on because they're mostly pointless and without resolution. When raising my son I learned an important lesson: it takes two to argue.

Anyway, I now feel like I have a battle scar from the internal DU wars! The new rules will end some of these internecine fights.

Meanwhile, I'll vote a straight Democratic ticket in November.

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Response to PJMcK (Reply #26)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 11:37 AM

46. I was also banned from the Bernie forum.

I followed a link to a post, without realizing the post was in the Bernie forum. It was a really offensive post -- so sexist that other Bernie supporters eventually convinced the poster to delete it. But I was blocked for criticizing it.

Things are already getting better. Many of the Hillary supporters who have been quiet have been coming out, or perhaps even coming back after staying away for a long time, so that the place feels much less hostile to Hillary supporters than it was previously.

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Response to athena (Reply #46)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 05:33 PM

50. I was banned when I replied to a post that began with

"Hey, Hillary supporters".

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Response to Arkansas Granny (Reply #50)

Mon Jun 13, 2016, 01:36 PM

56. Sounds about right. Makes perfect sense.

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Response to yeoman6987 (Reply #12)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 08:18 AM

34. We're not here to please

or cater to you. I get so tired of attitudes like yours

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Response to athena (Reply #11)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 01:59 AM

15. Hi Aloha, athena.. I'm sorry for that poster being so rude to you.. he's gone now.. I don't

care who he supports.. he's not coming into our group and being rude to our membera and saying ".. the way BS has been treated.. " after all the demonizing BS has done on Hillary.. all the hate he's whipped up against herJeeze!

Somebody needs a big dose of REALITY!

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Response to Cha (Reply #15)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 08:19 AM

35. Thank you

I get so tired of seeing posters like that. They pretend to be supporters of Hillary clinton but advocate for Bernie.

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Response to Cha (Reply #15)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 11:32 AM

45. Mahalo, Cha!

I'm sorry he was rude to you as well. You were just doing your job (and doing it well!).



P.S. I lived on Oahu for nine years and would move back there in a heartbeat if I could.

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Response to athena (Reply #45)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 05:49 PM

52. That's interesting you lived on Oahu..

Mahalo to you, Athena!



Wish you could go back too.. I lived on Kauai in the '90s and left for 12 years and came back in 2010.. I miss my friends and family in New York but am really glad to be here.. especially in the winter!

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Response to yeoman6987 (Reply #8)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 01:58 AM

14. Treated more disrespectfully?

Just because Sanders isn't allowed to break the rules, change the rules, harass state party chairs, steal voter data, fake endorsements, appropriate the Civil Rights movement, etc... doesn't mean he has been treated disrespectfully. Hell, he has been handled with kid gloves throughout the entire process, especially for someone who has decided to run a dangerously negative campaign 2 months after it became mathematically improbable for him to win.

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Response to SaschaHM (Reply #14)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 02:05 AM

17. Thank you, Sascha! No one has been treated more Disrespectfully in a Dem Primary than

BS has treated Hillary and those are the facts.

But yeah .. poor burnie

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Response to yeoman6987 (Reply #8)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 05:14 AM

25. Not true

Hillary has been treated much more disrespectfully than Bernie ever was.

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Response to Rincewind (Reply #25)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 08:20 AM

36. So have her supporters

all you got to do is search the site for that evidence

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Response to yeoman6987 (Reply #8)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 07:29 AM

28. Utter nonsense. Spare us the victimhood please. Bernie knew the rules...

 

...and expecting them to be changed just for him was his mistake.

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Response to yeoman6987 (Reply #8)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 08:17 AM

33. He was the one who wanted

to run on our party. He was the one who decided to go negative. He was the one who did not reach out to minority groups. THIS IS THE HILLARY CLINTON group. Take your negativity to general discussion

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Response to yeoman6987 (Reply #8)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 11:16 AM

44. The concept of 'respect' does not require the winner to pretend that she has not indeed won...

to spare the loser's tender ego.

She's won. By every possible measure.
He lost. By every possible measure.

It's really that simple.

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Response to yeoman6987 (Reply #8)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 03:41 PM

48. This ...


Nobody has been treated more disrespectful then sanders in the history of primary elections.


I'll resist going full-blown grammar police on that statement.

But I can't resist doing this.

Bernie is always the victim. And this is the HRC Group.

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Response to yeoman6987 (Reply #1)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 02:10 AM

19. It was totally different. They were really neck and neck in 2008, she was winning the popular vote.

 

This year is just blind delusion, as the writing has been on the wall since March.

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Response to yeoman6987 (Reply #1)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 09:17 AM

42. Clinton never once claimed her opponent cheated, the system was rigged, dissed "southern states",

 

whined about caucus/polls, called into question whether she'd support the nominee if it wasn't her.

Clinton was and is a Democratic Party member. A team players.

None of that can be said about Sanders.

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Response to ladym55 (Original post)

Sat Jun 11, 2016, 10:47 PM

2. Yup, they have a coordinated attack going on right now

Each posting one old conspiracy theory or old anti-Hillary hit piece one after the other. Even dredging out Mark Penn.

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Response to ladym55 (Original post)

Sat Jun 11, 2016, 10:50 PM

3. Just a few more days.

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Response to leftofcool (Reply #3)

Sat Jun 11, 2016, 10:53 PM

4. Can't come soon enough

 

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Response to ladym55 (Original post)

Sat Jun 11, 2016, 10:54 PM

5. As much as I did not want Sarah Palin as VP and did not want Romney as president

The GE is much different this year, the thought of Trump becoming president will be worse than George W. It is about uniting to defeat Trump, even republicans are having a difficult time.

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Response to Thinkingabout (Reply #5)

Sat Jun 11, 2016, 11:37 PM

10. It's almost visceral

and the thought of Trump touching and defiling all the things in our capital, makes me physically ill.

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Response to ladym55 (Original post)

Sat Jun 11, 2016, 10:55 PM

6. I recall the WWTSBQ

from 2008. That's an acronym, ,'Why Won't That Stupid B**** Quit?', that was used at blog Corrente to label any post about someone stamping their feet demanding Hillary quit the race. So yeah, it's nothing new.

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Response to ladym55 (Original post)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 02:10 AM

18. Bernie and his supporters have been coddled since the beginning of the race....

They expect to be coddled to the end of it as well.

The fact that they even think that this is a close race is a sign of the coddling that they've needed. His entire campaign has been a certificate of participation. He lost by 6+ million votes and over 350+ delegates. That's a good old fashion landslide and the fact that he feels entitled to argue for concessions is disturbing.

I'm going to celebrate that Hillary won and Bernie lost and I'm not going to sugarcoat my glee or coddle anyone else's children because they just learned the rules of the game and realized that they lost 2 months ago.

Not after the attacks on John Lewis and Dolores Huerta. Not after the drudging up of various right wing hit pieces. Not after having to watch and listen to Nina Turner, Susan Sarandon, Shailene Woodley, and Ben Jealous argue with a straight face that because Bernie gets more white college kids then the votes of African American democrats like myself should be ignored because of some polls 6 months out. Not after the legitimization of Cornell West after his disparaging remarks against Barack Obama. Not after the absolute mess that was NVDem's convention. And especially not after, a process that has empowered people of color and women all over the country and resulted in the first female major party nominee has been accused of being rigged because Bernie didn't win certain states.

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Response to SaschaHM (Reply #18)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 03:14 AM

22. Excellent post, Sascha.. Mahalo!

Last edited Sun Jun 12, 2016, 03:45 AM - Edit history (1)

"They expect to be coddled to the end of it as well." Yes, and that's not going to happen..from my end anyway.

The fact that they even think that this is a close race is a sign of the coddling that they've needed. His entire campaign has been a certificate of participation. He lost by 6+ million votes and over 350+ delegates. That's a good old fashion landslide and the fact that he feels entitled to argue for concessions is disturbing.

I'm going to celebrate that Hillary won and Bernie lost and I'm not going to sugarcoat my glee or coddle anyone else's children because they just learned the rules of the game and realized that they lost 2 months ago.

Not after the attacks on John Lewis and Dolores Huerta. Not after the drudging up of various right wing hit pieces. Not after having to watch and listen to Nina Turner, Susan Sarandon, Shailene Woodley, and Ben Jealous argue with a straight face that because Bernie gets more white college kids then the votes of African American democrats like myself should be ignored because of some polls 6 months out. Not after the legitimization of Cornell West after his disparaging remarks against Barack Obama. Not after the absolute mess that was NVDem's convention. And especially not after, a process that has empowered people of color and women all over the country and resulted in the first female major party nominee has been accused of being rigged because Bernie didn't win certain states.

Hell No!

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Response to Cha (Reply #22)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 08:22 AM

37. Amen

I'm not kissing their behinds either. I already told several of them off on facebook and if they didn't like my response, I blocked them.

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Response to SaschaHM (Reply #18)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 03:24 AM

24. ^^^AMEN to this!^^^

 

I'm not going to sugarcoat my glee or coddle anyone else's children because they just learned the rules of the game...

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Response to SaschaHM (Reply #18)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 06:59 PM

53. LOL and +1 ...

 

His entire campaign has been a certificate of participation.


This primary has been a sociological study's treasure trove. I wonder if some sociologist will write a piece on this primary vis a vis "certificates of participation"?

Not to be ageist or anything; but, what generation grew up with "certificates of participation" and what generation is Bernie all in?

As I have written before, I came of age in an era where every spring, we had to try out for little league baseball. If, at the end of try outs, we got "drafted", we made the team ... if not, we spent the summer working on our game, so that next year, we'd get "drafted".

And, even if we made the team, if we were good enough, we would get to play in the games ... if not, we spent the summer working on our game (on the team), so that next year, we'd get to play.

And, at the end of the season, there were 4 trophies awarded, a Championship trophy (for everyone on the Championship team), a MVP trophy (one for each non-championship team), a Most improved Player trophy (one for each non-championship team), and a Sportsmanship trophy (one for each non-championship team). There were no Participation trophies ... and, to be honest, NO ONE wanted to get the Most Improved or Sportsmanship trophies, because that meant you weren't a champion.

There was no whining ... just hard work over the summer for next year ... or not!

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #53)

Mon Jun 13, 2016, 01:47 PM

57. My wife pointed out pretty much the same thing. His rallies were attended by kids who

could probably fill a trunk with all the trophies, awards, medals and ribbons they got just for showing up. Everybody gets to be on the team and everybody gets a "winners" trophy.

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Response to ladym55 (Original post)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 02:21 AM

20. I like to call it Celebrating and Rejoicing! And, you ladym make excellent points.. and bottom

line.. I owe them nothing.

Not the way they've treated Hilary supporters on this board.

I'll Celebrate and Rejoice Hillary's WIN anyway I damn please!

Whoop!



Mahalo~

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Response to ladym55 (Original post)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 03:23 AM

23. SO. FED. UP...JUST. GO. AWAY...SULK. ELSEWHERE.!!!!!

 



Thank heavens, only 4 days to go and counting.

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Response to ladym55 (Original post)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 07:13 AM

27. I think we can gloat in the HRC Group!

 

and coddle them everywhere else! Because that's what they require and demand.
Actually, I don't go to GDP! I even stopped my Release the Taxes Agenda. I find that very gracious of myself!!!

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Response to Her Sister (Reply #27)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 08:24 AM

38. If yo want to

coddle them go ahead. I'm not. After the way I have been treated by Bernie supporters they are getting NOTHING from me

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Response to Coolest Ranger (Reply #38)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 08:29 AM

39. Actually I don't coddle them since I don't even go there!

 

Like it here!!! Where we're happy and going forward!!

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Response to ladym55 (Original post)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 07:32 AM

29. We won. And we want those people to join us as Hilllary supporters.

 

What's the smart play? Seems pretty obvious.

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Response to geek tragedy (Reply #29)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 07:44 AM

31. It's springtime now. GE mode. Not ideal weather for special snowflakes any more. nt

 

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Response to geek tragedy (Reply #29)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 03:45 PM

49. Those who are true Dems

are already with us. Those who are true progressives will unite with us against Trump.

Those who aren't ... well - some of us have had enough of being pissed on!

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Response to ladym55 (Original post)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 07:41 AM

30. sanders needs to address his supporters.. he says he can't tell them what to do.. but,

if he were any kind of leader @ all.. and cared about his country he would try to undo months of HIllary hate that he instilled in them.

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Response to Cha (Reply #30)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 08:31 AM

40. Yep, this a leader's test!

 

Let's see if BS passes...

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Response to Her Sister (Reply #40)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 08:46 AM

41. Right. Hillary had no problem because she's a leader and she's gotten a world of

experience since them.

That's why President Obama is #WithHer and Ready for Hillary.. even if the Tuners and Gabbards aren't.

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Response to ladym55 (Original post)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 08:14 AM

32. I also keep reading

that its us who are the ones who start stuff online and I'm like where are they getting this mess from? They alert stalk the dickens out of us too. I can't wait for the day when Skinner pulls the new rules on it then I will be free to hopefully speak my mind and such

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Response to ladym55 (Original post)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 10:52 AM

43. I'm sick of these spoiled brats demanding "respect"

Respect for what? The constant harrassment, alert stalking, crapping all over any positive post about Hillary, threatening violence, disrespecting liberal icons such as John Lewis, Delores Huerta, President Obama, etc. The latest is Elizabeth Warren. And whining about "voter fraud" when they couldn't be bothered to research election rules for their states. Their threats to "stay home" or vote Green Party, or even vote for Trump(!) tells me all I need to know about them.

Respect my ass. Damn right, I'll celebrate our victory. If they don't like it they can go to that jackass site.

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Response to ladym55 (Original post)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 11:47 AM

47. It is so bizarre. This is politics. But on your big boy pannts and get over it.

I have had to do it many times. I have not always liked our candidate, and I have said so, but I have never been so delicate or deluded that I couldn't stand to hear the truth.

We did them no favor letting them think they were winning. I get why Hillary was so easy on Bernie even while he was pushing GOP talking points and tin foil hat crap, but it seems to have resulted in a small but hardcore group of overly sensitive..............well, you fill in the blank.

I don't think that the campaign needs them but this site seems to.

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Response to ladym55 (Original post)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 05:47 PM

51. we need to turn our focus to tRump

Listen to him, if he hasn't made you angry enough yet, don't worry he will get there.
Hes the worst person in the world.
We must had him a defeat of unprecedented proportions.
So that him, his party and his supporters get a message.

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Response to ladym55 (Original post)

Sun Jun 12, 2016, 07:51 PM

54. Hillary had the nomination March 1st. Everything that followed

was appeasement. "let the old man do his schtick so his followers don't feel cheated". They did anyway.

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