I cannot believe the hatred for Hillary on these pages

[question everything]

The most recent is "accusing" her supporters that they support her because she is a woman.

Never mind the condescending, misogynistic tone of these posts. They have been on DU forever.

But they never had a problem with all Obama supporters, in 2008, who came out and clearly said they supported him because he was black.

I was amazed how many women, back in 2008, across the country, stood up and declared how they were not going to support her. I don't remember any African American saying something similar. Perhaps Carson, or Cain, or Justice Thomas.

Jesse Jackson Jr. - still in jail? - specifically demanded that all the members of the Black Congressional caucus aligned themselves with the "brother." And when anyone tried to point this out, well, of course, they were racist.

And, of course, we have pro Hillary posts get alerted while pro Sanders posts stay put. Any post that put doubt in Sanders and cannot really be alerted - or, perhaps does but survives - just sinks.

I don't have problem with Sanders; his heart is in the right place. I just know that he does not have any chance of being elected in the general elections.

Sigh.

[Thinkingabout]

1. K & R

Let me add to your wonderful post, Hillary has the ability, experience and capability to be president.

[question everything]

2. That's a given

I still believe that she would have been a better president than Obama. That experience counts.

[Cha]

32. Obama has been an Excellent President.. I don't like that you're sowing discord between HIllary

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and President Obama supporters.

You realize there are a LOT of Obama supporters on here who are for Hillary now?

The damn 2008 primary is over. Obama won.. get over it. That was then this is now.

President Obama and Hillary came together for the good of the country and so have many of their supporters on DU.

And, Hillary needs all the Obama coalition now to WIN! We're working for both of them to win!

I was against Hillary in 2008 but I got over it at the Convention and when Obama chose her to be his SOS I rooted for both of them.

And, yes.. there is a lot of hate on here for Hillary and I've been working to combat it right along with all her supporters from the very beginning.

[BootinUp]

33. +1

[sheshe2]

34. I am glad I wasn't here in 2007- 2008.

I was elsewhere and following ever article and news source I could find. Read and listened to many that wanted to run or were running. I liked many that were there. As for Hillary, I always had the utmost respect for her, yet she was not in my radar back then. Obama was and it was him I focused on.

I was never in a food fight or fray. Most people I knew were supporters.

Yes Cha, I don't like it when people drive a wedge between them now. They were the adults in the room that came to terms. Why? For the betterment of this country and a mutual respect for each other. Yes, they are the adults in the room.

[Cha]

35. Thank you, she. We're all in this together for the heart and soul of our Country and the

Planet! Not even exaggerating. Hillary and President Obama realize that and they're great role models.

What the hell even happened in 2008 is so off my radar.. it's now that's important.

And, Hillary has even more experience to be an excellent President like her predecessor. This is the reality. I cannot wait until they're out their campaigning together in 2016 like they did in 2008.. that is my vision.

[sheshe2]

36. :)

[Cha]

37. That is some picture.. like for all time!

Thank you~

[Cha]

38. P.S. I should have added the link with this snip~

"The two senators focused on economic themes at the start of an intensive three-day push in the Sunshine State, a critical battleground that voted for President Bush in the last two elections but where Mr Obama now has a slight edge in the polls.

As Mrs Clinton made a heartfelt appeal to her supporters "to work as hard for Barack as you did for me", her husband, former president Bill Clinton, turned out for Mr Obama nearly 3,000 miles to the west in another battleground, Nevada.

In a trio of stops, Mr Clinton pressed the case for an Obama presidency, arguing he was the candidate best suited to restoring the "American dream" and repairing "America's standing in the world".

More..
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/barackobama/3232604/Barack-Obama-and-Hillary-Clinton-campaign-together-in-Florida.html

[MADem]

51. +1. I've learned to love Obama in the last 2 terms-so has HRC. They're pals.

[Cha]

55. I know you have MADem.. and I really appreciate it.

Thank you!

And. I've been in that position.. I didn't like it one bit when Dean lost the primary but I was out there for Kerry on Nov 2nd with my sis in Manchester, NH cheering him on right before the election. We drove from New York.

And, now Dean is for Hillary.. strange how things work out. He was quite the darling around here with his 50 state strategy until he endorsed her.

[Thinkingabout]

5. You are in the Hillary group, maybe a delete will be the best move.

[pangaia]

7. Ooppss sorry about that. many months ago, I posted something

before I even KNEW there were such groups. Boy did I get wacked.

[Buzz Clik]

27. It happens...

... It happens to me a lot.

[Iliyah]

11. I was about to comment on that. Its a shame that BS supporters seem entitled to invade HRC threads

Anywho, the vileness of hatred is over the top.

I kick and recommend this thread.

[pangaia]

31. LOOK!!!! Iliyah,

I apologized and said I did NOT realize I was in the HRC Group.. OK??

[BlueCaliDem]

39. Thank you for that.

[BlueCaliDem]

65. Bar non, Thinkingabout. Bar none. eom

[Evergreen Emerald]

4. I just read a thread committing to stay until the end and fighting for Bernie to get him elected.

And "exposing the truth." I am wondering how posting distortions and lies about a democratic candidate on a democratic board is helping Sanders get elected?

[BootinUp]

8. I assume, based on previous DU primary season policy,

that once she has clinched the required delegates for the nomination, attacks against her will no longer be allowed to get nasty.

[sheshe2]

6. 5th rec~

[kjones]

9. Some people are using the BS group as a protected launch pad for anti-HRC stuff

[matt819]

10. Yeah, yeah, yeah

And there's just an outpouring of love for Bernie from the Hillary side

This is one issue where the eqivalencies are not false. Both sides are responsible for an awful lot of nastiness. And an awful lt of long-time DUers are fed up.

[Iliyah]

12. This is the HRC, I respect BS' threads and you should ours. Delete

[Rose Siding]

21. Really? How often are you accused of supporting Bernie cuz he's male?

Thought so. Not much equivalency there, is there?

[misterhighwasted]

25. Get out of the HRC Group

Bye.

[ronnykmarshall]

43. and this long time DU'er is fed up as well

Fed up with the bullshit of Bernie supporters shitting on EVERY pro-Hillary threads. I have even started neutral thread in GDP only to have a Bernie supporter or two talk shit.

Yeah I'm very fed up and I'm proud to say I got 90 time out for cussing a few out.

[Cha]

66. You're wrong.. look at you for instance.. you come in Hillary's Group and starting telling us both

sides are as bad as the other. False equivalency.

You don't have the respect to stay out of our group. I would never go into the BS group and start.. "yeah yeah yeah.. " You have no self-awareness.

We have so many BS supporters Blocked because they are rude and cannot respect boundaries.. and that's just the tip of the iceberg.

And, yes I've already BLOCKED you. That's what happens when you go into a protected group and disrupt.

[Walk away]

13. Hard core Sanders supporters are just going slowly and painfully over the edge....

The recent miserable failure of their hero's "Splainin' Socialism" speech, the stagnant poll numbers, the lack of endorsements and the maddening fact that Hillary Clinton is virtually ignoring him, is enraging them.

The media has desperately tried to dress him up as a viable candidate and are finally having to admit they failed miserably.

I find Sanders to be a blowhard who has accomplished little but keeping open several underutilized post offices open. Nobody cared much about him before and he will be going back to oblivion soon enough. That's the really sad part. He is just a vehicle for their hatred and when he fails to give them the political blood they are after, they will dump him without a second thought.

[question everything]

17. One more thing

As you can see I don't use any avatar nor a signature line (probably don't even know how to use the last one).

I have yet to see a post which mocks a Bernie avatar. But it is amazing the number of posts that mock the Hillary logo, or other shapes, like having her on a Bernie T-shirt.

This, I think, more than others show how desperate they are. It is not enough to heap praise by words and symbols. They have to make some that mock Hillary.

[Walk away]

20. It's as if they all together make up one gigantic....

baby having a screaming, crying fit because they cannot have their way. "Waaa! I hate Hillary! She is BAAAAAADDDD!!! Let's call her hitler and use insulting graphics of her"!!!! In their defense, Bernie looks like a lunatic in most of his photos so they may be trying, unsuccessfully, to level the playing field.

I like when Sanders Supporters complain that Hillary is attacking Bernie when she is basically ignoring him and rarely even uses his name. They should get so lucky to have someone as famous as Hillary Clinton pay any attention to boring Bernie.

I honestly can't believe thousands of people go to listen to someone yelling my college paper on FDR and call it the modern definition of Socialism!!!! Does he have another speech? "Yada yada, I am FDR 2.0. Yada yada I have nothing specific to say about foreign policy! Yaya yada SHUT THE DOOR ON IT!"

[Rose Siding]

22. True and I hadn't even recognized that. They pervert her logos

and her face. I haven't seen a Hillary supporter do that.

I've read here she has blood dripping from her hands! wtF is that? If it's desperation, it's a new angry brand.

[Coolest Ranger]

14. It's mainly the reason

Why I don't post that much any more. The constant attacks, whining that people won't vote for her, the my way or the high way attitude, the placing all of us as Third Way Democrats and I'm still trying to figure out what that means. It's why I'm MIA during the primaries. I'll let my vote for Secretary Clinton speak for itself.

[freshwest]

19. Agree. n/t

[lunamagica]

15. They are desperate. They know he is losing, time is running out, so they

are lashing out.

The more they smear Hillary, le less I pay attention.

I've not put anyone on ignore (yet), but there are many names I don't bother to even click on their posts.

[BootinUp]

16. Yes, and I can't believe the Thatcher love either nt

[Rose Siding]

23. Who loves Thatcher?

[BootinUp]

24. Ok, possibly an exaggeration

but she was called a neoliberal and the same as HRC. Close enough for me. lol.

[mcar]

18. It is worse than anything I've seen here

I've been here since 2002 so that's saying something.

The insults to women, POC and others are particularly egregious.

[misterhighwasted]

28. Fringe Groups all sound the same as they realize they haven't a prayer of wining a Pres election

Libertarians were the same way when either of the two Pauls announced, Nader..same thing.
They are the angriest meanest most hate-filled nonprogressive lot in the USA.

I see it every single time.
Its difficult to distinguish them from the RWTPers. The hateful tactics are the same. I guess its because their candidate has nothing to offer that will stand on its own.
Attack & slander. If their candidate was truly as great as they say, they would never need to resort to the vile playbook of KKKarl Rove.
wtf else could drive them to such juvenile underhanded methods.
Its psychotic. Oh yes, I really want a Pres with a psychotic hate group for his base. SAID NO ONE EVER and I'd bet the whole farm that half the HRC haters on DU aren't Bernie supporters in the first place. Half would vote against Bernie & be the first ones to slander his name as they do Hillary Clinton, if Bernie was the GOP opponent in the GE.


A few more months & GDP will disappear along with the freeps & trolls that have jumped in to keep HRC from 2016. She is a threat to the RW trifecta & their Supreme Court Noms.
Thank god for this great brilliant woman of the people, here at home & around the world. As she has always been.
She is the best thing that could happen to our Nation.
HRC 2016

[Walk away]

47. misterhighwasted you are highminded too!

[misterhighwasted]

48. The big picture shows that until the primary is over & HRC

..takes on the daunting task of the RW challenger in the GE, what goes around & around in GDP is all ignorable.
GDP will be gone along with Hillarys noisy contenders.

The GE is where our unified Dem force will stand firm against the fascist RW.
President, Senate, House balanced this time with Dem support for HRC brings us a fair balance in our Supreme Court.
Until then, that's what we unite for.
HRC 2016

[Buzz Clik]

26. In previous primaries, the divisiveness and bickering were really bad.

But it was more like an intense rivalry. This stuff this year is really different.

"Hate" is the correct word, and those who despise HRC so deeply will feel totally lost if she wins the nomination.

[RBInMaine]

29. Sanders' heart is in the right place but yes, ZERO chance of being nominated or winning the general.

[NEDem]

30. It is worse than 2008 that is for sure.

Thing is I like what Bernie has to say, I agree with almost all of it. Hell I'd be happy to vote for him. I am very much a realist though. He's a great man, but he won't win a single primary and if he were to magically get the nomination he'd lose 40 -45 states. The repugs will beat him over the head with the 'socialist' label, and the uninformed electorate will eat it up. Hillary has shown she's is ready and I'm more than happy to support her.

[Steven the Somnolent]

40. There is definite Hillary-Hatred here

I am now seriously wondering if I've signed up to a truly "democratic" website.

[question everything]

41. Welcome to DU

which, normally is more tolerant and hospitable.

Still, there is a forum, listed on the left of the screen, called Ask the Administration.

Why not post this comment there?

It may take a while for a response but see what Skinner has to say about it.

[ronnykmarshall]

42. Doesn't shock me one bit.

The Hillary haters out number the actual Bernie supporters. This is same throw back from 2008 which was pretty vile at times. This is 100 times worse.

When the dust clears and Hillary wins the nomination there will be either a mass exit or mass banning.

[Hekate]

57. I can hardly wait

Sadly, based on past experience here, I can guarantee that once Hillary takes the oath of office (gods willing) they'll all come swimming out of the sewer to continue attacking her nonstop.

[question everything]

61. And, now they are attacking the Hillary supporters here

I was a juror on two posts that attacked the supporters. I rarely vote to hide a post, I usually recommend to rebut, but these two were really bad. One indeed, was hidden, the second survived but the thread itself was locked.

It was really pathetic, how a Sanders supporter has been combing the threads here, seeking the ones that raised questions about Sanders, and then posted all these with the links.

I was tempted to suggest that he leaves the board, take a walk outside (weather permitting), read a book or reconnect with friends and family, but was afraid that this would be hidden. How dare I telling another DUer what is good for him..

[Walk away]

62. They have nothing left. The press isn't even covering poor old Bernie anymore.

He may get a bump or a giggle in New Hampshire but he is basically done. He is pretty much being referred to as the "Late Senator Sanders" in the media.

The folks who are whining about not voting for Hillary were probably never going to vote for her. They are an angry little internet minority and will be forgotten very soon.

Let them twist in the wind. Sometimes I give a little poke to see them spin faster.

[Walk away]

44. Over 250 recs for how horrible, low and anti-Democratic we are for supporting Hillary Clinton.....

That's 250 shattered souls coming up on Super Tuesday! I have to admit, I can't wait to see them shot down in flames!!!!

Sanders supporters are just like him. Simplistic, loud and incredibly annoying. Thankfully, they make up a small percentage of the voting public.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/128076743

[question everything]

45. If it is any consolation a thred got 137 recs before it was shut off

was posted by "Catherina" who "said" goodbye by telling everyone here F**k you.

And she is a moderator on a forum, and, yes, a Bernista.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027366316

And I have to wonder why all these 137 are even on DU if they feel the same about other DUers.

[Walk away]

46. They actually make Teabaggers and Wing Nuts seem like reasonable folk!

The "Greatest" threads are never anti-Republican. It's all Hillary hate!
It's going to be really fun to watch them implode!

That tired-ass Socialism speech that Sanders gave while the rest of the world had moved on to global terrorism, left them with NOTHING. So now it's fake polls and hatred until February.

I get a kick out of them really. And sometimes it's fun to PTB!

[okasha]

49. I get the impression that large numbers of the hateful poster

are low achievers who find it difficult to obtain esteem--from others or even themselves--in real life. The Hillary hatred gives them a larger identity and instant access to an in-group. The more they attack Hillary, the firmer their membership in the group becomes, and the more approval they receive.

And at some point, the hate itself becomes the prize.

[BootinUp]

53. Makes sense nt

[Starry Messenger]

50. They are threatened by the change embodied by a woman President and are satisfied with status quo.

[OregonBlue]

52. I love Bernie but I sure as heck will vote for Hillary is she is the nominee. I am getting really

sick and tried of the infighting. I seldom bother to post any more and I refuse to read negative posts about either of them.

[Iliyah]

54. Everyday there are negative threads against HRC. Even pro-threads are being trashed

The Democratic Party is trashed. Gov. Edwards who just won LA is being trashed.

Ignore is a wonderful feature.

[Hekate]

58. Today, November 22, JFK got trashed. That showed real class, I have to say. nt

[ronnykmarshall]

59. No way?

Where ?

[question everything]

60. Here

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027373116

Was going to comment but there are already more than 140 replies.

One had to have lived in the that time, the hope and the pride that JFK brought when he was elected. No no one knows how his presidency would have ended but I remember on New Year eve 1969 - there were summaries about how much hope that decade started and how it ended. Vietnam, assassinations, Chicago convention, Nixon..

[applegrove]

56. Some GOP paid trolls are on the interest no doubt.

[drowefnp]

63. Here's some positive news on Hillary for a change

In the Quinnipiac poll from December 2, 2015, Clinton did well in the important metrics of favorability, trustworthiness and experience.



http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2015/12/6/1457521/-Hillary-ahead-in-Honest-Trustworthy-Metric

http://www.quinnipiac.edu/images/polling/us/us12022015_U45hkpp.pdf
Stay positive

[pnwmom]

64. Welcome to DU, drowefnp!