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BlueMTexpat

(15,365 posts)
Wed Jan 27, 2016, 10:55 AM Jan 2016

Enthusiasm gap? Youth gap?

Doesn't seem so to me.

These photos make me proud to work for Hillary Clinton’s campaign.

Last night, Bernie Sanders told the Washington Post that his campaign has “an excitement and energy that does not exist and will not exist in the Clinton campaign.”

That’s crazy—and more than a little insulting!

All across America, this team is turning out in droves to knock doors, make calls, and wait in line for hours for a chance to hear Hillary speak about her plans to make life better for American families. They inspire me every single day—take a look:


OK, it's Robbie Mook and one would hope that he is proud. But the enthusiasm, youth and diversity all look pretty darn genuine to me.

This time - WITH the link: https://www.hillaryclinton.com/feed/these-photos-make-me-proud-work-hillary-clintons-campaign/
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misterhighwasted

(9,148 posts)
1. Bernie exaggerates a lot of things. "free stuff for everyone"
Wed Jan 27, 2016, 11:19 AM
Jan 2016

"Pick me, everythings free! weeeeee!"

Ya know the saying, "If you repeat a lie often enough, people start thinking its true"

Well meet Brrnie Sanders!
This is how he's run his campaign for fools, from day one.

Can't wait till Hill kicks his ---.

Buh bye bernie . You may now retire to your Caribbean hidey hole.

Cary

(11,746 posts)
2. I don't know about Bernie, but his supporters have done nothing positive
Wed Jan 27, 2016, 11:25 AM
Jan 2016

They just sow discord and discontent, and scoff at voting for the Democratic nominee if it isn't their way. This isn't positive. This isn't inspirational. It's unnecessary and foolish.

We have to win this for one huge reason, among others. That reason is that we can change the current makeup of the judiciary. That is crucial if we want to move forward for the next 30 years. If we lose we get more of these horrific 5 -4 partisan power plays.

If that's not justification for enthusiasm for Democrats, what is?

FloridaBlues

(4,002 posts)
3. They will be eating crow come Monday night
Wed Jan 27, 2016, 12:14 PM
Jan 2016

So much for not going negitive he's hasn't stopped bashing her.
Their internal polling must have him down in Iowa and running scared

Cary

(11,746 posts)
4. FloridaBlues, the abuse from people isn't really about politics
Wed Jan 27, 2016, 12:19 PM
Jan 2016

The abuse comes from serious character flaws.

It will continue regardless and the abusers will continue to blame their victims. It is what they do.

question everything

(47,425 posts)
5. And enthusiams does not translate to delegates
Wed Jan 27, 2016, 02:49 PM
Jan 2016

From a WSJ story:

While winning loyal backers, the senator faces real hurdles. For one, his support in Iowa is concentrated in college towns, and a dominant showing in any given precinct or county doesn’t translate into additional delegates. The most recent Des Moines Register-Bloomberg Politics poll found Mr. Sanders just two points behind Mrs. Clinton statewide, but 27% of his backers came from just three counties that are home to Iowa’s big universities. Those counties will account for just 14% of delegates awarded.

and

The campaign also must persuade people to attend caucuses who have never gone before. The Register poll found Mr. Sanders was strongest with younger voters, political independents and people who have never caucused before—three groups that are least likely to turn out. The Sanders campaign is working to train volunteers so they can explain the process to newcomers.

After Iowa comes New Hampshire, where polls show Mr. Sanders, from a neighboring state, is ahead. Then comes a swath of states where Mrs. Clinton has the edge.

Presidential historian Douglas Brinkley said he suspects Mr. Sanders won’t have the staying power of Mr. Obama, chiefly because of his poor standing among minority voters in later states. Mr. Sanders comes from a state that is overwhelmingly white and came to the race with few ties to black voters.

http://www.wsj.com/articles/for-bernie-sanders-iowa-caucus-holds-the-key-1453770578

BlueMTexpat

(15,365 posts)
8. Dean's 2004 loss in Iowa
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 05:42 AM
Jan 2016

literally broke my heart. It still hurts.

But Bernie is no Howard Dean. For one thing, Dean did not suddenly become a Dem in 2004. Dean also had executive experience, which Bernie never has. Bernie has gone his own way - always - even though he caucuses with Dems.

Tarheel_Dem

(31,220 posts)
9. This was not a dig at Howard Dean. My point, simply, was that "enthusiasm" doesn't necessarily....
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 03:54 PM
Jan 2016

translate to electoral success. I would gladly have voted for Dean in the GE.

BlueMTexpat

(15,365 posts)
10. Hi Tarheel_Dem!
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 07:30 PM
Jan 2016

I'm sorry if my comments came across as thinking that you were taking a "dig" at Howard. I did not mean that at all.

What I think that I was trying to say was that the enthusiasm for Howard Dean was somewhat different from the enthusiasm that Bernie generates today. In 2004, Howard was the ONLY Dem candidate who was saying what many of us believed that ALL Dems should be saying in those horrible Bush-Cheney years. He struck a chord among all of us who were still outraged by the 2000 "selection," by the total dropping of the ball that made 9-11 possible, by the war in Afghanistan (I am likely among the minority who strongly opposed that war from the get-go), but especially by the outright lies that led to the invasion of Iraq in 2003.

You are absolutely right that the enthusiasm for Dean wasn't enough to translate into electoral votes. That is a very sad truth.

The enthusiasm of some - certainly not all - SBS supporters borders on mania. I actually find that frightening and very much hope that it does NOT translate to electoral votes at the expense of a much stronger candidate overall, i.e., Hillary.

Tarheel_Dem

(31,220 posts)
11. I certainly understood, and still do, the excitement around Dean in the horrible Bush years.
Thu Jan 28, 2016, 07:59 PM
Jan 2016

Besides that, Dean would never have actively sought out a primary opponent to a sitting Democratic president. Afterall, he is/was an actual "Democrat".

As I said before, I would gladly have supported Dean had he been successful in the primaries. However, I'm going to have to dig really deep to vote for a guy who is not a "democrat", and up to this point has taken much pride in the fact that he was not affiliated with the Democratic party. It smacks of opportunism, and strikes me more than a bit disingenuous.

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