Dancing in the Ashes

[Treant]

I was just told by a Bernie supporter on another forum, "I don't care if he burns the Democratic Party to the ground and dances in the ashes, if it'll get him to the presidency."

It struck a thought, of what percentage of supporters are carpetbagging in the party just like their candidate is?

And for that matter, whether Bernie (and supporters) could even do such a thing if he's running in the Democratic party? My overall answer is no. Party structure is more than strong enough to withstand a blow like that, even on the very off chance that he manages the nomination (five percent at best).

However, I found this enlightening...and another reason to simply walk away from arguments. Mrs. Clinton, like President Obama, is apparently blessed in the quality of her opponents.

[Cha]

1. Poor things.. so desperate so delusional.

[Treant]

3. If anything,

it strengthened my resolve to work for a Clinton Presidency. Perfect? Of course not, nobody is. Better than that? Uh...yeah, no brainer.

[workinclasszero]

2. We will see who is in ashes

come Super Tuesday.

[kjones]

9. His campaign will be Burnie Cinders....

...I'll be here all week!

[workinclasszero]

10. They will be feeling the BURN

[yallerdawg]

4. I can 'blog' with like-minded progressive liberal Democrats.

If I wanted to flame war with 'others' I wouldn't be at Democratic Underground.

So why are we pinned down in Hillary Clinton Group? Or on 'timeout'?

Or leaving DU en masse?

"Burning the Democratic Party" sounds about right!

[Treant]

6. We're pinned down

But Primary season always brings out the fringes. The weather should clear after Super Tuesday.

[NurseJackie]

5. I don't know the answer to that question (percentage-wise) ...

... but I can tell you that just today, I read a post from a Bernie fan who was quite blunt and emphatic about the fact that he/she was NOT a Democrat, and identified as a "Green" party member.

I'm sure that linking directly to the post would get me a hide. (That's why I'm being vague and not even mentioning this person's gender or user ID.)

Still, I thought it was interesting to note that this particular Bernie supporter was (in all likelihood) a Nader supporter as well. I don't know for sure, but based on the self-proclaimed party identification, it's highly probable.

I've often wondered why it seemed to be so easy, almost second-nature, for so many of Bernie's fans (particularly the "Bernie-or-Bust" variety) to take such pride and delight in declaring their intentions to never vote for Hillary, under any circumstances ... even at the risk of a GOP presidency. (Supposedly, this was to teach a lesson... or to "burn down the house" so that it could be rebuilt better than before.)

I must admit, I don't fully understand the motivation of some individuals.



Note to Jury: No person was identified in this post. It's not a call-out. I didn't even quote another person, it was simply a paraphrase of the ideas that the person expressed. I am not criticizing or slamming or insulting this anonymous person. I'm simply expressing that I believe their comments were noteworthy and interesting to me.

[Treant]

7. The more I hear

The more I notice that the horseshoe hypothesis seems to be born out.

He's attracting some from the very far right as well as the very far left, but like any good bell curve, the extrema of both don't sum to more than 20% or so.

The remainder of the support seems to be slightly less far left Democrats, certainly few centrists.

Which is weird, I'm actually very far left on social issues (if you don't make me do it, use it to limit my right to do what I wish, and don't drive or operate machinery under the influence, I don't care what you do). I'm more moderate on monetary issues (I support everything you'd think I would, but don't believe in throwing cash at harebrained schemes without an excellent writeup beforehand and a way to back out).

And yet I'm an incredibly solid Hillary Clinton supporter. She's more moderate centrist than I am by far...but she's also expressed party loyalty, grace under fire, and vast skill at governance.

Philosophy ain't everything.

[Hekate]

11. +1

[Thinkingabout]

8. I wonder about why people would like to destroy the party which has enacted SS, Medicare and ACA.

Doesn't make any sense, especially when some want to perhaps rename the party.

[Hekate]

12. One wonders, doesn't one