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FrenchieCat

(68,867 posts)
Fri Feb 5, 2016, 07:32 PM Feb 2016

The Tale of Two Democratic Candidates and the General election-2016 Edition aka Let it Sink In!

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Look, I like both candidates, but believe that Hillary Clinton is the most qualified, bar none, and due to her Foreign policy chops, is also the best well rounded, even when comparing her to anyone on the Republican field. Her qualifications allows to knock down any unforeseen and unplanned foreign policy disaster that may occur anytime between now and November. We do not control these occurrences, so we certainly shouldn't naively act like nothing will happen, because one can only win if one is totally prepared in case it does.

I am quite concerned with those on Bernie's side who constantly sell the notion that Republicans will come out just to vote against Hillary....as many don't apparently want to understand that what would invigorate a large Republican turnout EVEN MORE than Hillary Clinton running, is a Radical Socialist calling for revolution and running on the premise of redistributing the wealth by taxing for spending and growing government bigger than ever before seen (which is exactly how they will frame Bernie Sanders, most likely even worse....unfortunately) and it would be true.

Also, I find that Bernie's approach of continuously holding up all other European countries as the shining beacon as to what the US should be, is flawed, as it incites the opposition (as much as they seem to be down in America) to become that much more nationalistic. That is not the best approach to get more Americans to vote for you.

The person who will win the presidency, is the person who isn't downing this country so much, and instead provides an optimistic message that, under Obama we have done much better considering where we were, and that we should build on that, as we can make this country even better. A positive frame, much more worthy than day in, day out, highlighting only how terrible this country has become...which is already the GOP's message. As well, Sanders proposing to re-fight healthcare, an issue that has so divided this country is chancy at best, and a dangerous calculation at worse. It only generates that much more zeal for Republicans to come out in droves....because now they are fighting a real government type healthcare like what they attempted to say Obamacare is, when it ain't.

The bottomline is that this a much more important election than some want to admit, which is why so I don't understand the so many who are saying if it ain't Sanders, I'm not voting. They are more invested in teaching everyone a lesson, than caring about how their action will only directly hurt the exact people that Bernie Sanders is supposed to be so passionate about helping. In addition, it is a divisive statement that almost sounds like blackmail. Of course voting or not voting is everyone's right, but to use it as a bludgeon is totally unhelpful to Sanders' cause d'etre!

AND from both candidates, we need to hear much more on the "HOWs" they plan on making the changes they promise. Anytime Bernie highlights a problem, and promises what he'll give us, I always scream at my TV screen....BUT HOW will you do this? Yes, I know; Sanders' offerings sound awfully good, but it simply isn't enough to propose what's wrong and what would be better, if one cannot specifically provide a reasonable plan of HOW all of this legislation would occur to make these awesome changes, besides an unreliable Radical Revolution.

As for this Revolution...it could certainly continue regardless of who the nominee is, and in fact encouraged, as it shouldn't be solely about Bernie having to be President in order to change things.

AND, we should be taking note that, in Iowa anyways, voting was down by 30% for Democrats and up 50% for the Republicans, and that was with the Radical Revolutionary guy on the ticket....so there's that.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1146153

I'm thinking that young people, the most unreliable voting bloc there is, have only experienced how easy it is to win, but that's because they primarily remember Obama; but neither Sanders nor Clinton are Obama.

If you want to know my opinion about who will be the GOP Candidate, something I wrote some time back, and have been saying for months, here it is: http://www.democraticunderground.com/110738863

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The Tale of Two Democratic Candidates and the General election-2016 Edition aka Let it Sink In! (Original Post) FrenchieCat Feb 2016 OP
K & R Thinkingabout Feb 2016 #1
K & R EileenFB Feb 2016 #2
Just as an aside to your excellent post and to one of your points, justhanginon Feb 2016 #3
He'll be a full on Radical Commie by the time they are through.... FrenchieCat Feb 2016 #5
K&R dlwickham Feb 2016 #4
K&R Gothmog Feb 2016 #6
I think that is exactly how the GOP will portray him. spooky3 Feb 2016 #7
and then the rest of the campaign won't be about issues, it will be about.... FrenchieCat Feb 2016 #9
K&R asuhornets Feb 2016 #8
I'll vote for Bernie if he gets the nomination bluestateguy Feb 2016 #10
I would.. HillDawg Feb 2016 #17
K&R sheshe2 Feb 2016 #11
Concur 40RatRod Feb 2016 #12
Agree with every single word, except "I like both candidates". I won't even pretend in that regard. Tarheel_Dem Feb 2016 #13
Agreed. Dawson Leery Feb 2016 #14
Much like Donald Trump, BS' only calling card is bombast. The only difference BS & Trump... Tarheel_Dem Feb 2016 #16
I agree with this. okasha Feb 2016 #18
Thank you, FrenchieCat! Hillary is the best candidate for President who will carry on President Cha Feb 2016 #15

justhanginon

(3,289 posts)
3. Just as an aside to your excellent post and to one of your points,
Fri Feb 5, 2016, 07:59 PM
Feb 2016

our local news fox affiliate on a story feed from Fox News a few days ago referred in the story to Bernie Sanders as "a self avowed socialist". First time I had heard that. You can see where this is going if he would get the nomination. Not a good thing.

FrenchieCat

(68,867 posts)
5. He'll be a full on Radical Commie by the time they are through....
Fri Feb 5, 2016, 08:10 PM
Feb 2016

You know it and I know it.

That is how they operate, so hopefully, it won't come as a surprise!

FrenchieCat

(68,867 posts)
9. and then the rest of the campaign won't be about issues, it will be about....
Fri Feb 5, 2016, 08:26 PM
Feb 2016

No, I'm not

Yes, you are

No, I'm not

Yes, you are

No, I'm not

Yes, you are

bluestateguy

(44,173 posts)
10. I'll vote for Bernie if he gets the nomination
Fri Feb 5, 2016, 08:26 PM
Feb 2016

Because I won't allow anybody to accuse me of being the reason that he loses a 47 state landslide.

 

HillDawg

(198 posts)
17. I would..
Sat Feb 6, 2016, 02:58 PM
Feb 2016

vote for him because he is still far better than any of those extremely far right wingers the Democrats will be running against.

Tarheel_Dem

(31,222 posts)
13. Agree with every single word, except "I like both candidates". I won't even pretend in that regard.
Fri Feb 5, 2016, 10:12 PM
Feb 2016

Excellent essay.

Tarheel_Dem

(31,222 posts)
16. Much like Donald Trump, BS' only calling card is bombast. The only difference BS & Trump...
Sat Feb 6, 2016, 02:38 PM
Feb 2016

is money, or the lack thereof. I fear the party, and our nominee, will be significantly damaged after this. And for that, I despise him.

okasha

(11,573 posts)
18. I agree with this.
Sat Feb 6, 2016, 05:17 PM
Feb 2016

I started out liking Sanders just fine; now....no.

Otherwise, Frenchie's dead on. This is one of the best expositions of Sanders' weaknesses I've seen.

Cha

(296,870 posts)
15. Thank you, FrenchieCat! Hillary is the best candidate for President who will carry on President
Fri Feb 5, 2016, 11:16 PM
Feb 2016

Obama's legacy and the Progress we have already made the last 7 years!


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#BernieSanders strategy to diminish @POTUS @BarackObama -
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http://theobamadiary.com/2016/02/03/the-presidents-history-making-day/

This is one of my major issues.

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