It has been brought to our attention that Hillary's Group has been called out in the BS Group.

[Cha]

So just to be clear..

I won't post a link like they did.. but the crux of the call out is that we have so many more Blocked posters than they do.. that we are "intolerant of Democrats.." lol

We have more Blocked intruders because more bern fans come in here to disrupt.

The thread doesn't mention that anytime anyone goes into their group without 100% fealty to bernie sanders.. they get Blocked, too.

They have their group and the whole rest of the board to bash Hillary.. we have our Group to get away from all that. And the ones who come in here can't stand even that.

P.S. If you don't like being replied to when you can't reply back.. here's a clue.. don't come in here in the first place. Don't set yourself up to be blocked.

Mahalo, Hillary's Group~

[kjones]

1. Revolution!

As in "are we revolving, because I swear, I've seen this all before."

[Cha]

3. "You say you want a revolution.."

kjones

[misterhighwasted]

29. Hillary knows how to "change the world" & she's got a resume to prove it.

They should play this great & appropriate song at the August Dem Convention right after her acceptance speech.

Madam President, Hillary Clinton

[Cha]

31. Hillary does have the resume to prove she can change the world, mister!

I cannot wait!

[misterhighwasted]

33. Me Too Cha!!! Our First Female President..e v e r

And we are part of it!!!
- on

[Rose Siding]

2. This group's been here lots longer too, right? More time to block bashers

That makes a difference. Thanks for helping to keep the place going

[Cha]

7. Longer but the giant influx has come since Hillary threw her hat in the ring for POTUS..

There's been an extraordinary amount of disruptors 24/7.

Mahalo, Rose~

[Andy823]

68. I have noticed that also Cha

More and more "new" posters show up and the vast majority start out on their first post bashing Hillary. What are the odds of that being a coincidence?

I also have seen so called Bernie "supporters" bragging about being banned by the Hillary group. They consider it a badge of honor I guess. Actually the Bernie group has 3 outlets to trash and bash in. The GDP, the Bernie Sanders group, and we can't forget their "populist reform of the Democratic party" group, where the "anyone but Hillary" party began here on DU.

[Cha]

69. Right, Andy.. but, we're the ones who are "intolerant of Democrats".. no not really.

[brer cat]

4. Most of us don't go to the Bernie

group under any circumstance, certainly not to be disruptive. They do come here hence the block.

[Cha]

10. Exactly, brer cat.. I put the BS group in the trash.. long ago. I would never go into their

space. I respect their boundaries.

Just askin' for a little reciprocity.

[Tarheel_Dem]

85. Hell, I'd wager that "most of us" trashed the BS Group so as not to be tempted. n/t

[BlueCaliDem]

131. Yep. But I did it mostly not to wander in uninvited. eom

[all american girl]

94. I got banned from there...remember folks, don't ask questions, it's just too much

[MADem]

5. The people griping also don't seem to realize that the Hillary Clinton group has been here for EIGHT

YEARS or more.

The Sanders group is less than a year old.

Let's divide the number of blocks by the the number of years in existence, and see which group comes out on top!

Let's also see how many of these blocked beauties are now known as "NAME REMOVED."

I got blocked from that group because one of the self-important hosts didn't like the fact that I corrected someone who claimed that no one was covering a Bernie event. To correct the person, I PROVIDED A LINK TO LIVE COVERAGE. The excuse given was that I wasn't sufficiently "supportive" of Sanders. I assume I was "insufficiently supportive" because I refused to go along with the prevailing touting of a complete falsehood.

At the time, I had an open mind towards his candidacy--I wasn't judging him by his supporters.

Now, if his policies aren't pipe-dreamy enough, his supporters totally ice my cake. I have a hard time telling the difference between them and the crew that favors Trump...the "brook no dissent" attitude is beyond offensive to me. That's not at all big D Democratic, IMO. They want everyone who doesn't adore Bernie out of the Big Tent. They'll find themselves out in a field in a pup tent if they keep that attitude up.

[Cha]

13. So true MADem.. but the giant influx of disruptors came after

Hillary started her campaign for POTUS.

So many everyday for almost a year now.. and then all the years before.. it certainly does add up to over 500 blocked.

There's no spin to make that look good for them.

Thank you!

[fleabiscuit]

56. Excellent point. eom

[sheshe2]

118. I don't see their attitude changing anytime soon MADem.

Pup tent it will be.

Except for the groups, this place is painful to read. 24/7 hate fest.

[MADem]

119. It's a shame.

This place used to be great. Now it's just a pie fight.

[Basic LA]

6. Why would they need a group?

They have the whole site!

[Cha]

15. Well they have a group so no one else can post on threads except BS fans.

Just like we do.. only too many of them don't respect our boundaries.

[okasha]

124. They also ban BS fans,

even one of their Hosts, if they dare think a bit outside the lines of group orthodoxy. We don't do that.

[Cha]

129. I know they block BS fans.. but, they Blocked a host? lol

Mahalo, okasha!

[okasha]

136. You have mail.

[Cha]

137. Mahalo!

[pandr32]

8. Yep!

We are a threat to the single minded Bernsters. By us existing nearby they feel that threat, yet we are all over this country--not just on these pages, and our Democratic perspective of a greater good, rather than one of ideological purity, threatens them--because their ideological purity cannot exist within a real democracy.
We want to challenge patriarchy, too, and address social inequality--not just economic inequality.

[Cha]

16. I say pandr.. well said!

[pandr32]

20. Thank you!

Wishing you an awesome day

[Cha]

21. Backatcha!

Lots of Sunshine!

[BlueCaliDem]

9. I don't know any Hillary Clinton Group member who goes into the BS Group. Why would we?

Most of us - including me - have been banned before we even found this group. Some are still posting in the GDP and GD and not a part of this Group and maybe they're the ones wading into the BS Group. I don't see any reason to wade in there myself. None. Nada. And since being banned months ago and before coming here, I haven't been back since I've trashed that group so I won't have to see them and accidentally enter.

But we continuously get Berners posting here attacking Hillary Clinton and/or her supporters - and then claim they didn't know they were in the Hillary Clinton Group. Ya, right. The moment you click on the Reply button, you can see the name of the Forum of Group right under the Reply Title - just like I do now. Most Berners are even given the chance to either delete their post or just go away, and the vast majority decide to post another nasty response instead before they're banned.

We are just too nice, Cha. But that's how we ride! Mahalo for keeping it real here!

[Cha]

18. Sometimes I don't feel very nice when I see a BS fan posting in our Group..

I don't go into gdp any more because I can't stand the constant bashing.. and when it comes in here.. I may see red.. lol

I thank all the Hillary Group Hosts too!

BlueCali~

[BlueCaliDem]

112. Cha, you're always nice! Even when you mete out punishment. :-)

[Cha]

113. Thank you, BlueCali.. I don't

think they see it that way, though.

[BlueCaliDem]

114. You're welcome - and it's from the heart.

That they can't see it that way is their problem, but objectively speaking, even when I feel you're a little perturbed, you're still nice. I've been a lot less nice at times, so I'd know. lol

[WI_DEM]

11. So more bs from the BS group?

[Cha]

23. ...

hmmm!

[stonecutter357]

12. K&R!

[Cha]

26. Mahalo stonecutter!

[GusBob]

14. "Intolerant to Democrats" what a fricking joke

A LIFELONG INDEPENDENT IS WHAT???

It has come to my attention that they are openly quoting Ralph Nader now

[Ellen Forradalom]

17. Quelle surprise n/t

[Cha]

27. lol... hey GusBob.. it has just come to my attention the

OP calling us out has been deleted.. so that's good.

But, it gave me a chance to set the record straight on why we have so darn many Blocks here in our Hillary Group.

[GusBob]

30. Thats good they did the right thing

I don't click there so thanks for the update

[Cha]

32. I didn't click, either.. someone was nice enough to let me know.

[hamsterjill]

19. I was banned from the Bernie Group.

Early on, and I mean MONTHS ago, I answered a post in the Sanders group and honestly didn't even realize that I was in a group because I believe I viewed the message from the Greatest Page. My reply was completely and utterly mundane.

I was banned without explanation. So my conclusion was that the moderators of that group weren't interested in any meaningful exchange but were, rather, only interested in posts that completely agree with their views.

THAT is not why I come to a DISCUSSION board. I come here to discuss; not to be indoctrinated.

[Starry Messenger]

22. I have that group trashed.

I only peek there when someone sends me something of extraordinary silliness.

[Cha]

28. I trashed it a long time ago.. not interested.

Now if they would only follow suit.

Starry!

[bravenak]

101. Me too

[Cha]

117. Hey girl, I just spotted you in this thread..

Yay.

[GusBob]

25. In 3 months or so it wont matter will it?

we will still be here, now wont we?

[Cha]

35. Can't wait.. good luck to us all on Saturday!

[LexVegas]

34. There's a BS group? nt

[Cha]

36. There is indeed, Lex..

[Godhumor]

37. Now we need cool one liners for blocking

You've been BLOCKED harder than the Lego Star Destroyer

Welcome to Cell BLOCK HRC

I hope you like volleyball, because you've just been BLOCKED

[Cha]

89. I like that.. "You've been Blocked". so the rest of the group knows that can't come back.

[Gothmog]

38. K&R

[hueymahl]

39. While I understand the need for various groups, and the need to block

It sure does seem very high-schoolish (maybe middle-schoolish) when you step back a little.

I've been blocked already from the Bernie group, not that I care, otherwise I would be posting this there also.

Going to be glad when the silly season is over. There are a lot of of people, over-represented by bernie fans, who I hope are going to look back at their posts from this period and cringe.

[Cha]

41. No it doesn't. They have the whole rest of the board to bash Hillary. This place is off limits.

If they come in here to disrupt.. they get blocked.

[mcar]

40. How sad for them

[Cha]

44. You don't know the half of it .. lol

mcar!

[rpannier]

42. This part you got oh so very right

The thread doesn't mention that anytime anyone goes into their group without 100% fealty to bernie sanders.. they get Blocked, too.

As you know, I am supporting Sen Sanders (nothing wrong with HRC) and I got blocked

Most annoying part, they never gave a reason

My attitude is, 'Oh well'

Someone came up with the term 'Frienemies' = Friends who disagree on something, but are still friends and when all is done move on and come together. I try and keep that thought

Take care Cha

[Cha]

43. Thanks for the personal verification, rpannier!

You take care, too

[Treant]

45. So let's see.

Outnumbered six to one by Bernie supporters.

This group has been here for eight years, as opposed to the one year or so for the Bernie group.

We seem to be slightly better about not invading Bernie-Space than they are about invading Hillary-Space.

So logic would dictate far greater than six times the number of blocks here by far. Not having the data in front of me, I can't tell you what the proportion is (and being completely incurious, I'm not going to bother).

[Cha]

47. But, we're "intolerant of Democrats".. that's their math.

[Treant]

49. Yep.

Their commentary here doesn't exactly bear that out, does it?

[Cha]

53. Not quite.

[Chichiri]

98. Bernie's not a Democrat, and neither are a huge fraction of BSers. nt

[Cha]

108. Got that.

[BlueCaliDem]

132. Totally spot on! eom

[fun n serious]

46. They can dish it out but can't take it..

Just like their candidate.

[Cha]

54. Perfect, fun n serious.

[Lil Missy]

48. There are more BS'ers than in the Hillary camp. So obviously there would be more of them blocked

And about being "intolerant of Democrats", I think they have that backwards. Sanders is not a Democrat. It's the Hillary supporters who are the Democrats, and the BS'ers are so far left fringe they are the Tea Party of the left.

And I'll be glad when this board returns to Democrats after Super Tuesday.

[Cha]

55. So will I, Lil Missy!

[peggysue2]

50. The Blocked & the Blockheads

I'm new to the site, so I don't know the history of this blocking war. But I have read enough dishonest and misleading headlines from the front page and elsewhere to know that Saint Bernard's online supporters are completely adverse to facts and figures and are quick to shout down any & all criticism.

As far as being 'intolerant of Democrats?' This is par for the course. They take their own activity and name-calling and direct it towards Hillary supporters. It's actually reminiscent of GOP strategy, 101: repeat the Big Lie frequently enough and the peeps will believe it.

Until they don't.

HILLARY 2016
"I am not a one issue candidate . . ."

[Cha]

58. You may be new to the board, peggysue.. but, you sure have their number.

So true.. everything you wrote.

Thank you!

[sheshe2]

122. Welcome!

[George II]

51. No biggie - the OP poster got a snearing post hidden and then self-deleted.

[Cha]

60. Thank you, George! And, the silver lining is.. I got to set the record straight once and for

all on why Hillary's Group has to Block so many posters.

[George II]

62. Actually "per capita" there are waaay fewer blocks in this group than the Sanders group....

....(I think this is what you said there?)

The owner of this site admits that Sanders supporters outnumber Clinton supporters by about 6-1. So all things being equal there would be SIX times more blocks in the Clinton group, but there are only about two times more. That means that Clinton hosts are one-third less likely to ban than Sanders hosts.

[fleabiscuit]

52. I want a hammer! n/t

[still_one]

57. Whether we are in Special Groups or general forums, all posts are listed in "Latest Threads"

for everyone to see. It would be nice if for no other reason than just being respectful to one's adversaries, would be a breath of fresh air

[Cha]

64. Yes, there are a few of those and they are very much appreciated..

Mahalo stillone~

[uppityperson]

105. I was blocked in the Bernie group for pointing out that using rude nasty insulting language to compl

complain about rude nasty insulting language seemed hypocritical and civility was more appreciated. I try to not use such language because it doesn't help anything.

[Tarc]

59. I didn't even know there were group forums til I was blocked from the BS one

Clicked on a linked discussion from the main page, either Trending or Greatest, critiqued someone's pro-BS post, and *BOOM*.

It's kinda sad that they're furious about only owning 90% of the forum, with this last 10% really getting under their skin it seems....

[fleabiscuit]

63. I hope you don't mind but, LOL

I knew but thought I was posting something innocuous and BAM the hammer came down. One and done. lol

[Cha]

66. They'll just have to learn to deal, Tarc..

[DaveT]

61. As a Sanders supporter

I say that this is your turf and we should not come here to mix it up with you.

On both sides there is the gray area when "inside" posts" make the front page.


How do you temporary opponents feel about that scenario?

[fleabiscuit]

65. It's really not going to affect us. eom

[kracer20]

67. Fix the Forum?

I wonder if it would be possible for posts from these private groups to be excluded from making the Greatest Page?

[Treant]

70. I like that.

It was how I found the Hillary Clinton group, once I started paying attention to the group names up top!

[Cha]

71. No. We don't want that. Posters just have to figure out where they are. It's posted right about

this Reply Title "Hillary Clinton Group".

[Stuckinthebush]

72. I was blocked there

My crime? Accidentally posting that the Georgia state senator who switched allegiance to Sanders wasn't a super delegate. I immediately saw that I was in the Bernie group and removed my post with an apology.

No tolerance. But, I didn't care. Why would I want to post in the Bernie group and why would they want to post here?

[Cha]

74. Well I'm glad he's not a super delegate! We've recinded Blocks here if the poster really

wants it and deletes their posts.

And, we've let some back in who really wanted it.. but, mostly they just come to disrupt.

[TBF]

73. Thankfully the author self-deleted -

as I stated in that thread (as a Sanders supporter) I thought the OP was missing a key element. Of course the HC group may block more individuals, but that is because DU itself has many more members supporting Sanders. It's just a numbers thing.

I think it's fair to assume that there are folks who unintentionally reply to threads without realizing which group they are in (that happens in our socialist progressives group sometimes). And of course there are a few who come to DU only with intentions to stir the pot.

~ Solidarity

[Orrex]

75. I was blocked from that open-minded group for the following:

I like Sanders and pretty much everything I've heard him say.

Regardless of their nominal intent, I find messianic allusions off-putting.

At least, I think that's what did it. That was my most inflammatory post that I could find in that group.

[Cha]

76. That would definitely do it.. we've had a few in here alluding to Hillary that way. lol

[lunamagica]

77. K&R. I trashed the Sanders group. Never go there. Why can't they just leave us alone?

[Cha]

78. Maybe they will after all this, lunamagica?

Can hope?

[lunamagica]

79. Let's hope, Cha!

[thelordofhell]

80. Conspiracy theories from the Bernie Sanders group???

I'm shocked I tell you, shocked.........

[Cha]

81. LOL No Shite!

lordofhell

[Fla Dem]

82. Preach it sister! or brother! Truth will prevail.

Hugs right back at ya. You've been a save harbor in the storm.

[Cha]

83. That's sistah sistah!

Glad you're part of our group, Fla Dem!

[Tarheel_Dem]

84. They're making very liberal use of the once despised BOG & AA forums as well. I trashed GDP & BS...

group to get away from that. There's no place left.

[Cha]

86. I just stick to the Groups now, Tarheel.. the ones you mentioned. Life is so much

better!

[sheshe2]

123. That is exactly where I am at as well!

BS was trashed long ago.

[Cha]

128. Gee, I wonder why, she? Let's just leave it at that. If I gave my opinion

as to why I don't like to go into the big GDP.. I would get alerted on and chance of hide.. because my opinion is ugly.

We have great groups, though.. and they're getting even more populated with awesome supporters who don't want to deal with the crap anymore than we do.

she Thank you!

[oasis]

87. Nuisances. This is protected domain. They're not satisfied

with having only the Bernie Forum and GD-P to frolick in their fantasyfest.

[Cha]

88. Don't forget GD! But, our little group fascinates them... we know

because of all the hidden posts.

We're well monitored. Whereas I could give a shite what they say in their group.

Aloha oasis!

[DemonGoddess]

90. I've been more of a lurker at DU

for many years. But you know, THIS incarnation, with the utter disregard for members who don't believe as they do? That made it so I avoid GD like the plague now.

heh, "Intolerant of Democrats". So we're intolerant of ourselves now, are we?

Thank you again, those of you who admin this group! LOVE having a place to come and actually DISCUSS things!

[Cha]

91. Good point DemonGoddess.. We just can't tolerate ourselves.. 'cause we be the Dems!

Welcome to our Group~

[jmowreader]

92. How long will it take them to hide THIS thread?

[Cha]

93. ..

[wildeyed]

95. That is rich,

considering their candidate's words about Democrats

I do not even read their forum, much less try to post there. Once or twice I did ACCIDENTALLY through the Latest page, but managed to self-delete in time. Seems pretty tolerant to me.

[Cha]

110. It was a most accusatory post.. I just pointed out one aspect.. it was quite ugly.

It has now been self-deleted.. but the silver lining is I got to get it out why we have more blocked posters.

Mahalo wildeyed

[OilemFirchen]

96. An interesting stat for the Sanders group:

They have 500% more blocked posters than the AA group - which has been around forever and whose members have taken more abuse than any others.

That speaks volumes.

[SunSeeker]

97. Wow. Maybe the AA Group should start blocking more.

There has been a lot of alert stalking in the AA Group. Sadly, it has silenced some fine voices in the past.

[OilemFirchen]

99. Kudos to them for their patience and thick skin.

The upside? AA group will still be here long after the Berniacs become a footnote's ibid.

[SunSeeker]

100. Unfortunately, the disrupters come in and cause reactions to their bullshit, then alert.

The juries then hide those natural and understandable reactions by AA Group members.

Classic case in point: 1SBM's recent hide.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1187&pid=40490

[DemonGoddess]

102. That hide was inexcusable

Absolute and utter rubbish, since 1SBM was reacting to BLATANT racism. So...they're (the AA group) just supposed to roll over and take it, right?

Because they can't possibly THINK for themselves, and ye gods, they dislike having racial slurs thrown at 'em! *gasps* what IS the world coming to?

[Cha]

115. Thank you for this, SunSeeker.. I knew about the bogus hide and hoping it would get

rescinded like bravenak's for the same reason. So, this is really great that DSB made this thread.

It appears like it's not doing any good though according to this post from 1StrongBlackMan.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1187&pid=41130

[sheshe2]

125. That was a sick hide.

AA seems to be one of the groups most attacked. Sad, because there members are some of the kindest DU has to offer.

Love ya SunSeeker!

[Cha]

135. Speaking of sick hides..

That was a bogus hide the overloads just gave you, she.

I'm so sorry.. I wouldn't even have started this thread if there hadn't been an OP in the BS group calling us out for being "intolerant".



she

[Cha]

111. The AA community is very patient with those who post in their group.

[NYC Liberal]

103. So I was curious about this. And here's a fact:

Only 5 of the blocked members of the BS Group are PPR'd or Flagged for Review.

43 the blocked members of the Hillary Group are either PPR'd or Flagged for Review.

The Hillary Group has about 2 times the number of blocked members as the BS Group does -- but we have 9 times as many banned trolls among our blocked as they do among theirs.

[mcar]

106. That is a disturbing statistic

[Cha]

120. Oh, Thank you for that, NYC Liberal! Yeah, what about all those trolls coming into our Hillary

Group?!! What's up with that? lol

[sheshe2]

126. Interesting stats.

Speaks volumes!

[asuhornets]

104. Much love...

[NBachers]

107. I like Sanders- I may vote for him- but the "Home" page sure doesn't feel like home to me now.

I scan all the titles and subjects, and all I see is a pack of Hillary - hating jackals. This election was looking pretty good for the Democrats; but these shrieking hate-baiters are going to lose it for us. The Democratic Party's going to be so torn apart that they won't be able to rally for the general election. They're going to hand it to the republicans.

It was probably their intention all along.

[Dawson Leery]

109. The Naderites have hijacked the Democratic party.

[Stuckinthebush]

116. They helped so much in 2000

Destruction or bust!

[sheshe2]

127. K&R!

Thanks Cha. A most illuminating thread!

[Cha]

130. Thank you, she~

Our Hillary Group.. We only have the Brightest and the Best

[fleabiscuit]

133. Kick, I hope they spell my name right, the 'biscuit' part is tricky. eom

[Cha]

134. Yes, I've noticed.. that is tricky!

I just call you flea.

[fleabiscuit]

138. Kick...

I detect a disturbance in the farce. There are echoes in the bros hall.