Tue Feb 23, 2016, 01:24 PM
SunShine22 (47 posts)
"Senator, you are forming a mob of angry ...."
Article in Huff today:
You have been a lifelong champion of human equality. You have kept economic inequality, an issue I care very deeply about, at the forefront of an election cycle that might otherwise have been dominated by the antics of a reality TV clown. On foreign policy, the issue that is generally considered your greatest weakness, I believe that you have consistently shown yourself to be responsible, inquisitive and level-headed. And you and Secretary Clinton have run campaigns which, a few stumbles aside, stand in such stark contrast to the GOP field that it is difficult to fathom how anyone could possibly consider any of them over either of you. Senator Sanders, I like you. I admire you. Most of the time, I wish that we had 99 more senators just like you. And I would, wouldn't I? I'm on the younger end of the likely voter spectrum. I'm male. I'm white. I'm liberal as hell. I'm the kind of voter that you should have a lock on. But Senator, we have a problem, and it's a big one. When it comes to the specifics surrounding the core issue of your campaign, you have too often come across as either disingenuous or strangely removed from current reality. The red flags have become too frequent to ignore. ... http://www.huffingtonpost.com/larry-womack/dear-bernie-red-flags-frequent_b_9289954.html
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SunShine22 | Feb 2016 | OP |
ismnotwasm | Feb 2016 | #1 | |
BainsBane | Feb 2016 | #26 | |
ismnotwasm | Feb 2016 | #43 | |
comradebillyboy | Feb 2016 | #2 | |
stonecutter357 | Feb 2016 | #3 | |
SunSeeker | Feb 2016 | #4 | |
Cha | Feb 2016 | #5 | |
timmymoff | Feb 2016 | #24 | |
72DejaVu | Feb 2016 | #29 | |
timmymoff | Feb 2016 | #32 | |
72DejaVu | Feb 2016 | #33 | |
fleabiscuit | Feb 2016 | #39 | |
charlyvi | Feb 2016 | #54 | |
Cha | Feb 2016 | #42 | |
workinclasszero | Feb 2016 | #6 | |
BlueMTexpat | Feb 2016 | #13 | |
Nonhlanhla | Feb 2016 | #56 | |
LisaM | Feb 2016 | #58 | |
LannyDeVaney | Feb 2016 | #7 | |
BlueCaliDem | Feb 2016 | #8 | |
Iliyah | Feb 2016 | #9 | |
msongs | Feb 2016 | #10 | |
jehop61 | Feb 2016 | #11 | |
pandr32 | Feb 2016 | #12 | |
cprise | Feb 2016 | #27 | |
pandr32 | Feb 2016 | #40 | |
Rose Siding | Feb 2016 | #14 | |
Control-Z | Feb 2016 | #15 | |
yallerdawg | Feb 2016 | #16 | |
livetohike | Feb 2016 | #17 | |
handmade34 | Feb 2016 | #50 | |
NurseJackie | Feb 2016 | #18 | |
cprise | Feb 2016 | #28 | |
NurseJackie | Feb 2016 | #34 | |
SleeplessinSoCal | Feb 2016 | #19 | |
Tarheel_Dem | Feb 2016 | #20 | |
Cryptoad | Feb 2016 | #21 | |
timmymoff | Feb 2016 | #25 | |
LannyDeVaney | Feb 2016 | #38 | |
otohara | Feb 2016 | #53 | |
Gore1FL | Feb 2016 | #22 | |
wysi | Feb 2016 | #23 | |
Gore1FL | Feb 2016 | #41 | |
Cha | Feb 2016 | #47 | |
fleabiscuit | Feb 2016 | #35 | |
Cha | Feb 2016 | #48 | |
72DejaVu | Feb 2016 | #30 | |
Alfresco | Feb 2016 | #31 | |
fleabiscuit | Feb 2016 | #36 | |
fleabiscuit | Feb 2016 | #37 | |
Hekate | Feb 2016 | #44 | |
DemonGoddess | Feb 2016 | #45 | |
Number23 | Feb 2016 | #46 | |
Cha | Feb 2016 | #49 | |
Gothmog | Feb 2016 | #51 | |
William769 | Feb 2016 | #52 | |
Fla Dem | Feb 2016 | #55 | |
DesertRat | Feb 2016 | #57 | |
Lucinda | Feb 2016 | #59 |
Response to SunShine22 (Original post)
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 01:26 PM
ismnotwasm (40,008 posts)
1. This whole article is so good
You recently claimed that under your leadership, "the Treasury Department will create a too-big-to fail list of banks and insurance companies."
Of course it will. The Treasury Department has been legally required to do that since the Dodd-Frank Act of 2010. The institutions are, on top of that, already subjected to stress tests, and when they fail, there are fairly serious consequences. The Department's annual report is available right here. You can find a list of these institutions on Wikipedia, for crying out loud. The Financial Stability Board also maintains a global list, which you can find right here, should you find that helpful. |
Response to ismnotwasm (Reply #1)
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 04:29 PM
BainsBane (46,199 posts)
26. Is it possible that he doesn't know that stuff?
And other proposals he's suggested that are already law, such as on guns? How can that be when he's in the Senate?
This is the DU member formerly known as BainsBane.
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Response to BainsBane (Reply #26)
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 11:44 PM
ismnotwasm (40,008 posts)
43. I don't think it's possible whatsoever
He knows.
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Response to SunShine22 (Original post)
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 01:27 PM
comradebillyboy (8,500 posts)
2. K&R
Response to SunShine22 (Original post)
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 01:29 PM
stonecutter357 (12,124 posts)
3. K&R!
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Response to SunShine22 (Original post)
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 01:30 PM
SunSeeker (44,144 posts)
4. Great read. Thanks. nt
Response to SunShine22 (Original post)
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 01:30 PM
Cha (269,215 posts)
5. My title would have been.. I don't like you, bernie and here's why.. these red flags are too
frequent to ignore.
Fact checkin' the bern.. is that even allowed?1 Mahalo Sunshine~ |
Response to Cha (Reply #5)
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 04:12 PM
timmymoff (1,947 posts)
24. Sure
mentioning Hillary's thousands of dollars in campaign donations is allowed isn't it? we can mention how she was for private prisons before she was against them, correct? We do get to mention how she openly supported TPP as the "gold standard of trade" upwards of fifty times? I also would like to mention the flip flop on keystone, and her terrible bankruptcy bill she voted for, certainly you don't mind me mentioning the red flags that make Bernie supporters not so interested in Hillary, certainly reciprocity is A OK. maybe we can mention how she was on the board of Wal-Mart for all those years. can we mention how she starts negotiating from the bottom. I have no problem with the truth, can we see the transcripts? Let's get it all out in the open, certainly you guys are for this, correct?
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Response to timmymoff (Reply #24)
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 05:01 PM
72DejaVu (1,545 posts)
29. Go peddle your papers somewhere else.
This is the Hillary Forum, not a re-education camp.
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Response to 72DejaVu (Reply #29)
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 05:19 PM
timmymoff (1,947 posts)
32. I understand
I wasn't trying to re-educate, it seems that avoidance of issues causes a reason to merely educate. Hope all is well.
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Response to timmymoff (Reply #32)
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 05:25 PM
72DejaVu (1,545 posts)
33. We don't need your education
Just go elsewhere. Seriously, all you are doing is reinforcing the negative impression of Bernie supporters.
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Response to timmymoff (Reply #32)
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 06:14 PM
fleabiscuit (4,487 posts)
39. You have tossed out innuendo only, that's trolling in this group, typical but sickening. eom
Response to timmymoff (Reply #32)
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 01:09 PM
charlyvi (6,537 posts)
54. What part of you're in the Hillary group do you not understand?
Groups are not forums. You have the rest of the board to spout your opinions. You are not welcome here.
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Response to timmymoff (Reply #24)
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 11:40 PM
Cha (269,215 posts)
42. No, fact checking bernie is not allowed around here.. but, they're doing it across the net and
it's not looking good.
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Response to SunShine22 (Original post)
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 01:31 PM
workinclasszero (28,270 posts)
6. Wow that's a damning indictment of Bernie's campaign deceptions
Senator, you are forming a mob of angry, misinformed people and then turning it on the likely Democratic nominee.
That, Senator, is a dangerous and destructive game. Does your campaign honestly wonder why it has become synonymous with nasty online invective? If you mention the Bernie Bros online, fifty people fitting the profile pop up with abusive comments informing you that they don't exist. On the eve of the Nevada caucus, one of your supporters attempted to place an obituary for Secretary Clinton in the Las Vegas Sun-Journal. Don't you think this all might have a little something to do with your "me against the corrupt establishment" bluster? This needs to be in GD:primaries!! |
Response to workinclasszero (Reply #6)
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 02:26 PM
BlueMTexpat (14,793 posts)
13. Unfortunately, in GD-Primaries,
there would be a full-on assault, fully demonstrating the premise.
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Response to workinclasszero (Reply #6)
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 02:55 PM
Nonhlanhla (2,056 posts)
56. This is the part that worries me.
At this point I hope that this nomination process runs its course quickly. Bernie does not have a significant chance to get the nomination anymore, and the longer he stays in and whips his supporters into a frenzy, the more damage he is doing to Hillary. I'm all for democracy, but it's become clear that a great deal of the Bernie campaign is built on serious distortions regarding Hillary and her record. As such, people who might otherwise vote for Hillary in the GE, develop such a distorted, monstrous image of her that it becomes impossible for them. As a progressive, this worries me. So I hope this primary season runs it course quickly, so that we can get on to the business of kicking the Republicans' butts.
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Response to workinclasszero (Reply #6)
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 07:33 PM
LisaM (26,033 posts)
58. Exactly. That line caught my attention too.
While I don't dislike Bernie Sanders, I have to wonder at the vitriol of some of the supporters he's attracting. It's hard to square the two. My anti-favorite meme is that you somehow show you're a feminist by NOT voting for a woman or thinking it's about time for a woman president?
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Response to SunShine22 (Original post)
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 01:40 PM
LannyDeVaney (1,033 posts)
7. Wow, best read today ... thanks ...
very informative.
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Response to SunShine22 (Original post)
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 01:45 PM
BlueCaliDem (15,433 posts)
8. "The red flags have become too frequent to ignore" Now I'm beginning to wonder just what side
he's playing for.
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Response to SunShine22 (Original post)
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 01:56 PM
msongs (59,487 posts)
10. oddly enough the people who know him best (20 yrs in congress) are not flocking to him nt
Response to SunShine22 (Original post)
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 01:56 PM
jehop61 (1,735 posts)
11. I a great article
Lots of information and examples to use when refuting the Bernie Bros.
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Response to SunShine22 (Original post)
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 02:06 PM
pandr32 (7,239 posts)
12. There are red flags aplenty!
"...none of this holds a candle to the bizarre narrative you have consistently pushed around Glass-Steagall, your primary point of distinction from Secretary Clinton on finance. You have repeatedly insinuated, implied and said flat-out that the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act, which you tend to call a repeal of Glass-Steagall, caused the financial crisis.
Senator Sanders, that simply isn't true." "When asked to identify a law that actually contributed to the financial crisis, experts are more likely to point to the Commodity Futures Modernization Act of 2000...Senator Sanders, you voted in favor of that law." I love how this article basically charges Sanders with knowingly pushing a deceptive narrative on low-information voters who were looking for somewhere to place the blame for the problems we face in order to promote his own candicacy. |
Response to pandr32 (Reply #12)
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 04:56 PM
cprise (8,445 posts)
27. Uh, that's his opinion about Glass-Steagall, and its quite telling
http://www.usnews.com/opinion/blogs/economic-intelligence/2012/08/27/repeal-of-glass-steagall-caused-the-financial-crisis
The above opinion is well-supported, and its a fact that lending banks now heavily hedge against the riskier loans (to lower-income people and small business), meaning they are betting against the success of these people and in fact creating funds that seek to create the conditions for their failure. I am sorry, but the establishment has jumped the shark ever-so-much and is still having trouble realizing just how far they've gone. Now I return you to the nonsensical hand-waving over the red tide. |
Response to cprise (Reply #27)
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 06:41 PM
pandr32 (7,239 posts)
40. No need for the snark
Response to SunShine22 (Original post)
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 02:28 PM
Rose Siding (32,623 posts)
14. This. THIS. All of it!
![]() Senator, you are forming a mob of angry, misinformed people and then turning it on the likely Democratic nominee. That, Senator, is a dangerous and destructive game. Does your campaign honestly wonder why it has become synonymous with nasty online invective? If you mention the Bernie Bros online, fifty people fitting the profile pop up with abusive comments informing you that they don't exist. On the eve of the Nevada caucus, one of your supporters attempted to place an obituary for Secretary Clinton in the Las Vegas Sun-Journal. Don't you think this all might have a little something to do with your "me against the corrupt establishment" bluster?
It is a bitter irony, then, that Paul Krugman, Barney Frank, Gary Gensler, Jared Bernstein and Felicia Wong and Mike Konczal of the Roosevelt Institute all agree that Clinton's plans to rein in Wall Street have more teeth than yours. An angry mob turns on more than just the nominee |
Response to SunShine22 (Original post)
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 02:33 PM
Control-Z (15,562 posts)
15. Fantastic article!!
I hope it is read by many.
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Response to SunShine22 (Original post)
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 02:59 PM
yallerdawg (16,104 posts)
16. The closer.
Sometimes, Senator, you really live up to your initials. |
Response to SunShine22 (Original post)
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 03:38 PM
livetohike (20,580 posts)
17. Wow. Pretty much agree with everything the author has said, except for "I like you. I admire you."
I read on DU that he is well-liked. Really? He has few legislative accomplishments and few endorsements from his colleagues. That should tell you something about his effectiveness. He probably points and wags his finger at everyone he disagrees with. I don't buy that his angry demeanor is "charming". Not to me. I don't need yelled at.
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Response to livetohike (Reply #17)
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 07:46 AM
handmade34 (20,669 posts)
50. I support Hillary
I want Bernie Sanders to remain my senator and yes, he is a good person with accomplishments and I like him. There is a reason most people like him while at the same time realize Hillary is the best candidate for President right now...
http://www.alternet.org/election-2016/bernie-gets-it-done-sanders-record-pushing-through-major-reforms-will-surprise-you This is the DU member formerly known as handmade34.
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Response to SunShine22 (Original post)
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 03:41 PM
NurseJackie (37,635 posts)
18. Yes. Mob. Good word.
Response to NurseJackie (Reply #18)
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 04:59 PM
cprise (8,445 posts)
28. Popular revolt is what you get when you shaft almost everyone.
Response to cprise (Reply #28)
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 05:45 PM
NurseJackie (37,635 posts)
34. Still not seeing it. If that's supposed to be a "popular revolt", they're doing it wrong.
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Response to SunShine22 (Original post)
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 03:45 PM
SleeplessinSoCal (6,271 posts)
19. "99 More" ought to be emblazoned on his campaign bus
That is the only way to affect real change for the good of the 99%.
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Response to SunShine22 (Original post)
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 03:46 PM
Tarheel_Dem (30,914 posts)
20. That is an extraordinary read. I've forwarded the link to a number of people. Thanks for posting.
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Response to SunShine22 (Original post)
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 03:49 PM
Cryptoad (8,037 posts)
21. He is not only hurting the ,,,
Progressive Cause, he now hurting the Democratic Party.
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Response to Cryptoad (Reply #21)
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 04:16 PM
timmymoff (1,947 posts)
25. thank you
Your admittance of hurting not only the progressive cause but democrats speaks volumes. It states exactly what Bernie Sanders supporters have been saying all along, the democrats are not progressive, especially Hillary. Your admittance was a big first step in admitting the problem with going corporate dem. We should be able to make huge strides from such recognition of the problem.
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Response to timmymoff (Reply #25)
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 06:04 PM
LannyDeVaney (1,033 posts)
38. No, you and your group are the problem ...
Racist, misogynist, rude assholes.
Go away. There are several circle-jerk forums for your type. |
Response to Cryptoad (Reply #21)
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 10:40 AM
otohara (24,135 posts)
53. Bingo
I used to like the man - now not so much.
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Response to SunShine22 (Original post)
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 04:03 PM
Gore1FL (18,072 posts)
22. If there is an angry mob of voters, perhaps the question that should be asked is why they are angry.
Sanders didn't make them angry. What Reagan did the the country and the complacency of Democrats to undo the damage is what makes them angry.
How do we fix that? |
Response to Gore1FL (Reply #22)
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 04:06 PM
wysi (1,508 posts)
23. This is the Hillary Clinton group...
... thanks for your input. See you later!
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Response to wysi (Reply #23)
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 08:50 PM
Gore1FL (18,072 posts)
41. How was that input anti-hillary?
Later is apparently now.
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Response to Gore1FL (Reply #41)
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 07:37 AM
Cha (269,215 posts)
47. You're disrupting.. this is Hillary's Group for her supporters.
Response to Gore1FL (Reply #22)
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 05:52 PM
fleabiscuit (4,487 posts)
35. I want a Hammer! n/t
Response to Gore1FL (Reply #22)
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 07:42 AM
Cha (269,215 posts)
48. sanders has railed against Dems for decades.. he wanted President Obama primared in 2012..
for no reason.
He's just not qualified to be president. Hillary has the experience, the knowledge, and the tenacity to be POTUS. From the OP.. Senator, you are forming a mob of angry, misinformed people and then turning it on the likely Democratic nominee. That, Senator, is a dangerous and destructive game. Does your campaign honestly wonder why it has become synonymous with nasty online invective? If you mention the Bernie Bros online, fifty people fitting the profile pop up with abusive comments informing you that they don't exist. On the eve of the Nevada caucus, one of your supporters attempted to place an obituary for Secretary Clinton in the Las Vegas Sun-Journal. Don't you think this all might have a little something to do with your "me against the corrupt establishment" bluster? |
Response to SunShine22 (Original post)
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 05:04 PM
72DejaVu (1,545 posts)
30. Bernie supporters can't help but try to push people around, can they?
They've got most of the site, but they have to bully their way into the Hillary Forum.
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Response to SunShine22 (Original post)
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 05:10 PM
Alfresco (1,698 posts)
31. K & R
"Sometimes, Senator, you really live up to your initials."
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Response to SunShine22 (Original post)
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 05:54 PM
fleabiscuit (4,487 posts)
36. K&R
You have to read this. In fact copy and paste the URL on every post you make outside this group too. And twice for me 'cause I stick close
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Response to SunShine22 (Original post)
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 05:59 PM
fleabiscuit (4,487 posts)
37. BTW, I'm stealing your post and gonna try to Johnny Appleseed it a bit. eom
Response to SunShine22 (Original post)
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 12:18 AM
DemonGoddess (4,640 posts)
45. K&R!
Excellent read!
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Response to SunShine22 (Original post)
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 03:58 AM
Number23 (24,544 posts)
46. BOOOOM!! Ka-POW!!!! Wham Bam Boomey!!!!
Senator, you are forming a mob of angry, misinformed people and then turning it on the likely Democratic nominee. That, Senator, is a dangerous and destructive game. Does your campaign honestly wonder why it has become synonymous with nasty online invective? If you mention the Bernie Bros online, fifty people fitting the profile pop up with abusive comments informing you that they don't exist. On the eve of the Nevada caucus, one of your supporters attempted to place an obituary for Secretary Clinton in the Las Vegas Sun-Journal. Don't you think this all might have a little something to do with your "me against the corrupt establishment" bluster?
God DAMN I need a fucking smoke after reading that!! Good LORD! TRUEST FUCKING WORDS I've read in MONTHS!!!!! I didn't even mean to come in here! I was just passing through and this just about knocked me out. Well done!! Amen! DAMN that was a hell of a read. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Response to Number23 (Reply #46)
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 07:46 AM
Cha (269,215 posts)
49. You're Welcome in here anytime, 23!
Senator, you are forming a mob of angry, misinformed people and then turning it on the likely Democratic nominee. That, Senator, is a dangerous and destructive game. Does your campaign honestly wonder why it has become synonymous with nasty online invective? If you mention the Bernie Bros online, fifty people fitting the profile pop up with abusive comments informing you that they don't exist. On the eve of the Nevada caucus, one of your supporters attempted to place an obituary for Secretary Clinton in the Las Vegas Sun-Journal. Don't you think this all might have a little something to do with your "me against the corrupt establishment" bluster?
Perfectly stated.. |
Response to SunShine22 (Original post)
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 08:44 AM
Gothmog (92,228 posts)
51. The Huff Post article is well done
This is the DU member formerly known as Gothmog.
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Response to SunShine22 (Original post)
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 08:51 AM
William769 (51,445 posts)
52. Kick & recommended.
Response to SunShine22 (Original post)
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 02:49 PM
Fla Dem (15,936 posts)
55. Bernie hopes his supporters don't read the fine print. nt
Response to SunShine22 (Original post)
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 09:41 PM
Lucinda (29,193 posts)
59. Thank you! Shared his essay on Face Book!
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