Hillary Clinton
Related: About this forumThe following is a question I posed to a DUer in the Bernie Group ...
While I did not see that it was the Bernie Group (and I meant no offense), I think there is value in posing the same question ... for the same reason ... in this Group.
Fishing in one another's tank does us no good ... The focus should be fishing in the ocean of non-HRC/non-Bernie supporters, thereby increasing participation (i.e., voter turn-out).
And, this would best be accomplished by strong positive messaging; rather than, attempting to sully the other Democratic candidate(s) ... I would love all Democratic candidates saying something to the effect of, "All of the Democratic candidates want the same direction for the country, any of us, with your support and effort, will get us their ... And, here is my plan to get us there" and at all costs, refrain from providing attack lines.
HassleCat
(6,409 posts)All the Democratic candidates do not want the same things, do not want the same outcomes, do not have the same vision for the country, and do not advocate the same way to get from A to B. Your proposed message applies only in the most general sense, so I guess the candidates could give the speech as sort of a preamble, then say, "And now here is where I differ from my opponent when it comes to specifics."
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)See the difference?
HassleCat
(6,409 posts)But I don't think Democrats should follow the Ronald Reagan script that reads, "We're all of one mind, and I'll shut off your microphone if you disagree." It's good to point out real differences. Sanders doesn't have to say, "My ideas are different from those of my corporate tool opponent." Clinton is not required to reply, "My plan is not the insane raving of some socialist tree hugger." Your proposal would not be accepted by any of the candidates, with the possible exception of Clinton, and she would accept it only as long as it helped bolster her image as the dominant front-runner.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)stevenleser
(32,886 posts)No matter what Democratic candidate we elect, they can't pass anything more than incrementalism.
We have a Republican controlled House and Senate. We don't have a chance of taking back the house for another seven years. Only an incremental policy has a hope of passing.
So this pretty close to impossible task you Bernie folks are attempting to achieve is a fools errand at best.
tblue37
(64,979 posts)hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)Just looked in there and one post really pissed md off.
I just hope DU doesn't tear itself apart.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)and to be quite honest; it is playing out in a lot of forums/groups ... even this group (though on a lesser scale).
You are doing a good job setting the tone here by supporting the candidate of your choice and NOT attacking other candidates.
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)Lol but thank you.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)I am supportive of both candidates for different reasons; but, oppose to neither of the candidates.
Funny ... that seems to be a difficult concept for some to grasp.
rock
(13,218 posts)You're probably thinking WTF? But I do not have an overwhelming favorite. I am waiting to see how it plays out. I like what both candidates say and I've been following Hillary for many years. I just getting to know Bernie and find that I agree with his platform planks. As for being switchable, I was for Hillary in 2008 and immediately switched to Obama when he won the nomination.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)Again ... anyone with a candidate chose this far out, is unlikely to switch ... especially as a result of intra-partisan attacks.
rock
(13,218 posts)Which is a good reason to be cautious when making that choice. Though to be honest I would tickled to support either of the leading contenders.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)I am supportive of both candidates for different reasons; but, oppose to neither of the candidates.
Funny ... that seems to be a difficult concept for some to grasp. (I'm, apparently, on the verge of being blocked in another group for a similar line of thought as this thread ... says a lot about that group, compared to this one. )
Jackpine Radical
(45,274 posts)The division ends when the nomination outcome is clear.
There is no way in Hell I'd vote for any Republican, or do anything to jam up a Democratic victory in 2016.
Although I can most likely not claim a perfect record on this, in my mind, personal attacks on any of our candidates or their suporters are off-limits.
That said, I think it serves every candidate well to get their positions fully elaborated and explored, to be tested on the issues, to identify weakness and strengths, etc.
After all, this is still a sort of hothouse in which I presume there are underlying principles and perceptions of reality on which almost all of us stand in accord, in stark contrast to the lunatic, dirty and deceptive attacks that will be unleashed on our candidates, whomever they may be, by the rabid crazies and their well-heeled, cynical masters in the cesspit that passes for our opposition party.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)Neither HRC, nor Bernie, will be challenged by republicans in the General Election on their leftist differences ... so the testing and preparing of a primary only serves to hurt, should either Bernie or HRC choose to attack ... republicans won't hear; but, Democrats and non-aligned, certainly will hear the weaknesses.
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)Pick an issue where you think Hillary and Bernie disagree, and then imagine the bills to support their policies going to the Republican House and Senate.
This shouldn't be a surprise or news to anyone after the last 6 years.
Nothing of what you think makes Bernie different from Hillary gets out of committee in either house of congress.
OKNancy
(41,832 posts)after the candidate is clear, I'm sure most will support the Democrat.
Now, support is relative. Look at all the bashing of our Democratic President.
Some people just can't see nuance in anything. They are always distrustful, believe the worst, and have a deep dislike of anything the USA does. There are no terrorists, no one is happy except the 1%, all jobs suck, and on and on.
Not all of the people in the Sanders camp believe this way, however many of them love to poke at Hillary and post every negative article they can. Very few Hillary supporters do the same to Sanders. I haven't said one bad thing about him and I have some things I could say.
One thing though. Hillary will win this thing so I can sit back and be pretty smug about it all.
yallerdawg
(16,104 posts)and she could become the first woman president, another notch in our progressive belt!
I can say this without 100 comments bashing Hillary and every word in my statement because I am in a protected group. Safe haven!
What a shame.