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Her Sister

(6,444 posts)
Mon Feb 29, 2016, 03:20 PM Feb 2016

Hillary Clinton Fans Take To Google Docs To Debunk "Lies"

Clinton fans are coming up with answers for every accusation lodged at the Democratic frontrunner. http://www.vocativ.com/news/279717/hillary-clinton-google-doc/

"A group of dedicated Hillary Clinton supporters are hustling to finish a shared Google doc that aims to combat supposed misinformation about the presidential candidate.

The document, called the Clinton FAQ, surfaced after the Iowa caucus in a thread on the /r/HillaryClinton subreddit, where users vowed to find the best ways to address the former secretary of state’s biggest political flubs, Vocativ’s analysts discovered. Issues include the 2012 attack on the U.S. consulate in Benghazi, Libya that killed U.S. Ambassador J. Christopher Stevens and Foreign Service Information Management Officer Sean Smith, as well as concerns over classified materials discovered in Clinton’s private email account, among others.

Every answer provided by the Clinton supporters is backed by multiple sources, as well as personal anecdotes. A user addressing Hillary’s changing position on LGBT rights relayed how he, a gay man with lesbian parents, always viewed the Clintons as allies to the LGBT movement."

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1IozeV9ybkvGa0uiHtkRwfqjndqyB21OPrxzBoF5NeHA/edit?pref=2&pli=1 (scroll down)

A few questions answered here. Example:

The Republicans Hate Hillary!
Question: Can Hillary find common ground with republicans?
Answer: While this is not something that can be proved directly we can point to her record, Hillary has tirelessly worked across the aisle and Republicans actually have some pretty nice things to say about her.

Paul Ryan
Back in January 2013, though, he was fresh off a losing presidential ticket when he suggested that Hillary Clinton in the White House would have ensured a return to a balanced budget. “Look, if we had a Clinton presidency, if we had Erskine Bowles as chief of staff of the White House or president of the United States, I think we would have fixed this fiscal mess by now,” he said. “That’s not the kind of presidency we’re dealing with right now.”

Carly Fiorina
Fiorina said: “Having started as a secretary and eventually become a chief executive officer, I not only have great admiration and respect for Hillary Clinton and her candidacy and her leadership, but I also have great empathy, I must tell you, for what she went through.”

Orrin Hatch
“I happen to like Hillary Clinton; I think she’s done a good job for the… secretary of state’s position, and I have high respect for her and think a great deal of her.”

John McCain
McCain praised Clinton as “an international star” who has done “a tremendous job” as secretary of state. He also later told to CBS News, “I respect Secretary/Senator Clinton; I respect her views.”

Condoleezza Rice
“Hillary Clinton is someone I’ve known for a long, long time. She’s a patriot. I think she’s doing a lot of the right things.” Rice then added, “She’s very tough... and she’s got the right instincts.” George W. Bush’s top foreign-policy aide stood by those words two years later, when she described Clinton as “great” to Ohio Republicans.

Lindsey Graham
“a good role model, one of the most effective secretary of states, greatest ambassadors for the American people that I have known in my lifetime” in May 2012. The Republican also went out of his way to praise Clinton to The New York Times three months later, saying, “She is extremely well-respected throughout the world, handles herself in a very classy way, and has a work ethic second to none.”

Jeb Bush
“Hillary Rodham Clinton, who many believe can win the 2016 Democratic nomination for president, if she wants it, is the winner of the 2013 Liberty Medal. The award is to be presented Sept. 10 to Clinton by former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush, chairman of the National Constitution Center and a possible contender for the 2016 Republican nomination. Politics aside, Bush praised Clinton in a statement released Thursday announcing her selection. ‘Former Secretary Clinton has dedicated her life to serving and engaging people across the world in democracy,’ Bush said. ‘These efforts as a citizen, an activist, and a leader have earned Secretary Clinton this year’s Liberty Medal.’”

John Kasich
“I know her. I like her. I’ve worked with her.”

Marsha BlackBurn
“On CNN’s Late Edition with Wolf Blitzer, Tennessee Rep. Marsha Blackburn said Clinton would be a good fit for the position. ‘I think that Hillary Clinton will probably accept that, from what I am hearing. I think it would be a nice gesture. I think that she is well qualified,” said the Republican congresswoman.’”

Jeff Duncan
The one thing the Obama Administration got right was a Transboundary Hydrocarbon Agreement signed with Mexico by Hillary Clinton in a summit in Cabo.

Peter King
BANFIELD: I wonder if you think that the former U.N. Ambassador John Bolton’s comments about the secretary, and in my words, faking an illness, in his words, having a diplomatic illness to beat the band, are deserving of an apology.
KING: I certainly wouldn’t have said it, especially knowing Hillary Clinton and what a tough warrior she is. To me, there’s never a basis for that. Even if I didn’t agree with someone, you should always give them the benefit of the doubt when it comes to a health issue. The only thing I’d say in Bolton’s defense, and I’m being sarcastic when I say this — it is hard for me to imagine Hillary Clinton ever being sick. She’s one of the strongest people I’ve ever met in my life. But obviously, she was ill. It could have been serious. It wasn’t, thank god. And I would not have said what the Ambassador Bolton did. How he wants to handle it with her, that’s up to him. But I’m just delighted

David Petraeus
"She’d make a tremendous President.” According to a book review in The Wall Street Journal, “Gen. Petraeus also emerges as a Clinton character witness here, declaring that Mrs. Clinton was ‘extraordinarily resolute, determined and controlled’ in the wake of the attack.

Henry Kissinger
“She ran the State Department in the most effective way that I’ve ever seen."
“I’ve known her for many years now, and I respect her intellect.”
“She’d [Sec. Clinton would] put me under a great conflict of interest if she were a candidate, because I tend to support the Republicans… Yes, I’d be comfortable with her as the president.”

Judd Gregg
“U.S. Senator Judd Gregg (R-NH) today issued the following statement upon U.S. Senate confirmation of Senator Hillary Clinton to be the Secretary of State. Senator Gregg, the Ranking Member of the State and Foreign Operations and Related Programs Subcommittee, stated, ‘Today’s overwhelming confirmation of Senator Hillary Clinton to be our next Secretary of State is a testament to the well regarded talents and qualifications she will bring to the job of overseeing our nation’s foreign policy. Like Secretary Condoleezza Rice, Senator Clinton will be a positive voice to carry America’s message around the world. As the Ranking Member of the Appropriations Subcommittee tasked with funding State Department activities, I look forward to continuing my work with Senator Clinton to advance our nation’s interests through U.S. diplomatic programs and activities.’”

Jim Inhofe
“Today in voting to confirm Senator Clinton as Secretary of State, I voted for someone who is well qualified and someone I know I can work with on a range of issues. To be certain, there are many areas where Senator Clinton and I disagree. However, I appreciate her recognition of the need to combat al Qaeda’s efforts to seek safe havens in failed states in the Horn of Africa, which is something I have worked to accomplish through my many trips to Africa and my legislation to establish global partnerships. I strongly agree with her support of Israel’s right to defend itself. Finally, I appreciate her challenge to Iran to end its nuclear weapons program, and her pledge to work to end Iran’s and Syria’s dangerous behavior so that they instead become constructive actors in the Middle East. Diplomacy has a crucial role, but I also trust and will ensure that where stronger efforts need to be made, U.S. foreign policy will include the strong arm of military where diplomacy fails. Furthermore, Senator Clinton has demonstrated a willingness to work across the aisle, as we have worked together on legislation through our positions the Senate Armed Services Committee and Environment and Public Works Committee"

Jon Kyl
“Sen. Jon Kyl of Arizona also said Clinton would be a good choice for the post. ‘It seems to me she’s got the experience, she’s got the temperament for it,’ he said on Fox News Sunday. ‘She would be well-received around the world.’”

Richard Lugar
“I’ve frequently said the foremost criteria for selecting a National Security Cabinet official should be whether the nominee is a “big leaguer” who has achieved extraordinary accomplishments, is well- known to the world, understands both process and policy, and can command global respect. In Senator Clinton, President-Elect Obama has boldly chosen the epitome of a ‘big leaguer.’
“I’ve frequently said the foremost criteria for selecting a National Security Cabinet official should be whether the nominee is a “big leaguer” who has achieved extraordinary accomplishments, is well- known to the world, understands both process and policy, and can command global respect. In Senator Clinton, President-Elect Obama has boldly chosen the epitome of a ‘big leaguer.’

Mitch McConnell
“Hillary Clinton’s been here [to Kentucky] before. She was here the day before the election the last time I ran. We’re good friends. She’s doing what candidates for president do. One thing I think is noteworthy though, Alison Grimes doesn’t have any trouble announcing she voted for Clinton even though apparently she doesn’t want to say she voted for Barack Obama."

Lisa Murkowski
“Thank you Mr. Chairman. And welcome to you, Senator Clinton. Thank you for your leadership, for your willingness to step forward and assume this very, very important position for our country, for the nation. I truly appreciate all that you are poised to do and what you have done in the past.”

Olympia Snowe
“Among the field of presumptive presidential candidates, Snowe said former secretary of state Hillary Clinton and former Florida governor Jeb Bush are likeliest to govern in a bipartisan fashion.”

John Warner
“Despite her lack of seniority on the Armed Services Committee, she won the admiration of its senior members. Sen. John W. Warner of Virginia, then chairman, described Clinton as ‘very industrious. She does her homework very carefully.’”


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Hillary Clinton Fans Take To Google Docs To Debunk "Lies" (Original Post) Her Sister Feb 2016 OP
That's clever. DavidDvorkin Feb 2016 #1
K&R! stonecutter357 Feb 2016 #2
K & R Iliyah Feb 2016 #3
on lgbt issues Her Sister Feb 2016 #4
For those who want to how Hillary is going to work on getting her agenda accomplished, Thinkingabout Feb 2016 #5
K&R. nt UtahLib Feb 2016 #6
Fantastic Link & Info! Haveadream Feb 2016 #7
Why I don't argue much ismnotwasm Feb 2016 #8
Thanks! LAS14 Feb 2016 #9
This message was self-deleted by its author LAS14 Feb 2016 #10
Score! Thanks for sharing. fleabiscuit Feb 2016 #11
K&R! DemonGoddess Feb 2016 #12

Her Sister

(6,444 posts)
4. on lgbt issues
Mon Feb 29, 2016, 03:47 PM
Feb 2016

Hillary Clinton on LGBT Rights
The Question:

"My parents are lesbians and I, a gay man, grew up in a 1990s household that always viewed the Clintons as allies.

Hillary is pragmatic and she has shifted positions -- not because she's deceitful, but because she wants to be the most effective advocate for the people she represents. If Bill and Hillary were even slightly more pro-gay rights in the 90s, they would not only have been unelectable but would risk the seats of every elected Democrat in the country. The backlash would be disastrous for the Democratic party. Bernie can talk high and mighty about being the gay messiah in the 80s, 90s, and 00s (a lie), but from his gadfly position representing one of the most liberal areas in the country, he had nothing to lose. The Clintons as leaders of the Democratic party had everything to lose.
Bernie supporters like to talk up the virtue of ideological purity, yet they fail to realize that all the liberal gains we've made in the last 25 years are the result of progressive leaders who actually know they have to be electable before they get anything done. Even by the year 2000, as Bill left one office and Hillary entered another, the vast majority of the country (including many gays) were weirded out by the thought of a man saying "my husband," and trans rights weren't seriously considered by even the most liberal of organizations. Any national or major state-wide politician who came out as pro-gay marriage would be unelectable (even in California, New York, or Vermont).

The Clintons' 1992 campaign was hailed as pro-gay rights and explicitly ran on the promise to end the ban on gays in the military. Only when lifting the ban proved a non-starter and the conservative backlash began to rise did the Clintons work out the compromise that became Don't Ask Don't Tell. Similarly, the Defense of Marriage Act was only passed as a way to disincentivize Republicans from pushing for a Constitutional Amendment banning gay marriage (which was a serious threat).
There's a ridiculous trend of using modern progressive norms to shame politically advantageous stances taken decades ago. As the great Mahatma Gandhi once put it, "[Blacks] are as a rule uncivilised – the convicts even more so. They are troublesome, very dirty and live almost like animals."

- /u/avatizer

Notes: Hillary emails also showed she was working for marriage equality behind the scenes before she was publicly for it as well."


(30,058 posts)
5. For those who want to how Hillary is going to work on getting her agenda accomplished,
Mon Feb 29, 2016, 06:04 PM
Feb 2016

With connections like these in which she has worked before. They know how she works.


(1,630 posts)
7. Fantastic Link & Info!
Mon Feb 29, 2016, 07:23 PM
Feb 2016

Thanks for sharing this! She always talks about building relationships. She has shown time and again that she has the respect of people on both sides of the aisle. I know there are partisans who don't like that but it is an essential quality in getting things done.


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8. Why I don't argue much
Mon Feb 29, 2016, 07:27 PM
Feb 2016

There's so much crap about Hillary that in certain cases--it's simply not worth pointing out the truth.


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9. Thanks!
Mon Feb 29, 2016, 09:45 PM
Feb 2016

I was gearing up to try to find something like this, so I'd have the best response when canvassing. This is perfect!

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