Hillary Clinton
Related: About this forumSanders supporters narrative is now "Votes don't matter" ...
truly sickening.
If you live in a Red state, why vote?
If you live in a Blue state, why vote?
Bernie needs to drop out. He is hurting the party at this point.
SunSeeker
(58,287 posts)yallerdawg
(16,104 posts)your vote doesn't matter.
Her Sister
(6,444 posts)charlyvi
(6,537 posts)Despite all of Bernie Sanders laudable successes, hes been hamstrung by his consistent inability to make inroads in communities of color. It was the basis of my original demographic ceiling thesis, which I had pegged at 30 percent. He exceeded that, but getting to 38 percent is cold comfort to those who wanted to see a real movement blossom. And the early state results bear it out: You do not build a liberal movement by bringing together white people, then hoping that people of color come along for the ride. You start with those communities of color.
1) You dont try to impose your framing and issues on people who have different priorities. YOU may think Citizens United, income inequality, and global climate change are the biggest threats facing the country, but when your community is being gunned down in the streets and families are being torn apart by immigration authorities, everything else pales in comparison. More jobs dont solve either of those problems.
2) You dont become resentful of other groups when they dont follow along. The ugliest part of this primary campaign has been the accusation that certain Democratic voters dont matter, especially since those voters being dismissed are disproportionately brown and black. We have a long way to go toward bridging racial divides, and the last thing any movement needs is an us vs. them attitude. And, given the makeup of our modern liberal coalition, you automatically doom yourself to failure if you turn your biggest natural allies into the others. Leave that shit to the Republicans.
3) Everyone is on the same page from the beginning. Related to the above, I cringe every time I see a white progressive demanding that black or Latino voters explain their support for Hillary Clinton. Do you not realize how horrible that looks, and how offensive that is, that white people are demanding that people of color justify their choices? Its beyond cringe-inducing. Its deeply disturbing. And I realize that most people doing that arent coming at it from a racial standpoint, but thats the way its received.
4) You will be more effective. Bottom line, no white-dominated liberal movement will succeed when 40 percent of Democrats are people of color. And people of color will be reluctant to join a movement led by little-known whites. History has made us justifiably suspicious of the Great White Savior. So building from the ground up, with full inclusion of people of color in leadership, will allow for a broad-based coalition that can have the numbers to topple the system. Because you know what, screaming at people of color about the oligarchy and corrupt Clinton really isnt doing anyone or any movement any favors.
http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2016/3/2/1494621/-A-real-liberal-revolution-starts-with-communities-of-color#read-more
He's right.
stonecutter357
(13,045 posts)yallerdawg
(16,104 posts)your vote doesn't count either.
Historic NY
(40,047 posts)Treant
(1,968 posts)but I think Bernie should stay. His supporters' message is off key and divisive, but the income inequality narrative is useful on the national stage. It really is something that should be highlighted.
As the days pass and Tuesday's message sinks in, the worst part of the supporters' arguments should disappear--most notably as the supporters themselves start to disappear.
We're in the twilight of the worst of it.
Cha
(319,178 posts)Politicub
(12,328 posts)The confederacy ended long ago, but I digress. It's a convenient dog whistle. Perhaps we're the welfare queens of the progressive movement. A dog whistle from another time and place, but still used. Welfare queens - that slur that slipped so easily from the lips of Reagan and his allies.
Who are the dogs that are being called by discounting the votes overwhelmingly cast for Hillary yesterday? I can't say. Truly. I have no idea what the hell is running through the mind of these so called progressives.
If I were a Sanders supporter, I would do some soul searching. Why isn't he attracting disenfranchised minorities? It isn't for lack of information.
I can't speak for everyone, but I know there's a large segment of gay voters who stay on top of the issues. We cast thoughtful, considered votes. We know who our allies are and we stick by them. We know we are imperfect so we don't expect perfection from anyone else. We have so much at stake.
But the unmitigated gall to toss aside millions of democratic votes cast by people who took the time and used the energy to get out to the polls? I don't understand it. But do I know this. I want no part of it.
DemonGoddess
(5,127 posts)fleabiscuit
(4,542 posts)hamsterjill
(17,592 posts)It's self-defeating in a way
I mean, they claim there are so many of those like them. So many that support Bernie. Well when Hillary is the nominee, if they all don't vote for Hillary, then since there is so many of them (they can't have it both ways!!!) that will surely adjust the Electoral College to the Republican's advantage (as opposed to them thinking that their one, single vote has no significance whatsoever).
It is sickening. It's juvenile and it is also being used to try to silence the argument that needs to be made. That being that this is DEMOCRATIC Underground and is a discussion board for the support of the ultimate Democratic nominee.