Sheshe's tribute thread for Cha was hidden

[72DejaVu]

If this is the way people act on a message board, how will they act if their "revolution" achieves state power?

[livetohike]

1. This is sickening. Might as well call it Bernie Underground and when his ass gets

kicked this month, maybe we can have a Democratic Underground again.

[lame54]

44. completely unaware that you still need us

[rock]

54. If you're implying

that we'd better talk nice to you to get you to to vote for a Democrat... Well, why don't you complete that thought yourself?

[livetohike]

57. I am aware that people who call themselves Democrats

on this board are ruthless in their attempt to destroy Hillary Clinton. They also have no problem coming into a protected group to lecture us.

[lame54]

59. i came through the home page

[Action_Patrol]

61. It doesn't excuse it.

[lame54]

66. I don't troll these groups...

I joined a discussion from the home page

I asked the same question in the ask the administrators group and am waiting for a ruling

[NastyRiffraff]

72. What question is that?

I saw no question from you; just an arrogant snark.

Again, you're in the Hillary group. Don't bother answering; we've had enough from you.

[sheshe2]

114. Skinner ruled long ago.

Groups are indeed allowed to trend on GD. They stay and he is not changing that.

Now delete your posts or you WILL be blocked.

[Hekate]

83. I've lost count of how many BS supporters here have sd they won't vote for HRC if she's the nominee

I've not seen a single HRC supporter say the same. HRC supporters are Democrats. Don't bother to lecture me about "loyalty oaths" -- there's no loyalty oath. There's just people trying to get things done that will benefit as many others as possible.

If every time your candidate doesn't make it out of the primary process you threaten to take your marbles and go home, how will you ever get anything done at all? The answer is, you won't.

I've seen HRC supporters at DU, one after another, hold out their hands in fellowship and future reconciliation, only to be metaphorically spit on, bitch-slapped, and generally told to go to hell. I've seen more than one old timer at DU with tons of political experience on the local level trying to tell the inexperienced BS enthusiasts how it is done so that they can get where they want to go, with the same sad results.

Hey, I was one of those people myself, promising to link arms and sing kumbayah once the primaries are over. But I am tired of the toxic replies. So forgive me if I am out of patience with people who swear they will never never never work within the system because what they want to do is burn the system down and start over.

How can we "need" people who were never going to help Democrats in the first place?

All the Sanders supporters who really will be there for Democrats -- just say the word, and we'll be there for you too. Just remember: you let the ones I'm talking about speak for you for a year all over DU.



JURY: THIS IS IN THE HILLARY GROUP

[UtahLib]

88. Thank you!!!!

[NanceGreggs]

105. "How can we "need" people ...

... who were never going to help Democrats in the first place?"

That pretty well sums it up.

[Andy823]

110. Exactly

It's pure right wing tactics used to divide the board even more than it already is.

[Agschmid]

2. Anyone who doesn't agree will apparently be silenced.

[Hekate]

84. But first they will have to sit in self-criticism groups and confess their transgressions

[johnp3907]

3. Stalinism.

[kydo]

42. Ok this was alerted ...

On Fri Mar 4, 2016, 10:36 AM an alert was sent on the following post:
I was juror #3

Stalinism.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1107&pid=63522

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

Disruptive, rude, inappropriate. Calling the actions and artitudes of other DUers "Stalinism" is over-the-top.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Fri Mar 4, 2016, 10:42 AM, and the Jury voted 2-5 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Yes, it's offensive. That entire thread is offensive, but hey it's in their group, let them do as they please.
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Ok this has got to stop! If you are not a HRC supporter then stay out of the Hillary Clinton Group. This getting really dumb. There is a gang of trolls going about alerting anything that they deem unworthy of DU. Screw that! Most of those trolls aren't even Democrats, they are right wing trolls! Admin please help us stop these really dumb and petty alerts. Thanks. And to the bernie bro alerting this, grow the %uck up already.
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Can't wait for President Clinton!
Juror #5 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Not cool to call other DUers Stalinist
Juror #6 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Wow... retaliatory alerts all over the place. STOP.

[johnp3907]

43. Guess I should have expected that.

Thanks for posting this.

[lame54]

46. what if a Hillary group post makes it to the home page?...

is it fair game then?

[jsmirman]

53. NO

it's in a protected group.

There is no backdoor.

Just move the heck along once you see you're in the Hillary Group.

[lame54]

58. so if you are on the greatest threads - I can't reply?...

how far does her secret service protection go

[jsmirman]

65. No one said you can't reply

but you must behave as though you are in a protected group. It's a courtesy every protected group should enjoy.

[yardwork]

63. Please read the DU rules for protected groups.

This isn't difficult or complicated. You are posting in a group dedicated to supporting Hillary Clinton. If you disrupt, you will be blocked, per DU rules.

The Bernie group does the exact same thing, as is their right.

You have the rest of DU on which to post.

[72DejaVu]

67. "Not cool to call other DUers Stalinists"

Not cool to act like a fucking Stalinist either.

[pandr32]

70. More to the point!

It is okay unless it is named I guess.

[Phentex]

4. What happens if it gets reposted 20 times or so?

The same people can't keep alerting so wouldn't it stick a time or two?

[ismnotwasm]

7. So what?

[Agschmid]

37. Well that was fast...

[Phentex]

9. Are you okay?

Is there someone you can talk to?

[Phentex]

12. Do you need to talk outside of this thread?

I am worried about you.

[Cha]

14. Wow, you really don't have a clue do you? Please study up. thank you.

[Coolest Ranger]

16. Hey this is the

Hillary Clinton group. Go to General Primary: Discussion and hate on her there, not in our group

[Cha]

13. "Did you know?" Got some new hot juicy gossip for us? 'cause that's old news.. everyone knows

that and the only ones who care are stuck in 2008.. we've all moved on.

[Historic NY]

18. How do you know you just got here on the 2nd.???/

2008 isn't 2016. I see your all excited about the e-mail issue.

[Cha]

24. Really?! how does he know about 2008?

[ismnotwasm]

6. There is no revolution

Not here and not now. Which begs the question if there really was one, would people's behavior be better or worse?

Interestingly, I think a lot better.

[fun n serious]

8. Gang Stalking

Gang stalking is a form of community mobbing and organised stalking combined. Just like you have workplace mobbing, and online mobbing, which are both fully recognised as legitimate, this is the community form.

Gang stalking is organised harassment at it's best. It the targeting of an individual for revenge, jealousy, sport, or to keep them quite, etc.



http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=gang+stalking

[Quayblue]

20. Nailed it nt

[jsmirman]

51. +1

really distressing to see such authoritarian tendencies out of people who are presumably some of our own.

[misterhighwasted]

98. Thank you for the link..Re-posted to expose the truth

[fun n serious]

102. You're very welcome.

[Cha]

11. I just saw that.. thanks Skinner. the thread by a troll who was PPR(look @ his profile page) that

was calling me out for blocking him in this group was left to stand.. by that same kind of jury and they hide sheshe's for having my back.

They must be so proud.

Thank you for this DejaVu.. Skinner needs to do something right now.. I'm sick about this.. I hate for sheshe to have to wake up to this.

[EileenFB]

19. It is only going to get worse

They are trying to get ALL of us in the Hillary group worked up so we'll get silenced with hides/time-outs.

Since Super Tuesday I've noticed in the Hillary group the Sanders gang have turned up their disrespect in a protected group because:

- They know it's over for their guy and they want to make it as miserable as possible for us.

- They know that once she clinches the nomination they will no longer be allowed to bash her so they are getting more bang for their buck.

[yardwork]

79. A lot of the trolls are Republicans hoping to smear Hillary.

You can tell the actual Democrats. They're the Bernie supporters who don't smear Hillary, but work in positive messaging about their candidate.

[EileenFB]

85. Agreed

Thing is though, the actual Democrats who support Sanders are the minority of that bunch. The message(s) they are trying to convey have been muted by the trolls.

[yardwork]

86. I know. I feel for them. They are lonely voices for reason in a storm of trolls.

[DemonGoddess]

107. Agreed!

[applegrove]

112. Yup GOP trolls fomenting hate in Bernie supporters so

real Bernie supporters will not vote for Hillary if she wins the nomination. Right you are.

[yardwork]

115. Old, old tactics. It's so easy to infiltrate a message board.

[brer cat]

101. I never go into the BS group

but I did on that thread yesterday to ask why they want to come in here, pointing out they have their group and GDP to throw mud, so why in here. I can assure you I didn't get an answer and was blocked. The hypocrisy there is so deep I don't know how they even move. I think there is an incredible sense of entitlement among that group and zero respect for others.

[Cha]

111. Omg, brer cat! Just what others have said, too. but, you did it yesterday.. right after the big

mega meta thread evidently piling on me for blocking the troll. Can you believe it!?!

Yes. But, as you say the hypocrisy is so deep that it should warrant immobility.

Thank you so much for proving our point that they do it and it's okay.. we do it and we're so mean it takes a mega thread to pile on.

Hillary's Group~ :

[Coolest Ranger]

15. Oh my god

that was a BS hide. This place makes me sick some days

[JohnnyLib2]

17. No possible valid reason

K & R

[Gothmog]

21. That was a very bad hide

[Sancho]

22. The piranha are swarming...beware!

They go after anyone who happens to be in the water!

[72DejaVu]

23. Stand up to them

Every Hillary poster who does not have 4 hides should be calling them out right now.

[Agschmid]

25. Yup.

[jsmirman]

62. It's insane that the system

is still 5 hides and a suspension.

You couldn't be more of an absentee landlord than to leave a system like that in place while this alert stalking goes on (and make no adjustment to the system of x# of hides = suspension).

Anyone looking for evidence that speech has been chilled here need look no further.

Anyone who has that as a goal isn't just a bad democrat - that sort of behavior makes you unworthy of the term "American."

[Jay Mohler]

26. I was on the fence.

No longer. Being new and now a Hillary supporter, I fear I won't do well here. I have lurked here for years and I have seen many people I admire take a lot of abuse lately. I stand with you!

[still_one]

27. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

[Fla Dem]

28. Welcome aboard Jay. Put on your hard hat and flak jacket. BS fans and trolls can be brutal. nt

[Jay Mohler]

35. Thanks!

[BlueCaliDem]

29. Thank you, Jay, and welcome to the Hillary Clinton Group!

[Jay Mohler]

52. Your welcome.

I'm happy to be here, and support the stonger candidate.

[BlueCaliDem]

55. It's all about not allowing a Republican into the White House AND getting the Senate

back. Hillary Clinton is the stronger candidate. Let's hope that the majority of American voters see it that way, too.

[Cha]

56. Thank you, Jay!

[NastyRiffraff]

74. You're very welcome here, Jay

You'll do just fine. Just be aware that a protected group isn't protected anymore, if it's Hillary's. Don't depend on the Administrators, but we'll have your back.

[DemonGoddess]

108. Welcome!

[Fla Dem]

30. This is getting so asinine. Hope the nasty ones leave after HRC becomes the nominee.

They have really turned DU into a anti free speech forum.

[yardwork]

31. More disgusting behavior.

[GusBob]

32. simply unbelievable

fuck this shit to hell

[Lucky Luciano]

33. Sorry that happened. Love and affection in a protected group...

...should be...




Protected.

[redstateblues]

34. Got my first hide after 12 years here for a harmless sarcastic post

The authoritarian leanings of some of the BSS on this site would not bode well for the country if by some fluke Bernie got the reins of government.

[Loki]

39. My first innocuous post in the Bernie group

got me banned. I've never been banned from anything on this board since 2001. If they can ban us in their protected group, why can't we ban them?

[NaturalHigh]

64. I was banned from that group and never even mentioned Bernie Sanders.

Hell, all I did was disagree with Omaha Steve about something, and then somebody (whose name I can't remember right now) banned me from the group. Since I'm a Clinton supporter and had no intention of posting in there much anyway, I never even bothered to ask about it.

[CajunBlazer]

60. I would self delete if I were you

I ended up with another hide here in Hillary Group when I posted a message very similar post to you which had been hidden on GD-D.

You don't want to have to hides for the same post.

[malthaussen]

36. That's absurd.

The bugs in the jury system are clearly reaching fatal proportions.

-- Mal

[Loki]

38. Viva Sheshe and Cha!

Petulance won't win friends and influence people. When you have someone who has for years denounced the party that he is supposedly wishing to lead, has not contributed campaign monies to down ballot Democrats, and I know someone will say well DWS won't let him, I call BS on that, and we are supposed to become loyal supporters, when there has been no loyalty shown to us? You won't shut me up, you can't intimidate us. This is called Democratic Underground for a reason. I remember seeing the banner on TV during the inauguration of the pretender. I've been here a long time. My not so favorite saying from the *2000 Selection was "get over it". Would you support someone who blamed you for everything but wanted you to back his campaign, because he didn't have the resources or national visibility that he needed? You'll have to answer that question, I already did.

[jsmirman]

40. This is so out of control

it's an act of petulance, it's an abuse of the jury system, and it's a distinct sign of authoritarian tendencies on the part of the people who participated in it.

The idea that someone can extend the octopus reach of their bullying into a PROTECTED GROUP is outrageous.

I already submitted a question via that maddening "ask the administrators" thing about stuff precisely this sort of thing. I'm sure they will get back to me at some point in December.

DISGRACE.

Every day that the people who run this site sit back like inattentive landlords/cowards is another day this site gets further destroyed from within.

WAKE UP SKINNER AND CO!

And even with this, all I want to do is unify people once we have a nominee - I have no interest in score settling when the time comes. But to see such behavior out of supposed Democrats is truly chilling.

[BlueMTexpat]

41. They come into our Group,

provoke, alert-stalk, cause hides, and then wail, moan and gnash their teeth about how their candidate's message is getting "silenced."

No sense of self-awareness at all. No sense of irony whatsoever.

They epitomize censorship.

[NurseJackie]

47. The "silver lining" (for whatever comfort it may be) is that it indicates how well Hillary is doing.

[BlueMTexpat]

48. I concur. It also

gives the lie to which people are actually as "progressive" as they purport to be.

[Buzz Clik]

50. +1. A perfect summary.

[Buzz Clik]

45. "You're with us or you're against us." The DU Bernie crowd is an interesting study.

For those not on board:

[BlueMTexpat]

49. Love the gif! eom

[lunamagica]

68. Thankfully, their "revolution" is DOA. Hillary is bringing the real revolution. Democracy and it's

freedom of speech will prevail.

She will build on President Obama's legacy, and by her second term, the GOP chances of ever getting the WH will be a joke.

[Politicub]

69. I'm disgusted with so much that is allowed to happen on DU

With zero repercussions for the perpetrators or the groups that enable them.

The way many Sanders supporters choose to fight is browbeat those who disagree into silence. Fuck that.

The sad thing is, the jury system enables the bahavior.

This is democratic underground. It should not be shut the fuck up underground.

[Trust Buster]

71. Expect more of this nonsense as reality hits home in the next two weeks.

DU ignoring this issue will only lead to further escalation. I guess nipping something in the bud is not a progressive enough solution for some.

[Spazito]

73. Well said!

Trying to silence differing perspectives is NOT a progressive trait, it is a regressive trait.

[SunSeeker]

75. K & R for ecposure. nt

[NastyRiffraff]

76. I am apalled

Two good DUers treated like dirt: Sheshe and Cha. I'm waiting to see how long this thread lasts; I missed posting in sheshe's because I collapsed from lack of sleep last night (not really collapsed, just fell asleep about 8pm).

A message to the alert-stalkers here, whoever you are: We will not be silenced, or intimidated by bratty children (of whatever age) who don't know the meaning of democracy, let alone basic good manners. If you can't follow the Terms of Service for DU, and the Statement of Purpose of a forum; if you can't post with basic decency, you WILL be treated in kind. It's no longer a question of getting hides; we know the juries are stacked with Sanders supporters to don't mind hiding posts simply because they call out those who ignore the rules and spread poison.

[fleabiscuit]

77. Almost makes a person want to go the beach and roast some hotdogs with a fire of books. K&R

[Cha]

78. Deja Vu all over again, flea~

[Hekate]

80. If they still have not figured out that it's up to them to register voters at their own damn rallies

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.... the "revolution" won't happen at the ballot box, and the rest of us will be left dealing with thousands of sulky pissy folks who will spend the rest of their lives bitterly complaining that they wuz robbed.

The rest of Bernie's revolutionaries will eventually grow the hell up like we all have to do. They will eventually see who the real enemy is and stop trying to destroy the only viable party that can stem the tide of idiots following the latest GOP fascist.

Ooo, was that my out-loud voice?


JURY: THIS IS IN THE HILLARY GROUP

[Rose Siding]

81. We can guess but we fortunately won't ever have to find out

Revolutions are rarely democratic and revolutionaries are rarely benevolent sorts.

[SharonClark]

104. Agree 100%

Self righteousness makes a person so unattractive.

[JustAnotherGen]

82. People need to mind their own

God damned business and stop sticking their nose in where it doesn't belong.


Seriously. Gladys Kravitz lives.

[Cha]

91. Yeah, they do. But, they need to be made to do it because they won't do it on their own.

[CherokeeDem]

87. I am so sick of the way people behave on this board....

One of the Bernie Bots posted how despicable the Clinton supporters are and how we attack every thread about Bernie and how mean we are.

We'll I've been reading a lot of posts from both sides over the months and I have yet to see a great deal of evidence of that. Do we get out of line at times... yes... I have and others but to me the opposite is true.

Post something about Hillary and the wolves come out... with such horrid language and crude remarks about her. I find it appalling...

I am happy to be associated with the Hillary group... you are wonderul!

[NaturalHigh]

89. .

Cha, we have your back.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/110763277

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

This post attacks DU and the administrators of DU. You may not like the outcome of jury decisions here, but you must abide by them like everyone else.

JURY RESULTS

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Fri Mar 4, 2016, 07:33 AM, and the Jury voted 4-3 to HIDE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: I think this kind of callout is inappropriate. But getting real tired of overuse of alert system so I'm voting to leave it.
Juror #2 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: What a load of meta bullshit. Attacking another group, and admin, from a 'safe haven' is a load of crap, especially from a group host. There are 645 DUers blocked from posting in this group. There's no way anyone being attacked can defend themselves.
If DU is dead to you, please stop posting. This war is not only disruptive, it's destructive.
Juror #3 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #6 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #7 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given

[Cha]

90. Why are you posting those results on this thread? It was a bogus hide.

[NaturalHigh]

92. I guess I should have checked with you first.

[Cha]

95. So why did you?

[NaturalHigh]

97. Did you not catch the eyeroll in my last reply?

The very last thing I'm obligated to do is to answer to you for anything. I'm allowed to post jury results if I feel like it. It's been well established that it's not against the rules.

[Cha]

99. I asked you a simple question and you get all offended. Why did you post it? Did you have a

reason?

[NaturalHigh]

100. .

[William769]

103. Now you won't have to answer to anyone here.

[JTFrog]

93. .

[Gothmog]

94. I stand with Cha and Sheshe

[Cha]

96. Gracias Goth!

[Lucinda]

106. Fortunately, we wont have to worry about it.

And that was a lousy hide.

[sheshe2]

109. Thank you DejaVu.

[applegrove]

113. Go Cha, Go Cha, Go Cha!!!