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Mon Mar 7, 2016, 04:54 PM

Clinton Voters Like Obama More Than Sanders Supporters Do

Nate Silver's site has some good polling on this important difference between Sanders and Clinton supporter. I admit that I think that President Obama has been an outstanding POTUS and that is one reason why I am supporting Hillary Clinton http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/voters-who-like-obama-like-clinton/

The bottom half of the table shows attitudes that were measured in the wake of the 2012 election, between November 2012 and January 2013. We see, for instance, that Clinton and Sanders supporters differ little on questions about overall government spending or targeted assistance for African-Americans. Like the Iraq War, the Affordable Care Act may divide the candidates (paywalled), but it does not seem to split their supporters. Nor do immigration attitudes or measures of prejudice against blacks or Latinos.1

But notice the Obama feeling thermometer. Even back in the aftermath of Obama’s 2012 victory, those who would become Clinton supporters in 2016 rated Obama at 0.82 on the 0-1 scale, as opposed to just 0.72 for those who would become Sanders supporters. That difference remains sizable even when looking only at non-black respondents. In recent debates with Sanders, Clinton’s embrace of Obama has been striking. But more than a tactical play for black voters, that embrace may reflect deeper differences in the two candidates’ bases of support.

And it’s not just about Obama. As the table’s final line shows, Sanders voters were markedly more likely to agree that “at present, I feel very critical of our political system,” scoring 0.66 on a scale from 0 (“strongly disagree”) to 1 (“strongly agree”). Sanders backers are notably more disaffected, a fact which might explain their reluctance to back a longtime insider like Clinton.

It is always tempting to see the current campaign in light of past ones, especially when one of the same candidates is on the ballot. But the divisions between Clinton and Sanders are not simply a reflection of those between Clinton and Obama eight years ago, with Sanders stepping into the role of Obama. Voters’ orientation toward the political establishment — in this case, Clinton and Obama — is an issue that wasn’t present in 2008. And while Edwards has left the political stage, the appeal of his economic populism lives on.

Sanders supporters and Clinton supporters have very different viewpoints on President Obama.
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Reply Clinton Voters Like Obama More Than Sanders Supporters Do (Original post)
Gothmog Mar 2016 OP
SunSeeker Mar 2016 #1
Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Mar 2016 #11
Andy823 Mar 2016 #13
sheshe2 Mar 2016 #15
yallerdawg Mar 2016 #2
salinsky Mar 2016 #3
NurseJackie Mar 2016 #4
mcar Mar 2016 #7
Tarheel_Dem Mar 2016 #9
BlueCaliDem Mar 2016 #24
Her Sister Mar 2016 #5
Thinkingabout Mar 2016 #6
72DejaVu Mar 2016 #8
Hekate Mar 2016 #10
Cha Mar 2016 #12
sheshe2 Mar 2016 #16
Cha Mar 2016 #17
sheshe2 Mar 2016 #18
Cha Mar 2016 #19
otohara Mar 2016 #14
Cha Mar 2016 #20
BlueCaliDem Mar 2016 #25
Cha Mar 2016 #21
Setsuna1972 Mar 2016 #22
BlueCaliDem Mar 2016 #23
UtahLib Mar 2016 #26
beachbum bob Mar 2016 #27

Response to Gothmog (Original post)

Mon Mar 7, 2016, 04:59 PM

1. Yup. Pretty much works that way on DU as well. nt

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Response to SunSeeker (Reply #1)

Mon Mar 7, 2016, 06:10 PM

11. Noticed that too

Some of the shrillest Obama critics on DU are avid Sanders supporters.

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Reply #11)

Mon Mar 7, 2016, 06:51 PM

13. Exactly

They hated Obama, they hated the Democratic party, they hated any politician that didn't meet their purity test, and they turned all that hate on to Hillary.

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Reply #11)

Mon Mar 7, 2016, 10:22 PM

15. Yup

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Response to Gothmog (Original post)

Mon Mar 7, 2016, 05:03 PM

2. Much of Sanders' campaign has been a three-for-one.

You get to bash all three of the most successful, prominent Democrats of the last 25 years.

Issue after issue - trade, campaign finance, guns, taxes, crime, Wall Street, healthcare, race relations - you name it, "Democrats" have failed!

Which is a constant reminder - DINO.

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Response to Gothmog (Original post)

Mon Mar 7, 2016, 05:14 PM

3. History will look very kindly upon the Obama administration ...

... I don't think the Bernie supporters have the maturity to recognize the political headwinds Obama has faced for nearly eight years.

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Response to salinsky (Reply #3)

Mon Mar 7, 2016, 05:19 PM

4. Maturity.

Thank you.

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Response to salinsky (Reply #3)

Mon Mar 7, 2016, 05:35 PM

7. Agree completely

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Response to salinsky (Reply #3)

Mon Mar 7, 2016, 05:50 PM

9. ^^^ THIS ^^^

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Response to salinsky (Reply #3)

Tue Mar 8, 2016, 10:28 AM

24. I agree 110%.

The thing that really annoyed me about Sanders' complaints and then call to primary President Obama, is that he, as a Senator and ex-U.S. Rep, KNEW that Republicans had acted with unprecedented malice toward this president from the get-go. He was there. And that most of the issues he's now campaigning on that wasn't able to get done, is based on that unprecedented Republican obstructionism, but he's making it sound as if Democrats and President Obama is to blame, not Republicans.

That's why I can't support Bernie in the primaries.

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Response to Gothmog (Original post)

Mon Mar 7, 2016, 05:19 PM

5. After reading I got that Sanders and HRC groups are pretty similar

 

with similar values on most things but the main differences were:

HRC group is a lil more moderate and they like Obama more but both groups do like Obama.

Sander's supporters are stronger into LGBT rights and they are as a group more critical/negative towards government.

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Response to Gothmog (Original post)

Mon Mar 7, 2016, 05:22 PM

6. Yes, we see Obama's value.

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Response to Gothmog (Original post)

Mon Mar 7, 2016, 05:38 PM

8. Guess what?

The feeling is mutual.

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Response to Gothmog (Original post)

Mon Mar 7, 2016, 06:05 PM

10. Interesting; thanks

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Response to Gothmog (Original post)

Mon Mar 7, 2016, 06:29 PM

12. No Kidding! I've seen for 7 years what most of those sanders fans think of President Obama.

Mahalo Gothmog.

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Response to Cha (Reply #12)

Mon Mar 7, 2016, 10:25 PM

16. Me too.

I plead the fifth. Lol~

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Response to sheshe2 (Reply #16)

Mon Mar 7, 2016, 10:35 PM

17. ..

Check your inbox, she!

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Response to Cha (Reply #17)

Mon Mar 7, 2016, 10:45 PM

18. ...

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Response to sheshe2 (Reply #18)

Mon Mar 7, 2016, 11:13 PM

19. ...

heheheehehe

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Response to Gothmog (Original post)

Mon Mar 7, 2016, 10:02 PM

14. Angry Candidate Appeals

 

to angry electorate.

Isn't Sanders also a longtime insider?

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Response to otohara (Reply #14)

Mon Mar 7, 2016, 11:14 PM

20. Precisely, otohara.

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Response to otohara (Reply #14)

Tue Mar 8, 2016, 10:30 AM

25. Exactl, otohara. I guess I'm not angry enough to

feel the Bern.

In fact, most Democrats polled aren't angry. They're actually content with the progress this president has made, despite unprecedented and coordinated Republican obstructionism.

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Response to Gothmog (Original post)

Tue Mar 8, 2016, 01:15 AM

21. KICK!

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Response to Gothmog (Original post)

Tue Mar 8, 2016, 08:18 AM

22. Bingo

Right on target, alotnof them express total disdain for President Obama

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Response to Gothmog (Original post)

Tue Mar 8, 2016, 10:24 AM

23. No news to me. Having been on DU consistently for the past two years, it shows here, too.

The vast majority of current Bernie supporters have a history on DU of dissing President Obama, and nitpicking everything he's ever done - even the PPACA. Their posts give a strong impression of disliking him - for whatever reasons.

On the other hand, they're blind to the monumental mistakes Bernie has made that have had national implications.

So I agree with 538.

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Response to Gothmog (Original post)

Tue Mar 8, 2016, 06:34 PM

26. Seems some lead critically cynical, critical and unhappy lives.

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Response to Gothmog (Original post)

Tue Mar 8, 2016, 06:43 PM

27. its a problem for sanders and his supporters for sure...

 

among the many problems with voters over 50, women voters, minority voters...and no the under 25 are going on spring break and he'll lose too, lol

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