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Thu Mar 24, 2016, 10:19 AM

Traditionally, the losing candidates endorse the party's nominee

Most of what I've seen leads me to believe that will be the case this time around. But take a look at how Sanders' addressed a question about that on TYT yesterday:

Uyger: But! You have convinced them that Hillary Clinton is the establishment candidate. If you were to lose, and the Democratic Party comes to you and says, "Okay, now take this movement, that is full of energy and is against the establishment, and make sure they vote for the establishment candidate," what do you say?

Sanders: Well, you know, what I say— Number One, I'm not big into [air quotes] being a leader. You know, I much prefer to see a lot of leaders, a lot of grassroots activism. Number Two, what we do is together, as a nation, as a growing movement, is we say, "All right, if we don't win"—and, by the way, we are in this thing to win; please understand that—"what is the Democratic establishment gonna do for us?"

Uyger: Oh, that's interesting.

Sanders: All right, for example: Right now, you have a Democratic establishment which has written off half the states in this country, you know that?

Uyger: Mm-hmm.

Sanders: And they've given up on the slate in the South, the Rocky Mountain area—are they gonna create a 50-state party? Are they gonna welcome into the Democratic Party the working class of this country and young people, or is it gonna be a party of the upper middle class and the cocktail crowd and the heavy campaign contributors? Which to a significant degree it is right now. You know, I've talked to Democratic Party leaders and said, "You know what? Instead of going around and raising all kinds of money from wealthy people, why don'tcha meet in some football stadium and bring out fifty, a hundred thousand people; bring the damn Senate in there, Senate Democrats, and start talking to people—ask them what they want you to do. How about that?" Better? Radical? So, in other words, if I can't make it, and we're gonna try as hard as we can 'til the last vote is cast, we wanna completely revitalize the Democratic Party, and make it a party of the people, rather than just one of large campaign contributors.

http://www.shakesville.com/2016/03/this-is-getting-real-old-sanders.html


There's a ton to unpack right there (He's running for leader of the free world but isn't into being a leader?), but I don't see word one about any support for the eventual nominee. Melissa's take down at the link is excellent.

As part of Hillary's "cocktail crowd", I naturally recoil at the notion of governing via stadium mob. Is that really where he plans to take his revolutionaries? He has just folded the significant Democratic majorities that already voted for Hillary Clinton into the opposition to his Movement. Of course, it's all as vague as his plans for an encampment beneath McConnell's window, but there isn't even a whiff of party unity in there. What am I missing?

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Reply Traditionally, the losing candidates endorse the party's nominee (Original post)
Rose Siding Mar 2016 OP
FarPoint Mar 2016 #1
LisaM Mar 2016 #12
Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Mar 2016 #22
FarPoint Mar 2016 #23
KitSileya Mar 2016 #2
Rose Siding Mar 2016 #9
Surya Gayatri Mar 2016 #18
bellicosecello Mar 2016 #42
LuvLoogie Mar 2016 #32
romana Mar 2016 #3
LisaM Mar 2016 #14
LiberalFighter Mar 2016 #44
yallerdawg Mar 2016 #4
jehop61 Mar 2016 #5
Surya Gayatri Mar 2016 #19
1StrongBlackMan Mar 2016 #6
LiberalFighter Mar 2016 #45
1StrongBlackMan Mar 2016 #46
LiberalFighter Mar 2016 #47
1StrongBlackMan Mar 2016 #48
otohara Mar 2016 #7
Basic LA Mar 2016 #8
Tanuki Mar 2016 #25
kjones Mar 2016 #10
LisaM Mar 2016 #13
Jamie Mayfield Mar 2016 #16
Surya Gayatri Mar 2016 #20
misterhighwasted Mar 2016 #26
Dawson Leery Mar 2016 #27
johnp3907 Mar 2016 #11
Surya Gayatri Mar 2016 #15
Treant Mar 2016 #17
robbedvoter Mar 2016 #24
Walk away Mar 2016 #21
riversedge Mar 2016 #34
Walk away Mar 2016 #36
book_worm Mar 2016 #28
riversedge Mar 2016 #35
liberal N proud Mar 2016 #29
sufrommich Mar 2016 #30
LuvLoogie Mar 2016 #31
Her Sister Mar 2016 #37
otohara Mar 2016 #38
riversedge Mar 2016 #33
jmowreader Mar 2016 #39
Rose Siding Mar 2016 #40
DesertRat Mar 2016 #41
SharonClark Mar 2016 #43
charlyvi Mar 2016 #49
Her Sister Mar 2016 #50

Response to Rose Siding (Original post)

Thu Mar 24, 2016, 10:24 AM

1. Sanders should also go and campaign for Hillary.

He is running as a Democrat presently... Needs to show commitment and that he is not just hitching a ride on the Democratic Presidential Primary Bus....

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Response to FarPoint (Reply #1)

Thu Mar 24, 2016, 11:13 AM

12. He's not into being a leader...

Yet he's running for President.

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Response to LisaM (Reply #12)

Thu Mar 24, 2016, 12:10 PM

22. Noticed that too

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Response to LisaM (Reply #12)

Thu Mar 24, 2016, 12:12 PM

23. He could make a difference in the future...

If he is currently passionate and sincere.... I would expect him to do nothing less...otherwise, he will be judged harshly by the community in the future.

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Response to Rose Siding (Original post)

Thu Mar 24, 2016, 10:26 AM

2. No, he's setting up an excuse for not endorsing.

And it's a f&%king ironic excuse, that he would prefer many leaders, when he isn't doing a damn shit to help these leaders get elected.

And governing via football stadiums is so disenfranchising huge swathes of the Dems I don't even know where to start. People who work two jobs, single parents, people with health problems, people who don't speak English - check, check, check, check. No wonder Sanders would prefer football stadiums, the only voters who could meet and spend whole days talking there would be his beloved college students. Someone archly asked if one of these football stadiums were in North Carolina - where transgender people can't go to the bathroom during breaks in this "democratic" dream of his.

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Response to KitSileya (Reply #2)

Thu Mar 24, 2016, 10:56 AM

9. I think the cheering crowds, rather than a means to an end,

have become for him the prize he wishes to retain. That he made this specific statement makes me think he's thought of how he can still have that after this election is history.

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Response to Rose Siding (Reply #9)

Thu Mar 24, 2016, 11:57 AM

18. Bingo!

 

"I think the cheering crowds, rather than a means to an end, have become for him the prize he wishes to retain."


He's rapidly becoming a bad joke.

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Response to Surya Gayatri (Reply #18)

Thu Mar 24, 2016, 09:36 PM

42. Very true, and very sad

Sen. Sanders will rue his behavior once he has ceased to be the flavor of the moment. I'll be gravely disappointed if he does not do the right thing and endorse Hillary despite his disappointment just as Hillary did for our wonderful current president back in 2008. If he just stomps home to Vermont without being gracious and doing anything to help the party beat those troglodyte imbeciles on the GOP side, there will be a reckoning and it will likely not turn out as Sen. Sanders expects.

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Response to KitSileya (Reply #2)

Thu Mar 24, 2016, 01:52 PM

32. He's setting up for a Naderesque run in the general.

His plan was to win and decline the nomination. Then run as Independent. That's his MO.

"I will only be your leader if you agree that I am right."

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Response to Rose Siding (Original post)

Thu Mar 24, 2016, 10:26 AM

3. I don't understand him

He's the one who gave up on the southern states, Obama's coalition, not the Democrat in the race.

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Response to romana (Reply #3)

Thu Mar 24, 2016, 11:19 AM

14. Right?

Oh Irony, thy name is Bernie.

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Response to romana (Reply #3)

Fri Mar 25, 2016, 12:00 PM

44. You hit that one.

For the general election it would be foolhardy to have a true 50 state approach. Unless he wants to help fund the DNC and Clinton's campaign so they can accomplish it that plan would more likely cause defeat. The campaign needs to be effective in their strategy.

Hillary has been raising funds for states to help them for congressional and other campaigns.

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Response to Rose Siding (Original post)

Thu Mar 24, 2016, 10:31 AM

4. He seriously confuses Republicans with Democrats.

Just fade away, please.

Quite a statement from a politician who just blew off the votes of the first half of 50 states!

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Response to Rose Siding (Original post)

Thu Mar 24, 2016, 10:43 AM

5. Thank you

For posting this. With these comments, I am convinced Bernie Sanders is unfit for the presidency. Just what we need, more years of inaction and obstruction in Washington. That's a guarantee with him. At least with Hillary we have some chance of busting deadlock. As for Cenk, meh!

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Response to jehop61 (Reply #5)

Thu Mar 24, 2016, 11:58 AM

19. This one-on-one interview just brought it home...

 

"With these comments, I am convinced Bernie Sanders is unfit for the presidency."

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Response to Rose Siding (Original post)

Thu Mar 24, 2016, 10:44 AM

6. I suspect you are missing nothing ...

 

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What happened to the days of, "We fought a valiant fight against a worthy opponent and shined a spotlight on many, many important issues; but, alas, we came up short. Now, is the time to use the momentum we gains to propel the Democratic nominee into the Whitehouse to continue our work. Our voice has been heard and will have effect in the coming administration and the hundreds of down ticket races across this land. Our movement is not going away.

{Then spend the rest of the time, drawing distinctions between the Democratic nominee and the gop opponent}"

But, I guess ... "movement" happened.

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #6)

Fri Mar 25, 2016, 12:07 PM

45. Right!

There is a time to use a big stick and other times to use a carrot. If he plays it right he could make some of his ideas part of her campaign and pursued once in office.

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Response to LiberalFighter (Reply #45)

Fri Mar 25, 2016, 12:17 PM

46. In my fantasy political world ...

 

candidates would be free to adopt planks/pieces of their Primaries opponent's platform, that makes sense, into their own campaign ... without everyone yelling, "He/she is stealing our ideas!"

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #46)

Fri Mar 25, 2016, 01:26 PM

47. Didn't Obama?

I thought he modified some of his positions as a result of his campaign.

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Response to LiberalFighter (Reply #47)

Fri Mar 25, 2016, 02:05 PM

48. Shhh ... Yes, he did ...

 

but, times are adifferent!

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Response to Rose Siding (Original post)

Thu Mar 24, 2016, 10:45 AM

7. "Revitalize the Democratic Party"???

 

More like tear it apart Senator.

Ugh!

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Response to Rose Siding (Original post)

Thu Mar 24, 2016, 10:49 AM

8. Self-righteous dilettantes.

We'll have to somehow win without him & his followers. They're not into politics; they're into showing each other how above-it-all they are.

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Response to Basic LA (Reply #8)

Thu Mar 24, 2016, 01:16 PM

25. You nailed many in the 3 words of your title.....

self-righteous dilettantes. I've never seen so many, all gathered in one place.

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Response to Rose Siding (Original post)

Thu Mar 24, 2016, 11:01 AM

10. I can't stand this man anymore.

I don't think he's ever given an honest thought about actually
governing. I think he came in expecting nothing except a quick
buck and some publicity. He may or may not believe the shit
he says, but I sure as hell don't believe that's why he ran.

He ran for Bernie.
A self-indulgent pinnacle to an uneventful career.

Every time I have to watch him stammer and beat around
the bush, I'm embarrassed that I used to hold him in such
high regard. I can't even remember why now...

It's a good thing you don't want to be a leader Bernie,
because you'd suck at it...and you won't be.

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Response to kjones (Reply #10)

Thu Mar 24, 2016, 11:17 AM

13. You expressed it beautifully.

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I, too, have lost regard for him. Instead of spending his last day in Washington State talking to real people about their issues, he's doing another stadium event the night before the caucus.

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Response to kjones (Reply #10)

Thu Mar 24, 2016, 11:45 AM

16. What is worse, Bernie or his followers

Bernie supporters always harp on and on about Bernie's voting record, which they have to because Bernie has managed to actually get so little done in his long "established" career in Washington. I think Bernie is pretty arrogant and comes across as a white elitist. He would rather get nothing accomplished so he can have the high ground later. His followers are following suit when they say they will not vote Hillary. This is the same actions and mind sets of the republican party. If they don't get their way then they block it or do nothing at all. And we all have seen how well that works out.

Also, Bernie has never given a specific answer to anything except for why he protects the NRA. His supporters follow him on that too. They just say that Hillary supporters have been lied to by the media and act like we know nothing about politics. In the mean time, all the media has done is torn Hillary down, and she still has a huge following because Hillary supporters, unlike Bernie Bros, don't fall victim to political slander as easy.

I don't know if I have started to hate Bernie because of Bernie, or because his followers are like a delusional cult of angry, entailed, white college students. My tolerance and my ability to not engage in conflict with Bernie supporters is wearing thin. I use this forum as a place to vent and see other Clinton supporters. I think Clinton supporters don't voice their support as often because the Bernie boys will spew so much hate and sexism your way that you want to never go online again. I have had more negative responses from Bernie supporters online than from republicans. Something is wrong when I get more respect from republicans than my fellow "democrats."

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Response to kjones (Reply #10)

Thu Mar 24, 2016, 12:02 PM

20. Well said...

 



Me, too:

"I'm embarrassed that I used to hold him in such
high regard."

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Response to kjones (Reply #10)

Thu Mar 24, 2016, 01:21 PM

26. Thanks for simplifying bernie's entire life in a aptly worded paragraph

He no longer has any credibility.

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Response to kjones (Reply #10)

Thu Mar 24, 2016, 01:35 PM

27. Stated with perfection.

BS Bernie can never take a solid stance when it comes to governing. Presidents do that you know.

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Response to Rose Siding (Original post)

Thu Mar 24, 2016, 11:06 AM

11. "I'm not big into being a leader."

Wants to be president.

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Response to Rose Siding (Original post)

Thu Mar 24, 2016, 11:39 AM

15. "Number One, I'm not big into being a leader..."

 

Wow, I can't believe he went so far to "unmask" the real Sanders.

"...why don'tcha meet in some football stadium and bring out fifty, a hundred thousand people; bring the damn Senate in there, Senate Democrats, and start talking to people."


Jeezus, no wonder he says he's no leader. Talk about a plan for mass chaos. So, this is the way to govern?

In the beginning, I felt that entrusting the nation to the Bern could be an option. No longer.

This BS pandering to the rabble is an alarming wake-up call.

He's obviously been seduced by his own populist rhetoric.



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Response to Rose Siding (Original post)

Thu Mar 24, 2016, 11:49 AM

17. It won't work

Refusing to endorse Clinton will cost him the support of anybody who's not strongly Sanders specifically for revolutionary purposes. Everybody else will find their respect for him severely eroded.

The end result is that he'll look cranky, ineffective, and bitter. I'm firmly convinced that somebody's going to point that out to him.

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Response to Treant (Reply #17)

Thu Mar 24, 2016, 01:10 PM

24. Early on, people like Michael Moore, Noam Chomsky signaled they will go with the nominee

of course, I recall BS himself saying a while ago "I will not be responsible for the 🐘 taking power" or something to that effect, But that was BEFORE all that sweet, sweet 🐀🔩💰 came in, and especially the media adulation. That's a powerful drug. So, in the end "Establishment" will take over the Universe, while BS will be cornered with a few shrill devotees, electorally insignificant. They'll get undue media attention, but look increasingly pathetic.

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Response to Rose Siding (Original post)

Thu Mar 24, 2016, 12:07 PM

21. Bernie is a Quisling! He has no interest in helping the Democratic party.

I wouldn't hold my breath. However, Elizabeth Warren will give Hillary a great endorsement!

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Response to Walk away (Reply #21)

Thu Mar 24, 2016, 02:14 PM

34. I do think Warren will work WITH Hillary.

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Response to riversedge (Reply #34)

Thu Mar 24, 2016, 02:28 PM

36. Absoutely! She will be part of a powerful team!

Bernie? Not so much!

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Response to Rose Siding (Original post)

Thu Mar 24, 2016, 01:40 PM

28. We've givin up on half the states? He's the one who ignored most of the Southern

states.

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Response to book_worm (Reply #28)

Thu Mar 24, 2016, 02:14 PM

35. I read that and just shook my head!!

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Response to Rose Siding (Original post)

Thu Mar 24, 2016, 01:44 PM

29. That not being into being a leader is downright scary

Not being into a leader but the BSers all see him as their savior and leader.

They guy just doesn't cut it to be President.

I have to bookmark this thread just for the link to that interview, so revealing.

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Response to Rose Siding (Original post)

Thu Mar 24, 2016, 01:46 PM

30. I think Sander's ego is getting the better of him.nt

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Response to Rose Siding (Original post)

Thu Mar 24, 2016, 01:48 PM

31. He's right. He's not a leader. He's an agitator. Bernie--Party Of One.

I've made three $20 contributions to Hillary, and Miller High Life is my after work beer. Bernie is still in college.

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Response to LuvLoogie (Reply #31)

Thu Mar 24, 2016, 02:29 PM

37. you just gave the perfect conclusion!

 

BS stll n cllge!!

Viva la rallies!!!


```````````````````
STILL WITH HER!
TRUST ONLY HER!!!

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Response to LuvLoogie (Reply #31)

Thu Mar 24, 2016, 02:59 PM

38. Nice

 

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Response to Rose Siding (Original post)

Thu Mar 24, 2016, 02:12 PM

33. I was just going to post your OP....




I think it is very unprofessional of Sanders to dismiss Hillary like he did. They were yuking it up. Shame on them for their rudeness.




http://www.shakesville.com/2016/03/this-is-getting-real-old-sanders.html

This Is Getting Real Old, Sanders
Posted by Melissa McEwan at Thursday, March 24, 2016



Yesterday, Bernie Sanders sat down for an interview with The Young Turks, and once again proved my point that he's running against the Democrats as a Democrat. Following are just two clips from the interview; more are available here.

First up, Sanders responds to a question about whether he'd put Hillary Clinton in his cabinet:


Interviewer Cenk Uygur: If you win, is Hillary Clinton liberal enough to be in your cabinet?

Senator Bernie Sanders: Oh stop. Stop getting me in trouble here! [Uyger laughs] There are other people that I would probably go to before Hillary—people like Elizabeth Warren, for example.

What I love (ahem) about this response is how it functions as two jabs in one: One at Clinton for not being good enough for his cabinet, and one at Obama for thinking she was good enough to serve in his cabinet.

Next up, Sanders responds to a question about whether Sanders will ask his supporters to support Hillary Clinton if she's the nominee:


Uygur: Now, a lot of people in the—in the movement have decided that you are their leader, partly because you're running for president, but, you know, you look at some recent polls of millennials, ah, they have you as by far the most popular politician, but they actually have you as more popular as a person they'd like to meet above Beyoncé, okay? [Sanders belly-laughs] Now that's a hell of a thing, right?

Sanders: Yes!
..........................

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Response to Rose Siding (Original post)

Thu Mar 24, 2016, 07:53 PM

39. He's "not big into being a leader"?

THEN WHY IN FUCK IS HE RUNNING FOR THE JOB OF LEADER OF THE FREE FUCKING WORLD?

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Response to jmowreader (Reply #39)

Thu Mar 24, 2016, 08:11 PM

40. Makes you want to holler!

Me too, til I return to that image of US Senators being tossed into an arena filled with angry Sanders supporters.

Then I'm just...

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Response to Rose Siding (Original post)

Thu Mar 24, 2016, 08:15 PM

41. "Number One, I'm not big into being a leader"

That jumped out at me. Wow, does he understand the job he is campaigning for?

Also, I've noticed that at his rallies, his supporters BOO whenever Clinton is mentioned, and Bernie says nothing in response. That is concerning to me.

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Response to Rose Siding (Original post)

Thu Mar 24, 2016, 09:37 PM

43. Disgusting all the way around

The loaded TYT questions and Bernie's responses, just good old boys chatting away and dissing the Democratic Party.

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Response to Rose Siding (Original post)

Fri Mar 25, 2016, 03:06 PM

49. Once more: BERNIE'S NOT A DEMOCRAT

So why should he endorse a candidate from a party of which he is not a member. Thanks for the donor list and the party apparatus, Dems, but now I'm outta here!

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Response to Rose Siding (Original post)

Fri Mar 25, 2016, 03:09 PM

50. coup d'etat

 

into Democratic Party!

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