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Her Sister

(6,444 posts)
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 05:36 PM Mar 2016

Elizabeth Warren Would Be the Most Liberal Democratic Nominee Since 1972

http://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/elizabeth-warren-would-be-the-most-liberal-democratic-nominee-since-1972/

Elizabeth Warren probably isn’t going to run for or win the Democratic nomination for president in 2016, but that hasn’t stopped progressives from trying to get her to run. And it’s no wonder: Warren would be among the most liberal presidential candidates — if not the most liberal — in the modern era (since 1972, when Democrats began selecting their nominee through the caucus and primary process).

Quantifying the ideology of politicians is tricky, but we’ll use a method similar to FiveThirtyEight’s presidential forecasting model by looking at each nominee’s congressional voting record, fundraising and public statements (Adam Bonica’s ideological scores based on a candidate’s donors, joint DW-Nominate scores based on a candidate’s voting record in Congress, and On the Issues scores based on public statements).

In all cases, negative scores mean more liberal. We usually standardize and average these three metrics, but there aren’t scores for all the candidates before 2000 and comparing across time can be tricky. So let’s keep this simple and just look at each metric separately.

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The logic behind Bonica’s fundraising scores goes basically like this: If liberals are giving you lots of money, you’re probably pretty liberal, and if conservatives are filling your coffers, well … you get it. According to Bonica’s scores — the only system of the three for which we have grades for all the candidates — Warren would be by far the most liberal nominee in the modern era. Indeed, fellow Democrats have sought her help on the campaign trail in large part because of her appeal among liberal donors. It’s also no surprise that those at Netroots Nation have taken a shine to her.

If Warren were to win the Democratic nomination, she’d rank as the second-most liberal nominee who served in the Senate or House. Her voting record has been to the left of Walter Mondale’s; only the famously liberal George McGovern had a more leftward-leaning legislative record. By contrast, the past three Democrats to represent the party on the presidential ticket were all near the center of the Democratic Senate caucus, while Warren has the fifth-most liberal voting record in the Senate today.

On public statements, Warren ranks a clear second. The only past nominee to her left, according to On the Issues, is John Kerry. But the distance between Warren and Kerry is smaller than the distance between Warren and any other past nominee. In other words, Warren’s liberalness on this measure is pretty clear — far to the left of President Obama.

In terms of 2016 contenders, Warren is to the left of both Vice President Joe Biden and former secretary of state Hillary Clinton on all three of these measures.

But it’s not like Biden and Clinton aren’t liberal. Clinton especially has a fairly liberal donor base by historical standards. Clinton would be to the left of the median senator (-0.33) in terms of voting record. Clinton, like Biden and Warren, would be the second-most liberal nominee in the modern era in terms of public statements.

And therein lies Warren’s problem. The clamoring for Warren to run in 2016 doesn’t go much beyond the progressive wing of the Democratic Party. Warren may be the most liberal, but the other top 2016 contenders haven’t left a lot of room on the ideological left for her to gain a foothold.
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Elizabeth Warren Would Be the Most Liberal Democratic Nominee Since 1972 (Original Post) Her Sister Mar 2016 OP
K&R! stonecutter357 Mar 2016 #1
This was obviously written before Sanders jumped into the race CajunBlazer Mar 2016 #2
yes in July of 2014! Her Sister Mar 2016 #3
I disagree. His voting record doesn't match his message. misterhighwasted Mar 2016 #5
And I'm just saying.... CajunBlazer Mar 2016 #6
No thanks. I can look at the Congressional record misterhighwasted Mar 2016 #9
You can spend many hours just scanning the Congressional Record CajunBlazer Mar 2016 #12
Where is Hillary? fun n serious Mar 2016 #4
Next to E Warren misterhighwasted Mar 2016 #7
Thank you! nt fun n serious Mar 2016 #8
Btw, E Warren also is a supporter of EMILY'S LIST. misterhighwasted Mar 2016 #11
Listening to BS'ers fun n serious Mar 2016 #10
Nah, +10 CajunBlazer Mar 2016 #13
Yep. fun n serious Mar 2016 #14
But, But, She Used Be A Republican otohara Mar 2016 #15
Maybe because they still hope she will endorce him? CajunBlazer Mar 2016 #16

CajunBlazer

(5,648 posts)
2. This was obviously written before Sanders jumped into the race
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 05:44 PM
Mar 2016

Similar calculations pegged Sanders as twice as liberal as any recent Democratic nominee and he would certainly be far to the left of Warren. That's why everyone in the Green Party loves him and why he will never be elected President of the United States.

 

Her Sister

(6,444 posts)
3. yes in July of 2014!
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 05:49 PM
Mar 2016

Way before today's toxic environment of purity tests. I find it fascinating to go back in time a little before people knew what was going to be happening now. It is telling! Yeah she is super left but people like HRC are not that far off! and are not Republican!

misterhighwasted

(9,148 posts)
5. I disagree. His voting record doesn't match his message.
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 05:56 PM
Mar 2016

No way is he more liberal.
Its his State & Congressional record that disqualifies him.
Just sayin.

CajunBlazer

(5,648 posts)
6. And I'm just saying....
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 05:59 PM
Mar 2016

...what I saw. You can google the article which was posted some time ago on GD-P and have your discussion with the author.

CajunBlazer

(5,648 posts)
12. You can spend many hours just scanning the Congressional Record
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 07:17 PM
Mar 2016

And then you would have to do an analyses the content of each bill not only for Warren's, but also for each of other nominees and candidates for the nomination in order to get understand of their relative positions on the liberal scale. I don't think you want to spend the time to do that.

In addition the analysis like the one above and the one to which I am referring are much more comprehensive than simply analyzing how people vote.

These analysis are performed by "looking at each nominee’s congressional voting record, fundraising and public statements (Adam Bonica’s ideological scores based on a candidate’s donors, joint DW-Nominate scores based on a candidate’s voting record in Congress, and On the Issues scores based on public statements)."

 

otohara

(24,135 posts)
15. But, But, She Used Be A Republican
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 07:52 PM
Mar 2016

and we all know if you're a female candidate who once dabbled in the GOP is unacceptable.

Right Hillary aka Goldwater girl?

Why does Elizabeth gets a pass from Sanders supporters when she was a Republican for many years.

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