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Her Sister

(6,444 posts)
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 12:01 PM Apr 2016

Rachel Maddow And The Hard Truths For Bernie: Tad Devine Is Full Of Crap Edition.

Maddow, A Constant Sanders Supporter Takes On The Hypocrisy In Sanders'/Devine's New Strategy.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/3/29/1507807/-Rachel-Maddow-And-The-Hard-Truths-For-Bernie-Tad-Devine-Is-Full-Of-Crap-Edition

After a long election cycle of championing Bernie’s cause….. Rachel took to her show to combat the two newest strategies the Sanders campaign has turned to in order to try and remain relevant in the overall competitive discussion.

It is definitely worth a watch…

bluenationreview.com/…

Rachel takes particular exception to two new talking points:

1. That the Sanders campaign will try to have the Superdelegates overturn the will of the voters when he does not achieve the majority of pledged delegates.

And

2. That Hillary is only ahead because she ran up huge margins in states Bernie didn't bother to contest. Rachel seems particularly annoyed with that narrative and provides concrete evidence it’s a load of malarkey.

Tad Devine is taking the Sanders campaign down a dangerous path that could ultimately damage whatever credit Bernie has built up in this election cycle. Both of these strategies stink of politics. That’s not supposed to be Bernie’s “brand”.

Seriously, watch it! It’s really fascinating.
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Rachel Maddow And The Hard Truths For Bernie: Tad Devine Is Full Of Crap Edition. (Original Post) Her Sister Apr 2016 OP
Sanders' Campaign weak claims Gothmog Apr 2016 #1
We can say Rachel Maddow is not impressed Her Sister Apr 2016 #2
Yep all american girl Apr 2016 #4
Rats from a sinking ship. stopbush Apr 2016 #5
The "Bernie dudes" are BlueMTexpat Apr 2016 #6
Notice I didn't say all american girl Apr 2016 #9
We weren't really trying Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Apr 2016 #7
K&R! DemonGoddess Apr 2016 #3
"Huge margins in states Bernie didn't bother to contest" liberal N proud Apr 2016 #8

Gothmog

(145,046 posts)
1. Sanders' Campaign weak claims
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 12:12 PM
Apr 2016

This is a good report on the silliness of the Sanders campaign claim http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/bernie-sanders-campaign-offers-awkward-take-state-the-race

But as a rule, presidential campaigns don’t get to lose a whole bunch of key primaries by wide margins and then declare, “Yeah, but we weren’t really trying.” If these eight nominating contests have left the Sanders campaign at a disadvantage they’re unlikely to overcome, it’s actually incumbent on his top aides and strategists to explainwhy they didn’t make more of an effort in these states.

It’s easy to imagine folks from Team Clinton saying they weren’t exactly going all out to win in Idaho and Utah – states Sanders won easily – but competitive candidates for national office don’t get to use that as an excuse when things aren’t going as well as they’d like.

At its root, Devine’s argument is that Team Sanders identified a series of early, delegate-rich states, but they chose not to bother with them. That’s not just a bad argument; it’s the kind of message that’s probably going to irritate quite a few Sanders supporters who expect more from their team.

Making matters slightly worse, Tad Devine’s pitch isn’t altogether accurate. In Virginia, for example – one of the eight primaries in which he says Team Sanders chose not to compete – plenty of campaign watchers know the senator actually made an effort in the commonwealth and lost anyway. The senator also campaigned in Texas, which is another one of the states Devine said the campaign wrote off.

As for the argument that Sanders wins “in every place that we compete with her,” even taken at face value, it’s not an especially compelling argument: Team Sanders made a real effort to win in states like Arizona, Nevada, Ohio, and Massachusetts, but he lost in each of them.

Don’t be too surprised if Devine walks back his comments today. It’s just not a message that does Team Sanders any favors.

Update: Devine also said the Sanders campaign chose to compete for state victories, rather than compete for delegate victories. I have no idea why the campaign would deliberately choose to compete by the wrong metric that would lead to defeat, but if I were a die-hard Sanders backer, this kind of rhetoric would be incredibly frustrating.

This excuse is so very weak

all american girl

(1,788 posts)
4. Yep
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 12:30 PM
Apr 2016

I listen to her podcast...not visuals, and I could tell she was leaning towards Bernie, but I always thought she was fair and asked hard questions from both. Lately, listening to her, I feel she is not amused by them, the Bernie campaign. I like she doesn't seem to care care what the Bernie dudes think.

stopbush

(24,393 posts)
5. Rats from a sinking ship.
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 12:44 PM
Apr 2016

Part of keeping your job/rep as an "insightful journalist" involves getting ahead of an emerging story and cutting bait with your previous opinions so you can say "I told you so" when the shit hits the fan.

all american girl

(1,788 posts)
9. Notice I didn't say
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 01:31 PM
Apr 2016

Bernie bros...a hide. They don't won't to know what I use to say before berniebr**, and yes they are. They don't seem to understand that there are a lot more people than millennials...old farts like me....mom of a millennial.

Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin

(107,837 posts)
7. We weren't really trying
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 12:52 PM
Apr 2016

Sounds like an excuse a child would make. No wonder Sanders is so popular among the young.

liberal N proud

(60,334 posts)
8. "Huge margins in states Bernie didn't bother to contest"
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 01:25 PM
Apr 2016

I say tough SHIT! If you don't participate, you can't expect to get the goodies.

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