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Bernie Sanders just confirmed every negative thing Ive ever written about himhttp://www.dailynewsbin.com/opinion/bernie-sanders-just-confirmed-every-negative-thing-ive-written-about-him-in-the-past-two-months/24326/
Two months ago Bernie Sanders came under the mistaken sudden impression that he could win. Perhaps his advisors sold him on that nonsense so he would remain in the race longer before dropping out, so they could keep getting paid. Regardless of who planted to seed, Sanders went as negative and dishonest toward Hillary Clinton as possible. He was counting on the media to ignore his hypocrisy and continue reporting on him with kid gloves, because their underdog good guy narrative about him has been too ratings-friendly to poke any holes in just yet.
And sure enough, the media mostly let him get away with it. Sanders and his campaign faked the endorsements of major entities, and even when those groups cried foul, the national media ignored it. He embarked on misleading claims about Clintons speeches to Wall Street, attacking her character after having promised he wouldnt engage in personal attacks. He claimed that every move the Democratic Party made was a conspiracy against him, even in the instances where he was obviously cheating. Last week he even put out a press release publicly thanking Clinton for having agreed to a debate in New York, when Clinton had actually said no to the debate. But that was just the warm up act.
I dutifully documented all of this, because it felt editorially appropriate. When the candidate of ideas morphs into just another scheming politician, it becomes time to cover him as scrutinizingly as any other candidate. But perhaps because I was the only one willing to go there, I sure took heat for it. Even my liberal friends and journalism colleagues, many of whom have told me privately that they think Sanders is an buffoon, suggested that I shouldnt criticize his antics. Perhaps they were understandably queasy about the idea of having to admit that he fooled us all.
Finally, after months of Bernie Sanders growing progressively dirtier, and nearly everyone in the media but me letting him get away with it, Hillary Clinton had enough of him yesterday. She said she was sick of the Sanders campaign lying about her. The response from Sanders today: he wants her to apologize for finally calling him out on his torrent of dishonesty. What a sick son of a you-know-what he turned out to be.
There was a part of me that wanted to be wrong all along these months. Perhaps Bernie Sanders would quickly regain his conscience, stop the dishonest antics, and get back to the clean campaign of ideas that won people over in the first place meaning Id have been taking him to the woodshed all this time for no reason. But as of today theres obviously no hope of that. Confronted head on with his own dishonest tactics, Sanders has decided to make it his opponents fault. It confirms and justifies every negative thing Ive reported about him over the past two months, sadly.
HRC GROUP READY!!!
cosmicone
(11,014 posts)as heated as Kennedy v Carter got in 1980, they NEVER impugned each others' character.
Her Sister
(6,444 posts)what other reporters have been thinking about BS and why they just have had gloves off this whole time when it came to BS and his antics.
We have been almost on our own in our complaining b/c the media has just avoided and ignored. BS seemed to have counted on and thus benefited from this so far.
liberal N proud
(60,332 posts)Between the BSER'S and the Trump morons, I can't figure it out.
Haveadream
(1,630 posts)like a challenge to their dominance. The racists, sexists and xenophobes are out in force this election cycle and are not going to allow women or minorities to "take over". Unfortunately, for all the desperate and fabricated excuses, it is that simple. That is why Trump and Sanders supporters have so much in common in terms of behavior. That is why their talking points are the same. Even the preponderance of white/male demographics are the same. They have no insight into their underlying motives and if they do, blame the victims. In either account, they have no shame. We made so much progress with Obama and the vast number of Democrats intuitively know we have to keep going. Hillary gets it. She represents that (always has) and they are doing everything they can to stop her.
brer cat
(24,524 posts)stopbush
(24,392 posts)the Rs would label it a rejection of the Obama presidency by the Ds.
BlueMTexpat
(15,365 posts)KittyWampus
(55,894 posts)and speak empty rhetoric.
They are both Ideologues appealing to other ideologues.
The difference between them is Trump is to the far Right and Sanders is to the far Left.
LannyDeVaney
(1,033 posts)when I saw how young males in the "GameGate" saga were just horrible. I honestly felt like young folks today were much more progressive than people of my generation.
Prior to GamerGate, I was encouraged by the younger generation moving up and moving the country forward.
I was wrong. We are seeing again now with Sander's supporters.
sweetloukillbot
(10,972 posts)I won't say they're the same people, but there is crossover. And Gamergate advocates should not be welcome here.
Cha
(296,848 posts)Just like when they downloaded Hillary's data.. it was her fault and the DNC's .. they sued the DNC for being mean to them, was it?
BS and his fraudulent campaign are really getting her ready for the teabaggers.
Thank you, Her Sister.. You know so many of us know exactly what Bill Palmer is writing about.
stonecutter357
(12,694 posts)Surya Gayatri
(15,445 posts)BINGO!
Her Sister
(6,444 posts)But his supporters and him disabused me of that notion! VETTING all the way!
http://www.dailynewsbin.com/opinion/bernie-sanders-just-confirmed-every-negative-thing-ive-written-about-him-in-the-past-two-months/24326/
HRC GROUP IS READY FOR HER!
Cha
(296,848 posts)so I was way ahead of the curve on berniesanders.
BlueCaliDem
(15,438 posts)and just couldn't bring myself to support someone so angry, so negative against President Obama, and so disingenuous.
I'm tired of Bernie and I really wished he'd bow out gracefully. If not, I hope Hillary and Senate and House Democrats will remember how ugly he's acted during this campaign season when he's sent back to the Senate after losing the primary.
Cha
(296,848 posts)Like .. will he ever just go away?!
BlueCaliDem
(15,438 posts)Then again, he's not a Democrat and he dislikes the Democratic Party with a passion, so are we really surprised that he's helping the Republicans?
The DNC's biggest mistake was to allow this faux-Dem/Socialist to run under the Democratic Party banner. BIG mistake.
think
(11,641 posts)BlueCaliDem
(15,438 posts)Cha
(296,848 posts)going to come back to haunt him, imo.
Cannot wait!
I have a Cher tweet here you might like, BlueCali..
http://www.democraticunderground.com/110789028
BlueCaliDem
(15,438 posts)BlueMTexpat
(15,365 posts)been wary of him. Prez O has been consistently hamstrung by implacable GOPer opposition and has still managed to accomplish an incredible amount of good in the circumstances. Bernie has not even acknowledged that, to my knowledge. But until recently, I at least liked Bernie's candidacy for many reasons.
Scales are fast dropping from my eyes, however. He has shown himself to be every bit as bad as any politician he complains about and worse than some. I was for Hillary from the get-go this time around. But if I had ever had any doubts, his campaign's behavior in recent days would have clinched my support for her. I hope that any previous fence-sitters will be equally affected.
You are to be congratulated for your foresight, Cha.
Cha
(296,848 posts)had his back. You don't sit in the peanut gallery and disingenuously snip at him if you seriously want to help our country.. you work with him.
BS is a snipper.
Obama is steady strong @ 53% now, Blue.. most of the country feels like we do!
Thank you!
BlueMTexpat
(15,365 posts)bodes well for Hillary, who wants to build upon Prez O's accomplishments rather than to shunt them aside in a "revolution" from which we might never ever recover.
Cha
(296,848 posts)is based on FACT.
I love it! Lucky us!
BlueMTexpat
(15,365 posts)Hillary and Barack: two people who genuinely like, respect and admire each other! They do us proud!
Cha
(296,848 posts)Love the pic.. thank you, Blue~ They're still going strong!
mcar
(42,278 posts)I've lost a lot of respect for Sen Sanders.
HillareeeHillaraah
(685 posts)It's like we're up against our version of the tea party movement -
Ideological purity
The end justifies the means because some greater good is at stake.
Utterly distasteful.
And I still can't get past his crusty lower lip thing when he rants...
pandr32
(11,555 posts)Great post by the way!
The veneer of Bernie as a rare, genuine, clean politician has been wearing off. Unfortunately, though, too many got behind the Bernie "movement" and can't admit their candidate is not who they tout him to be. It seems easier to ignore anything that does not uphold his clean, good-guy image. Unfortunately the press has been complicit in this false framing.
On the other hand, Bernie seems to have gotten caught up in his own narrative, and the attention from his supporters as well as the kid-gloves press coverage seems to have gone to his head. He has become insufferable and insists on trying to put Sec. Clinton in her place--a place just as false as the narrative of Bernie as the good guy in this election process, and mostly crafted by the right-wing, yet adopted and embellished by the Bernie Sanders campaign.
Her Sister
(6,444 posts)We watched her almost in real time realize the emperor had no clothes!
HAHA! You rock too!!
HRC GROUP ROCKS! and Ready!
pandr32
(11,555 posts)yallerdawg
(16,104 posts)the longer the cash flow will stay on.
The M$M may have a 'mea culpa' and start vetting the outlandishness of Bernie's core proposals and define the extreme fringe nature of his campaign, to stave off the viability of the rightwing extremism the M$M cultivated on the other side.
Or the media could go for the money - take down Hillary, have two fringe candidates, and watch their ratings soar as the world is mesmerized by a national train wreck!
My money's on - the money.
Hillary supporters are going to have to do this on our own.
peggysue2
(10,823 posts)I'm in full agreement with this post. I, too, have always liked Sanders, the Curmudgeon of the Senate. But his campaign, which rightly started as a campaign of ideas, has now morphed into a nasty piece of work. The 'artful smear' has switched to all out mud-slinging. The audacity of St Bernard demanding that Hillary apologize for the Bernie Brigade's misstep is amazing, merely indicating the delusional and destructive energy fueling the pipe dream. The Bernistas are sounding curiously like the Trumpettes: never admit you're wrong, keep the money flowing.
I'm glad Hillary Clinton lashed out righteously. And Bernie Sanders doubling down?
We're getting to see who and what the man really is. Not pretty. The idea that the Democratic Party would support or realign itself around the man and his campaign is laughable.
He's burned the last bridge.
Treant
(1,968 posts)kind of early--when his campaign stole Clinton's data--and moved him into the Unacceptable category. Since then, my estimation of him has been slowly eroding.
At this point, I'm very uncertain he ever endorses Clinton in any meaningful way, and I'm very certain he won't work for her very much (if at all) during the election season. For proof of that, I offer the big nothing he's done for other Dem candidates.
Her Sister
(6,444 posts)1sttime was the second debate I watched and noticed Hmmmm he is repeating, isn't he? Did he just go back to the same topic. Can't be right!? Then other debates and townhalls, not answering questions, not really....
Then the supporters going wacko bananas.
What switched me totally and completely was the day after the night when we won ALL 5 STATES!!! What a great high! But then noticed HMMM he did not congratulate HRC and us. Also he turned pretty negative at that point. So from waking up so high and happy and seeing him trying to DEFLATE US!!! There and then, blood boiling, I knew and decided we neeeeeeeeed to VET the heck out of this guy!!!
WITH HER!
DemonGoddess
(4,640 posts)Lucinda
(31,170 posts)Koinos
(2,792 posts)He would need the support and cooperation of the very Democrats he has dismissed, the very Democrats he has accused of being bought and sold, the very Democrats he believes are not worth campaigning with or for. I do not think that all the bridges he has burned during this primary will magically reappear. Some of his supporters seem to believe that the president is a sort of king or dictator, who can rule by simple decree. In fact, without enthusiastic help from other Democrats, he will end up a useless loner in the oval office. Young people will protest for him in the streets, until they get tired of doing that. Occupy Wall Street failed precisely because it never became a political movement, where people actually vote and work hard to get senators and representatives elected. Sanders' movement is Occupy Wall Street, the sequel. It has a candidate, but not one who knows the importance of making a movement inclusive rather than exclusive. Sanders knew he had trouble appealing to minorities and women, so he made the absurd statement early on that he could garner votes from the ranks of rabid Trump supporters. These are folks who hate everyone not like themselves, including women and minorities and Obama. They have just recently gotten used to the idea that the earth is round, but are still having trouble with science, the real text of the constitution, public education, and reality in general. Sanders couldn't find enough angry people in the Democratic party, so he sought bad-tempered individuals among independents and Republicans.
Martin O'Malley once stated that no great country was ever built on a foundation of anger and hatred. It is easier to destroy than to create. Burning the system to the ground does not lead inevitably to a new perfect system of government. More than likely, it leads to suffering, death, social upheaval, financial collapse, and forms of government even worse than before. A loner socialist is not going to transform an oligarchy into a socialist utopia, whether democratic or otherwise. Unless he seizes unconstitutional power, he will be forced to comply with the usual incremental process of getting things done through compromise, negotiation, coalition-building, and relationship-building. In other words, he will have to learn to play well with others. That could be hard to do, after more than thirty years of "my way or the highway" relationship with his peers. The reason superdelegates in the Senate (except for himself) have not supported him is not that they are bought by Hillary, wholly owned by oligarchs, or just plain bad people. Truthfully, they just don't like him and would find him a very hard president to work with.
BlueMTexpat
(15,365 posts)MOM was the only true Dem alternative to HRC, IMO. But the SBS campaign literally sucked all the air out of his and I am still sorry about that.
There would likely have been harsh rhetoric towards each other if MOM had been able to stay in because that is what campaigns do and one must always discount for what is said in the heat of a hard-fought campaign.
But outright, disingenuous mudslinging, lies, swarming and alert-stalking of HRC supporters? I really do not believe that would have been the case. And MOM WOULD also have worked hard to support down-ticket races.
Koinos
(2,792 posts)Martin O'Malley was all about optimism about the future of the country, building on the success of Obama, inclusiveness, refusal to hate anyone (including Republicans), the dignity of each and every human being, devotion to the common good, and unswerving loyalty to the Democratic party. But, as I remember, one Sanders supporter said that O'Malley is just not angry enough. And another criticized him for not using the word "oligarchy," even though O'Malley spoke early and often about the few very wealthy persons who attempt to control everything. I regarded O'Malley as younger, but more mature and politically savvy than Sanders. But he entered late, had little name recognition, and almost no money with which to buy name recognition. At present, he is dedicating himself to environmental causes and voter education; and his band is playing a few gigs. And you are right: O'Malley would have worked hard to support down-ticket races. In fact, he is starting to do some of that irregardless. He gave 100% of his support to Clinton in 2008, and he gave 100% of his support to Obama when he became the nominee.
If it walks like a Democrat and talks like a Democrat and acts like a Democrat, it most probably is a Democrat. Sanders is not and never has been a Democrat. He is a goose who hangs out with ducks only when it is convenient, but not for their sake.
BlueMTexpat
(15,365 posts)Her Sister
(6,444 posts)BS must know everything you described, how the system, USA government works and the fact that his plans are hard/impossible to implement and maybe not even a good idea to do so. He must know that we have questions about all of this.
I think there is something (or a lot) he is not telling us! Something else is up! Something is just not adding up. We are missing a piece.
Koinos
(2,792 posts)He thinks that, if he leads by pushing the right buttons, everyone else will follow. He doesn't think he needs the Democratic party or even the House and Senate. Young people in the streets and in the social media will bully people and legislators into accepting his ideas.
He was never a real leader in the Senate. He was outspoken, but not all that effective. He was an outsider in a system that requires insider knowledge. He certainly was no Ted Kennedy.
I think he believes that he alone is right and that everyone who disagrees with him is wrong. That is not what the art of politics is all about. Non-compromise doesn't work very well in politics or in any kind of relationship, including marriage.
While in Vermont, he suffered through years of poverty and immersion in socialism. I watched and listened to his entire video about Eugene Debs. It was an eye opener.
He is right about the overweening power of the obscenely wealthy, but I also get the idea that he has a personal grudge against all rich people in general. I don't blame him. Poverty can do that to you.
fleabiscuit
(4,542 posts)Time for them to start hitting the icebergs.
wisteria
(19,581 posts)and for the media to vet him.
Her Sister
(6,444 posts)Not too late!
VET HIM WE MUST!
Iamaartist
(3,300 posts)lucca18
(1,239 posts)I also do not respect him. I am completely disappointed in the way he has run his campaign and his attacks toward Hillary.
I am very concerned about what happens when Hillary secures the nomination. I hope he does not run as a third party.
I do not trust him.
Politicub
(12,165 posts)my post where I pointed out Sanders' lies got hidden as a TOS violation. It must have been hurtful to someone.
Imperfection is beautiful. I don't expect perfection out of any person. It's a recipe for disappointment.
Hillary is the most qualified person to be president. So much more than Sanders. Sanders was more of an asterisk before the primary. The wacky independent from Vermont.
SharonClark
(10,014 posts)grossproffit
(5,591 posts)Yep, I said it.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)As I have said before.
Number23
(24,544 posts)raised MILLIONS of $$ off of their failed hacking and said/did nothing while Hillary's Facebook was crapped all over by his supporters who -- of course -- blamed HER for HIS campaign's cheating, it's pretty clear that this campaign's lofty goals of "honesty" and "integrity" got shat out a long time ago.