Mon Apr 4, 2016, 12:38 PM
robbedvoter (28,290 posts)
Krugman explains the reason for the pre-mortem article - more smearing
http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2016/04/04/shadows-of-smears-past/?smid=tw-nytimeskrugman&smtyp=cur&_r=0
So now, in a last desperate attempt to beat the arithmetic, the Sanders campaign is turning the implicit character attack explicit, and doing so on the weakest possible ground. Clinton, who has said that coal is on its way out, is a tool of the fossil-fuel industry because some people who work in that industry gave her money? Wow.
also Sanders himself got to play the issue-oriented purist, in effect taking a free ride on other peoples’ character defamation. There was plenty of nastiness from Sanders supporters, but the candidate himself seemed to stay above the fray.
The so called pre-mortem which is really more spin is here http://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/04/us/politics/bernie-sanders-hillary-clinton.html?_r=0 I like this on the speeches But Mr. Sanders, hunched over a U-shaped conference table, rejected it as a personal attack on Mrs. Clinton’s income — the sort of character assault he has long opposed. She has the right to make money, he offered.
It's the equivalent of this
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Author | Time | Post |
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robbedvoter | Apr 2016 | OP |
Rose Siding | Apr 2016 | #1 | |
radical noodle | Apr 2016 | #2 | |
BlueMTexpat | Apr 2016 | #3 | |
mcar | Apr 2016 | #7 | |
pandr32 | Apr 2016 | #5 | |
robbedvoter | Apr 2016 | #6 | |
pandr32 | Apr 2016 | #9 | |
Rose Siding | Apr 2016 | #8 | |
pandr32 | Apr 2016 | #10 | |
Rose Siding | Apr 2016 | #12 | |
Her Sister | Apr 2016 | #13 | |
liberal N proud | Apr 2016 | #4 | |
CalvinballPro | Apr 2016 | #11 | |
Princess Turandot | Apr 2016 | #14 |
Response to robbedvoter (Original post)
Mon Apr 4, 2016, 01:17 PM
Rose Siding (32,623 posts)
1. Maybe someone should ask Sanders about his own investments
Response to Rose Siding (Reply #1)
Mon Apr 4, 2016, 01:22 PM
radical noodle (7,867 posts)
2. I'm sure that's different
Bernie's touch is magic and makes it okay.
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Response to Rose Siding (Reply #1)
Mon Apr 4, 2016, 02:16 PM
BlueMTexpat (15,207 posts)
3. Never forget!
Whatever it is, IOKIYABS.
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Response to BlueMTexpat (Reply #3)
Mon Apr 4, 2016, 03:54 PM
mcar (41,337 posts)
7. He is pure and above reproach
Even when he isn't.
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Response to Rose Siding (Reply #1)
Mon Apr 4, 2016, 03:27 PM
pandr32 (10,706 posts)
5. Apparently his supporters don't care--he is still "taking on Wall Street"
...and not handing out any favors for his investments--so it's all good
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Response to pandr32 (Reply #5)
Mon Apr 4, 2016, 03:53 PM
robbedvoter (28,290 posts)
6. Actually, "fossil fuels is the New Wall Street"
There was an article last week about BS polling what "issues" work in NY. They may also have discovered lots of voters work on Wall Street - it's a real place, in a real city. So, pay attention: have you heard "Wall Street" from him lately?
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Response to robbedvoter (Reply #6)
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 10:42 AM
pandr32 (10,706 posts)
9. That makes sense!
He is a cagey old guy and his managers are ruthless.
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Response to pandr32 (Reply #5)
Mon Apr 4, 2016, 04:35 PM
Rose Siding (32,623 posts)
8. Oh that's right
I forgot about all the "proof" they have that Hillary hands out favors
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Response to Rose Siding (Reply #8)
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 10:46 AM
pandr32 (10,706 posts)
10. They don't need proof
His whole campaign is rhetoric and innuendo and pie in the sky nonsense.
Works great with people who don't use critical thinking skills. Makes me wonder if they teach that in college these days. Those kids should all know better, but can't say the same for all those libertarian independents. ![]() |
Response to pandr32 (Reply #10)
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 11:19 AM
Rose Siding (32,623 posts)
12. Too f'ing bad the only place he is capable of "taking on Wall St" is at a rally
NY Daily News proved that for us.
Kids -some kids- are really intent on instant gratification. I know I was! -at least til my mid twenties. Something kicked in. My judgement skills improved and I could think more long term. That isn't true for everyone, I know. One daughter had her head on straight early, the other took as long as I did. But it's undeniable that physiological development is active at that age. I hope they don't all tune out when Bernie loses, but once you've dug in at that age on an emotional level, they'll have it rough. He has really done a disservice in making them believe in such wild and civics free eventualities. |
Response to Rose Siding (Reply #1)
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 11:37 AM
Her Sister (6,444 posts)
13. Thanks for the article!
Maybe someone should ask Sanders about his own investments
http://garnetnews.com/2016/04/04/bernie-sanders-invested-wall-street/ I think maybe this is why BS did not want to go negative, he knew he wasn't that pure. |
Response to robbedvoter (Original post)
Mon Apr 4, 2016, 02:46 PM
liberal N proud (60,022 posts)
4. last desperate attempt
Response to robbedvoter (Original post)
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 10:54 AM
CalvinballPro (1,019 posts)
11. It's called "vetting." If Sanders had ever experienced it before his supporters might be used to it.
Response to robbedvoter (Original post)
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 12:03 PM
Princess Turandot (4,737 posts)
14. Yeah...
It hit all the anti-Hillary high-lies...It read like one last love letter to Sanders by the NYT, two weeks before the NYS primary.
HRC: Speeches! Emails! Foundation! Dishonesty! (Her evil deeds unproven? Who gives a shit!) BS: So noble. So nice. Almost won as many states! No reference to the fact that most of them were in caucuses in states that were largely white. Or the fact that she's won a hell of a lot more votes than he did. Or how they used polling from the onset to see if they had a demographic they could pitch to, out of the box, to create an impression of profound enthusiasm. On the other hand, the coverage of the article by others seems to focus on the idea that the BS advisers are admitting defeat. |