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Catherina

(35,568 posts)
Mon May 6, 2013, 10:41 PM May 2013

The ironies of the Venezuelan opposition, part 23 (maria corina machado)

The ironies of the Venezuelan opposition, part 23
May 6, 2013 — Sabina Becker


“They caught me!”

Well, well, well, well, well. Who have we here? Why, it’s our old friend MariCori! You may recall how, the other day, she was wearing a whiplash collar and complaining of no fewer than four nasal fractures, allegedly sustained at the hands of some Chavista rabble. And how she travelled to Colombia a short time later, to kvetch to the usual fascist sympathizers (and, no doubt, collect a huge cash infusion from the usual gringo bagmen.)

Well, somehow, on the way to Bogotá, MariCori experienced what can only be called a miracle cure:

As is well known by the right-wing press and the putschist channel Globovisión, parliamentary deputy María Corina Machado was the target of a supposed aggression. Strangely, no one knows who dealt her the particular blow that caused four fractures to her nasal bones, and in spite of the “seriousness” of the injury, she didn’t have even a little black eye, as one normally would in such a case.

A few hours after the “incident”, the deputy flew to the capital of Colombia. But in mid-flight, an amateur photographer, one of those who abound everywhere thanks to cellphones, captured the moment of a “miraculous recovery”, which has rarely been seen documented photographically: María Corina freed herself of the “therapeutic collar”, and her little nose was as straight and white as ever.

Even so, the parliamentarian took advantage of the occasion to indulge in some cosmetic surgery which she had already put off for several years, due to her “hard work” as opponent of the Bolivarian government.

...

Gee, maybe I should ask MariCori what saints she prays to. It’s obvious that she has much more of a direct line to God than the rest of us mere mortals. (Or at least, to Washington…)

Meanwhile, MariCori’s co-religionist, Julio Borges, got enough of a black eye for both of them:


“I demand a recount of the beatings!”

http://www.sabinabecker.com/2013/05/the-ironies-of-the-venezuelan-opposition-part-23.html
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The ironies of the Venezuelan opposition, part 23 (maria corina machado) (Original Post) Catherina May 2013 OP
Capriles and his ilk are reminding Venezuelans railsback May 2013 #1
That's the silver lining in all of this Catherina May 2013 #2
Isn't this special? The heavenly hosts descended from heaven to heal Maria's beak! Judi Lynn May 2013 #3
WOW! It IS a miracle! I do hope all Venezuelan newspapers and TV give it wide coverage! idwiyo May 2013 #4
It must have been a Cuban doctor who performed that miracle Catherina May 2013 #6
I hope it goes far and wide, too, because it's easily disproven. joshcryer May 2013 #15
Kick for visibility idwiyo May 2013 #5
LOL ocpagu May 2013 #7
You buy into propaganda way way too easily. joshcryer May 2013 #14
You ladies are like a pack of vicious teenagers. You're all Mean Girls. Flatulo May 2013 #8
I AM ashamed for you and that little rich spoiled brat. idwiyo May 2013 #9
You're ashamed for me because I have a little empathy for a woman who's had her nose smashed? Flatulo May 2013 #10
I would have felt sorry for her IF what she claims was true. As it looks to be a pure unadulterated idwiyo May 2013 #11
Oh, so is it your contention that she did not have surgery for a broken nose, or that she Flatulo May 2013 #12
They're saying it's a conspiracy. joshcryer May 2013 #13
Thank you for providing the info in regards to this image. Good catch. idwiyo May 2013 #17
I found the claims fishy when I saw her Globovision talk. joshcryer May 2013 #20
I watched that interview specifically because of this image. idwiyo May 2013 #23
Jesus Christ, you remind me of 9/11 CT 'researchers'. Well, this beam fell this way when it should Flatulo May 2013 #24
Well, you didn't seem to have a problem with stating your opinion of her condition based on idwiyo May 2013 #25
I'm incredulous that you think that your experience with facial injuries (one entire data point) Flatulo May 2013 #33
I've seen a lot of her videos. joshcryer May 2013 #26
Your opinion is based on video. It is as valid as mine. idwiyo May 2013 #29
My opinion is based on rebutting fabrications. joshcryer May 2013 #30
Someone actually kicked repeatedly in the head would come looking a whole lot different. Judi Lynn May 2013 #28
I suspect you have never had a broken nose. joshcryer May 2013 #31
I suspect you have never been kicked repeatedly in the head, as she has claimed happened to her. Judi Lynn May 2013 #32
The fabrications continue. joshcryer May 2013 #36
If this were true we wouldn't need doctors, because every single injury, especially those to the Flatulo May 2013 #34
People kicked repeatedly in the head don't get up and waddle off. It's a little harder for them. Judi Lynn May 2013 #35
Like how a photograph from April was redesignated as May? joshcryer May 2013 #37
Wait - what? What qualifies you to make such an outrageously made-up claim? Flatulo May 2013 #38
She might have been injured in the brawl that she and her ilk started. Or not. One can do wonders idwiyo May 2013 #16
"If it were Chavistas who started that brawl" joshcryer May 2013 #18
Sorry, Chavistas did not start this brawl. Capriles side did. idwiyo May 2013 #19
So anyone who protests injustice get what they asked for? joshcryer May 2013 #21
Anyone who resorts to a violent action. Wasn't it clear from my two previous posts? idwiyo May 2013 #22
If the opposition pulled the first punch we'd have the video. joshcryer May 2013 #27
Interesting that Sabina has kept this picture up, despite it having been taken before the attack naaman fletcher May 2013 #39
It is not a common characteristic of authoritarians to admit error, I've observed. Flatulo May 2013 #40
Nope, they just repeat their lies until people believe it. joshcryer May 2013 #41

Catherina

(35,568 posts)
2. That's the silver lining in all of this
Tue May 7, 2013, 12:08 AM
May 2013

They think the poor have short memories and don't remember what was to be invisible, practically homeless and hungry as they slaved away for pennies.

Judi Lynn

(160,515 posts)
3. Isn't this special? The heavenly hosts descended from heaven to heal Maria's beak!
Tue May 7, 2013, 05:12 AM
May 2013

Who can forget the terrifying photo of poor Maria, with her poor proboscis swollen, and mashed, with black and blue coloration throughout, looking like a rotten potato nailed to the center of her poor beaten, and KICKED face by those mean Chavistas, and her poor, poor lovely eyes, surrounded by black circles like raccoon eyes, have been SAVED by the heavenly host from blindness! Hallelujah, it IS a heavenly miracle, because she, Venezuela's leading female publicity chasing oligarch, pleaseth the oligarchy GAWD. Can I hear an "Amen?"

[center]

Glory to the universe, the beaten, and kicked, U.S.
taxpayer-supported Venezuelan oligarch LIVES!
Woohoo! Hot damn! Let us roll out the barrel, we'll
have a barrel of fun!

[/center]

Thank the Almighty! We all know this to be the absolute truth, or Maria wouldn't have said it. There has been a true miracle, or she would look like a liar now, without that explanation, Jesus saves.

idwiyo

(5,113 posts)
4. WOW! It IS a miracle! I do hope all Venezuelan newspapers and TV give it wide coverage!
Tue May 7, 2013, 06:03 AM
May 2013

I mean, it's sooooo inspiring and uplifting!

Catherina

(35,568 posts)
6. It must have been a Cuban doctor who performed that miracle
Tue May 7, 2013, 11:35 AM
May 2013
May 2, 2013

Machado underwent surgery Thursday on her nose, which she said was broken when political rivals threw her to the floor and repeatedly kicked her in the face.

http://www.montrealgazette.com/news/Venezuelan+lawmaker+undergo+surgery+following+violence/8327642/story.html


What a piece of work these Bush cronies are

joshcryer

(62,269 posts)
15. I hope it goes far and wide, too, because it's easily disproven.
Wed May 8, 2013, 06:59 PM
May 2013

So people buying into Aporrea look quite foolish when they do so.

Same picture, purported to be taken in early May, on April 4: https://twitter.com/tongorocho/status/319792944922107905

 

ocpagu

(1,954 posts)
7. LOL
Tue May 7, 2013, 01:07 PM
May 2013

It's a miracle, brothers and sisters! Hallelujah!

Blessed be those who believe in the Invisible Hand for they will be cured.

joshcryer

(62,269 posts)
14. You buy into propaganda way way too easily.
Wed May 8, 2013, 06:56 PM
May 2013

You can see the original twitter post here, on April 4, a whole month and 4 days ago: https://twitter.com/tongorocho/status/319792944922107905

You can see the progression of a broken nose here: http://imgur.com/a/uHAg5

It does not look bad immediately afterward. I've had them before. It takes quite a few hours for it to get worse and the progression of MCM very much follows the progression of a broken nose.

 

Flatulo

(5,005 posts)
8. You ladies are like a pack of vicious teenagers. You're all Mean Girls.
Wed May 8, 2013, 05:12 AM
May 2013

Seriously, you should be ashamed.

 

Flatulo

(5,005 posts)
10. You're ashamed for me because I have a little empathy for a woman who's had her nose smashed?
Wed May 8, 2013, 08:24 AM
May 2013

While you lot dance around, teasing and celebrating and singing Mean Girl songs of torment.

Right. Shame on me.

Thank heavens you're all just nothings, simple zeroes on the Internet. Bitter people with nothing but hatred, avarice and envy to keep them alive. Chanting Revolutionary songs from the safety of their keyboards and cafes. Starbucks revolutionaries.

idwiyo

(5,113 posts)
11. I would have felt sorry for her IF what she claims was true. As it looks to be a pure unadulterated
Wed May 8, 2013, 09:10 AM
May 2013

bullshit I have no idea why I should feel sorry.

Never mind what that spoiled brat stands for.

 

Flatulo

(5,005 posts)
12. Oh, so is it your contention that she did not have surgery for a broken nose, or that she
Wed May 8, 2013, 02:18 PM
May 2013

broke it herself, or what? Do you not believe she was injured in the brawl in Parliament? If not, why?

joshcryer

(62,269 posts)
13. They're saying it's a conspiracy.
Wed May 8, 2013, 06:51 PM
May 2013

That she wasn't injured, just had a little red nose from a sucker punch.

The "evidence" they use comes from the chavista propaganda site Aporrea: http://www.aporrea.org/oposicion/n228281.html

Of course, if you reverse image search the supposed image of her on a plane doing fine... you'll find it surfaced back in early April. (Here's the original twitter post about it, but it might get deleted so that's why I linked that forum post since it proves that the image existed before May.)

So, objectively, the image purporting to "prove" that MCM was "magically healed" is, as usual, false propaganda.

Note: the propagandists love to add text to images so that the image won't surface on a reverse image search. But it doesn't always work as in this case. It took some digging though. Sometimes if you don't get results you have to remove the text (white it out or crop it out) and it'll work, too.

I agree with your original characterization of the nasty responses to a woman having her face bashed in, btw.

idwiyo

(5,113 posts)
17. Thank you for providing the info in regards to this image. Good catch.
Wed May 8, 2013, 08:04 PM
May 2013

Also thank you for the tips on searching.

Unfortunately for me, I wasn't able to find the original post that you found, and accepted the altered image as legitimate one. Next time I will utilise your advice on searching.

joshcryer

(62,269 posts)
20. I found the claims fishy when I saw her Globovision talk.
Wed May 8, 2013, 08:31 PM
May 2013

May 7, two days after the Apporea propaganda piece. I didn't even read this thread originally because I try to ignore them since they're mostly propaganda and not worth refuting. Then I saw it kicked and remembered the Globovision video and put two and two together.

http://globovision.com/articulo/diputados-de-oposicion-ofreceran-balance-de-visita-a-varios-paises

If you watch MCM you'd know this is not her, she's broken. Go watch any other MCM speech, she is a firecracker, very spunky. Here she's quite nasally, clearly medicated, and her facial reactions are null. It was hard for me to believe this was an act. I'm fully open to the possibility, but that would require actual evidence and not made up fabrications.

idwiyo

(5,113 posts)
23. I watched that interview specifically because of this image.
Wed May 8, 2013, 09:01 PM
May 2013

I wanted to see how she behaved.

I had a nose injury (no broken bones, work related) and could not nod or do any sharp movements with my head for at least a week after. I also have a very high pain tolerance, to the point where what I consider as mild pain will have someone else screaming. I was on morphine for several days during the recovery and still the only way I could talk was by holding my head facing slightly up and avoiding any movement.

I know that there was no way I could nod my head as the lady in question did in that interview. To me she looks much to animated for someone with the extent of injury she claims she had.

 

Flatulo

(5,005 posts)
24. Jesus Christ, you remind me of 9/11 CT 'researchers'. Well, this beam fell this way when it should
Wed May 8, 2013, 10:52 PM
May 2013

have fallen that way, and this one puff happened .0000001 seconds before it should have, so the whole thing is BS.

I never known anyone to diagnose a broken nose through an intenert video. Congratulations. Can you pick stocks?

idwiyo

(5,113 posts)
25. Well, you didn't seem to have a problem with stating your opinion of her condition based on
Wed May 8, 2013, 11:19 PM
May 2013

exactly the same video. Unless you managed to examine her IRL and forgot to mention it? Would you happen to have some other information like police records, medical records, etc? If you do, please post the links here. If you don't, than your opinion is as valid as mine is.

I base my opinion of this lady's condition based on what I saw in the video, my experience with facial injury, and lady's previous record of trustworthiness. That's all I have available at the moment.

Based on the above I have enough reason to believe that her claims are likely to be greatly exaggerated for political gain.

 

Flatulo

(5,005 posts)
33. I'm incredulous that you think that your experience with facial injuries (one entire data point)
Thu May 9, 2013, 03:54 AM
May 2013

qualifies you as any kind of authority over the whole universe of such injuries. You don't by any chance approve disability claims for a loving, do you?

Claimant: My back is broken.

idwiyo: Hmmph. I hurt my back once and it got better. Denied.

joshcryer

(62,269 posts)
26. I've seen a lot of her videos.
Wed May 8, 2013, 11:42 PM
May 2013

And I'm sorry she's no where near as animated as you suggest in my opinion. She looks definitely injured. People respond differently to injuries, obviously, but I have no evidence that makeup is involved and in particularly I know for a fact that the OP's "proof" is fabricated (and the OP should retract it but that's doubtful).

joshcryer

(62,269 posts)
30. My opinion is based on rebutting fabrications.
Thu May 9, 2013, 01:01 AM
May 2013

The entire OP is predicated on the idea that MCM was seen without a brace and without any injuries.

This is simply not the case.

Judi Lynn

(160,515 posts)
28. Someone actually kicked repeatedly in the head would come looking a whole lot different.
Thu May 9, 2013, 12:03 AM
May 2013

She would have had brain trauma, she would have been unconscious, she would have been in critical condition.

End of story.

Perhaps they kicked her lightly, so she might be out and about in no time at all, capitalizing on the story they set in motion.

joshcryer

(62,269 posts)
31. I suspect you have never had a broken nose.
Thu May 9, 2013, 01:03 AM
May 2013

Broken noses take hours if not days to present themselves outwardly. Everything I have seen from the injuries indicates a broken nose. There is no evidence whatsoever to contradict it. Rumors and innuendo and conspiracy theories, yes, but I don't ascribe to them.

Judi Lynn

(160,515 posts)
32. I suspect you have never been kicked repeatedly in the head, as she has claimed happened to her.
Thu May 9, 2013, 03:51 AM
May 2013

A mad dog pack attack on this delicate flower by those mean old communists would have left her unable to sashay off the floor.

We all know a charade when we see it, as well as disgusting attempts to leap onto the right-wing band wagon, to be included in this sideshow.

The oligarchy chorus should have felt far worse about what Carlos Andres Perez did to the poor by forcing his military to mow them down in the streets than this wild gnashing of teeth over Maria Corina's claim she has been "kicked repeatedly in the head" by mean old Chavistas in the legislature room.

Instead, the oligarchs insist the poor had it coming to them for protesting when they were slaughtered during "El Caracazo Massacre."

I'm sure many will say prayers for Maria Corina Machado, U.S, State Department employee, on the dole from the U.S. taxpayers, without their actual permission.

joshcryer

(62,269 posts)
36. The fabrications continue.
Thu May 9, 2013, 04:52 AM
May 2013

No evidence, just a conspiracy theory.

Does it hurt that I debunked Apeorra's obvious propaganda?

 

Flatulo

(5,005 posts)
34. If this were true we wouldn't need doctors, because every single injury, especially those to the
Thu May 9, 2013, 04:00 AM
May 2013

head, is exactly like every other injury and can be diagnosed and treated by looking at grainy videos and pictures on the interwebs.

What a load of untainted BS.

Judi Lynn

(160,515 posts)
35. People kicked repeatedly in the head don't get up and waddle off. It's a little harder for them.
Thu May 9, 2013, 04:16 AM
May 2013

You don't need a HD image to be able to grasp that fact.

Keep trying, your team just won't pull this off, it's just like all the other whoppers.

Spare your venom. You may need to use it somewhere else, when it will be more effective.

joshcryer

(62,269 posts)
37. Like how a photograph from April was redesignated as May?
Thu May 9, 2013, 04:55 AM
May 2013

Many ignorant people in this thread fell for that one.

 

Flatulo

(5,005 posts)
38. Wait - what? What qualifies you to make such an outrageously made-up claim?
Thu May 9, 2013, 07:52 AM
May 2013

"She would have had brain trauma, she would have been unconscious, she would have been in critical condition."

This is a wildly unfounded claim. You have absolutely no basis in logic or reality to make such a claim.

While it is certainly not unusual to be gravely injured by a kick to the head, the extent of the injury is dependent on many, many factors, absolutely none of which are known to you in this case. What was the attacker wearing? Sneakers? Leather storm-trooper boot? Slippers? How direct was the blow? Glancing, or 90 degrees? How much force was used? Toe, heel or arch contact? Did the victim make a defensive gesture?

Given the record of bullshit and propaganda that has already been uncovered, I'd say any claims by the communists are to be taken with a large dose of salt.



idwiyo

(5,113 posts)
16. She might have been injured in the brawl that she and her ilk started. Or not. One can do wonders
Wed May 8, 2013, 07:55 PM
May 2013

With a little bit of makeup and some professional help. Extent of her injuries? Coming from this particular lady everything she claims is most likely greatly exaggerated or is a pure and unadulterated bullshit. She is welcome to post a police report and medical evidence though. She and her side are well known for lying and fabricating "facts", why should I believe that this time she is telling the truth?

Do I feel sorry for her? No, I don't.

She should have thought twice before she decided to get herself involved in something she KNEW will turn violent, and she herself helped to instigate. It was her side that started the brawl. She did't give a flying fuck if anyone on the other side or even her side might be injured as a result of her actions, otherwise she would have refused to participate. Unfortunately for her she got a taste of her own medicine.

Do I think she should have a pass or some special treatment because she is a woman? Not in this case. This is not domestic abuse, she was not targeted specifically because she was a woman (she is welcome to present evidence that someone hit her because she is a woman). No pity from me.

Same goes for ANYONE on ANY side. If it were Chavistas who started that brawl, I would have said exactly the same thing: you've got what you asked for.

joshcryer

(62,269 posts)
18. "If it were Chavistas who started that brawl"
Wed May 8, 2013, 08:18 PM
May 2013

It was.

The opposition protest was non-violent. Yes words were exchanged but they didn't hurt any chavistas.

If the chavistas were the ones non-violently protesting and they were violently attacked by the opposition I highly doubt you'd blame the chavistas for protesting and saying they "should have thought twice before (they) decided to get (themselves) involved in something (they) KNEW will turn violent." In fact, I would wager that had the tables been turned you'd be cheering them for their revolutionary spunk.

idwiyo

(5,113 posts)
19. Sorry, Chavistas did not start this brawl. Capriles side did.
Wed May 8, 2013, 08:25 PM
May 2013

If it were Chavistas who started it, and anyone of them got injured in the process I would have said exactly the same thing: you've got what you asked for.

You are welcome to wager all you want but be prepared for loss. I do not condone violence, regardless who's side it comes from.

joshcryer

(62,269 posts)
21. So anyone who protests injustice get what they asked for?
Wed May 8, 2013, 08:32 PM
May 2013

That's pretty fucked up. I support self-determination and non-violent civil disobedience and whenever people are violently punished for acting as such I denounce it in all cases.

joshcryer

(62,269 posts)
27. If the opposition pulled the first punch we'd have the video.
Wed May 8, 2013, 11:54 PM
May 2013

Because the raw uncut video is not being made available there is zero chance that the opposition started it. There's no way VTV wouldn't release that video to show that the opposition started it.

MCM was actually attacked twice, the first time she puts her arm up to defend from a slap:



And here around 15 seconds she gets knocked to the floor (after having exited the podium):



A woman with a red blouse (black coat over it) sucker punches her off screen and we can then see her getting picked up as the woman in the red blouse hurries away.

VTV published the first video because they wanted people to think that her attack was minor. It clear wasn't minor.
 

naaman fletcher

(7,362 posts)
39. Interesting that Sabina has kept this picture up, despite it having been taken before the attack
Thu May 9, 2013, 07:58 AM
May 2013

Sabina Becker has zero credibility, or she would apologize and take this story down (or modify it significantly anyways) and acknowledge that this photo was taken before the attack

joshcryer

(62,269 posts)
41. Nope, they just repeat their lies until people believe it.
Fri May 10, 2013, 12:54 AM
May 2013

It's easy enough to do. Look at the recs that these objectively false threads are getting.

They have no shame whatsoever. Don't get me started on the lack of integrity being displayed.

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