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Catherina

(35,568 posts)
Tue May 7, 2013, 11:28 AM May 2013

Cuba to Send 6,000 Doctors to Brazil

Cuba to Send 6,000 Doctors to Brazil
May 6, 2013

HAVANA TIMES — Some 6,000 Cuban doctors will soon travel to Brazil to work in poor areas with a precarious health situation, the two governments decided today in Brasilia, reported DPA news.

The negotiation of the agreement, carried out with the support of the Pan American Health Organization (PAHO), was announced after the meeting held in Brasilia of Cuba’s Foreign Minister Bruno Rodriguez, and his Brazilian counterpart, Antonio Patriota.

...

“The bilateral agenda in Brazil and Cuba has been intensified with high-level visits and diversification and deepening in economic and social areas. The two countries cooperate in sectors ranging from biofuels, construction, transport, food security and health, including initiatives involving third countries such as Haiti,” said the statement.

The Brazilian government said, moreover, that the exchange between Brazil and Cuba increased sevenfold between 2003 and 2012, when it reached a record high of 661.6 million dollars.

http://www.havanatimes.org/?p=92627

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flamingdem

(39,308 posts)
1. Those two countries share a lot
Tue May 7, 2013, 12:30 PM
May 2013

and going forward could be staunch allies. The US is managing to lose out on all of that.

 

ocpagu

(1,954 posts)
3. Impressive, isn't it?
Tue May 7, 2013, 01:33 PM
May 2013

How a small island-nation of 10 million inhabitants is able to help a 20 times larger country by providing doctors to alleviate the shortage of medical professionals.

Talks a lot about their excellence in the issue.

Thanks for the news, and thanks to Cuba for the help!

 

naaman fletcher

(7,362 posts)
4. Well,
Tue May 7, 2013, 01:59 PM
May 2013

What the Miami Cubans would say is that it's because the Doctors are practically slaves so of course Cuban can just tell 6,000 of them that they are going to brazil. I don't know if this is true or not though.

 

Mika

(17,751 posts)
6. Actually, you are misinformed.
Tue May 7, 2013, 02:35 PM
May 2013

The Ministry of Health petitions their membership as to their priorities and acts accordingly.
Does the Cuban gov't send the doctors? Yes. At the request of said doctors. The Cubañia way.






 

naaman fletcher

(7,362 posts)
7. Well,
Tue May 7, 2013, 02:56 PM
May 2013

I didn't state that was the case. I said "that's what they Miami Cubans would say". Which is accurate. But thanks for the info.

joshcryer

(62,269 posts)
12. They request it because that's the only way they can leave.
Tue May 7, 2013, 07:26 PM
May 2013

The new travel restrictions were lifted except on specialists. They simply chose the wrong profession.

After serving time in a shithole, as it were, they'll get better and better gigs.

Bacchus4.0

(6,837 posts)
14. good point, lots of things going on with this
Tue May 7, 2013, 09:49 PM
May 2013

Its overall quite benevolent. I don't believe Brazil will have much to fear with Cubans being placed in their military and providing security, and influencing policy an practices politically. like in Venezuela

You have the interest of certainly some of the Cuban doctors to actually go somewhere else outside of Cuba. And of course you will get defections.

Cuba is hedging its bets that Venezuela is too unstable to be reliable benefactor.

Brazil gets the medical services. I assume this comes with a good dose of communist propaganda in those communities but thats part of the deal between those nations. It is what it is.

Not sure why some are trying to say the US missed out. THe US is Brazil's second largest trading partner after China of course. I don't see how this impacts that. The chavista crowd simply doesn't like the US.

joshcryer

(62,269 posts)
15. Nevermind that Brazil's medicine is far beyond Cuba's.
Tue May 7, 2013, 10:05 PM
May 2013

They're basically using the Cubans in poor down trodden areas where Brazilian doctors wouldn't want to go for fear of their lives. It helps that the Cuban doctors go for around $150 a month typically. If I could get any sort of professional for $150 a month I'd be mind-blown.

This story reminds me of the South African students who went to "train" in Cuba and wound up in deplorable conditions.

idwiyo

(5,113 posts)
11. You do know about Médecins Sans Frontières, I assume? Now try to think about Cuban doctors
Tue May 7, 2013, 06:46 PM
May 2013

the same way you think about Médecins Sans Frontières doctors. They are there to HELP people, not to make money on their misery. They are there because they WANT TO, not because someone forced them to go there.

It's really that simple.

Catherina

(35,568 posts)
5. It is indeed. Compare too. One country sends death squads, the other sends doctors
Tue May 7, 2013, 02:15 PM
May 2013

By their estimates, they've saved 4 million lives over the past five decades. By our own estimates, how many have we murdered within that same period?

And they're on the State Department's list for sponsoring terrorism. What a sick joke.

Judi Lynn

(160,452 posts)
17. Filthy ugly, but true! Better believe it. Sent the Salvador Option to Iraq. Incredible.
Wed May 8, 2013, 05:44 AM
May 2013

Center for American Progress / By Christy Harvey, Judd Legum, Jonathan Baskin
The Death Squad Option

Faced with an intractable insurgency in Iraq, the Pentagon is returning to its bad old ways. Remember El Salvador?

January 10, 2005 |

To deal with the skyrocketing insurgency, the Pentagon is considering creating secret death squads in Iraq. Now, the Pentagon's brave new solution for democracy in the Middle East is to revisit the reprehensible "Salvador Option," the clandestine operation implemented by the Reagan White House in the 1980s in El Salvador. According to Newsweek, "Back then, faced with losing a war against the Salvadoran rebels, the United States government funded "nationalist" forces that allegedly included so-called death squads which killed scores of innocent civilians." Today, according to an explosive new article in Newsweek, the Pentagon dusted off that model and has a proposal on the table to "advise, support and possibly train" secret Iraqi squads, "most likely hand-picked Kurdish Peshmerga fighters and Shiite militiamen, to target Sunni insurgents and their sympathizers, even across the border into Syria."

It's unclear whether the current proposed policy would direct the Iraqi squads to assassinate their targets or "snatch" them and send them to secret facilities for interrogation. In plain language: the squads would be either hit men or kidnapper/torturers. The United States has recently come under serious criticism for whisking suspects to countries with questionable interrogation techniques. Recently, for example, a German national was allegedly kidnapped by Macedonian authorities, turned over to the United States and flown to a prison in Afghanistan where he claims to have been repeatedly beaten, all because he shared a name similar to one of the 9/11 suspects. Other reports show the CIA has employed a secret private jet to ferry terror suspects to places with terrible human rights records, such as Egypt, Jordan, Afghanistan and Libya.

Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld has held El Salvador up as a model for Iraq. And during the recent Vice Presidential debates, Vice President Dick Cheney stated, "Twenty years ago we had a similar situation in El Salvador. We had a guerilla insurgency that controlled roughly a third of the country, 75,000 people dead. And we held free elections ... And today El Salvador is a whale of a lot better because we held free elections." According to a 1993 U.N.-sponsored truth commission, however, up to "90 percent of the atrocities in the conflict "were committed by the U.S.-sponsored army and its surrogates, "with the rebels responsible for 5 percent and the remaining 5 percent undetermined." These death squads "abducted members of the civilian population and of rebel groups. They tortured their hostages, were responsible for their disappearance and usually executed them."

John Negroponte, the current U.S. ambassador in Baghdad, is no stranger to death squads. In the 1980s, Negroponte served as the U.S. ambassador to Honduras. At the time, he was cozy with the chief of the Honduran national police force, Gen. Gustavo Alvarez Martinez, who also ran the infamous Battalion 316 death squad. Battalion 316 "kidnapped, tortured and murdered more than 100 people between 1981 and 1984." According to Kenneth Roth, the executive director of Human Rights Watch, "Negroponte publicly adopted a see-no-evil attitude to this army death squad."

More:
http://www.alternet.org/story/20941/the_death_squad_option

Judi Lynn

(160,452 posts)
9. Exceedingly good news! This exchange will bring good to both peoples. It is a BIG deal.
Tue May 7, 2013, 05:38 PM
May 2013

So many more people in Brazil, such a huge country, can be helped, just as the Cuban doctors started bringing back the Cuban poor to health after the Revolution, back from their frail conditions after so many of them had been living with internal parasites from hideous health conditions and food supplies throughout most of their lives.

Brazil is so large it can use Cuban specialists' help, and Cuba has a fantastic reputation world wide already.

Such good news you've shared, Catherina.

idwiyo

(5,113 posts)
10. OMG,,!!!,,1! They are going to take over Brazil just like they took over Venezuela!!!!,,!
Tue May 7, 2013, 06:03 PM
May 2013


Seriously though, Thank You Cuba for providing high quality healthcare to people who otherwise wouldn't be able to have any!

flamingdem

(39,308 posts)
13. True, major propaganda coup
Tue May 7, 2013, 08:06 PM
May 2013

but just like all those Cuban doctors toiling in Haiti, we'll never read about it here.

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