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Related: About this forumWhy the US War on Cuba?
MAY 6, 2022
BY JACOB G. HORNBERGER
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Oh, sure, one can argue that a brutally enforced economic embargo by the most powerful regime in history against one of the smallest, most impoverished nations in the world isnt aggression, but youd have a hard time convincing the Cuban people of that. Ever since the U.S. embargo was imposed on Cuba more than sixty years ago, the Cuban people have suffered severe economic privation because of it.
Yes, I know, Cubas socialist economic system has also been a factor in the impoverishment of Cuba. But that doesnt necessarily mean that the U.S. embargo hasnt also been a major factor in their impoverishment. The fact is that for more than six decades, the Cuban people have been squeezed between an evil vise, with one side of the vise being socialism and the other side of the vise being the U.S. economic embargo, which, ironically, are both based on the same principle: government control over peoples economic activity.
Make no mistake about it: the purpose of the U.S. embargo is to kill Cuban citizens by depriving them of items essential for survival. Absent killing them, the goal is to make them as poor as possible. The idea is that if Cubans are dying or suffering extreme poverty, they will rise up, oust their ruling regime, and replace it with a pro-U.S. dictatorship, one that would be absorbed into the U.S. Empire and do the bidding of the Pentagon and the CIA.
The big question the question that every single American should be asking is: Why? What have the Cuban government and the Cuban people ever done to the United States to warrant this brutal U.S. aggression?
More:
https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/05/06/why-the-us-war-on-cuba/
Historic NY
(40,037 posts)when the Country was opened up but Trump turned it upside down.
Judi Lynn
(164,122 posts)I envy your experience going to Cuba! US Americans aren't free to travel there now, of course, not because of Cuba, but because of lunatic US rabid right wingers.
Ferrets are Cool
(22,956 posts)Is Joe helpless to change it?
Judi Lynn
(164,122 posts)and their mentally-challenged supporters in Congress who always back them, and the large contributions they control, along with Florida's 29 electoral votes. You might recall the election of 2000 had Governor Jeb Bush (who was totally involved with the "exiles" as personal friends and business partners, etc., etc.) informing the country they were prepared to substitute a new slate of electors if V.P. Gore won the Presidential race, not to mention his action in sending his Florida Highway Patrolmen to cruise around voting places, putting the fear of god, he hoped, into would-be black voters....
The Cuban "exile" politicos have always drained huge amounts of US tax dollars to give themselves embellishments not available to ordinary US citizens. It has been a real racket for them, from the lowliest "public servants" to the most powerful. It will be a blessing when Cuban-US relations are made honorable, only over 60 years late, and all these grifters are left without their easy money and political clout.
US right-wing politicians have ALWAYS been able to use Cuba as a weapon, as they refuse to give up their "commie" boogie-man charges against any and all political "enemies." They have continued the Joseph McCarthy raving character assassination all these long tedious, obnoxious years, without missing a beat.
If the country can ever push aside the repellent, disgusting right-wing butt sitting on everyone's faces, get a chance to stand up, breathe some clean air, there WILL be a sane President who WILL have the power to shut down all this absolute nonsense, and restore sanity, and honor to US foreign relations at long last.
It has been a long dirty fight, with all the filth coming from the right.
Not sure how or when or if Joe Biden will see an opening to continue what Obama had started. So many, many people in Cuba were thrilled, and believed he was bringing the beginning of the end of hostility against that tiny country.
Ferrets are Cool
(22,956 posts)sinkingfeeling
(57,834 posts)Omnipresent
(7,450 posts)Even for U.S. businesss being closed out for trading with Cuba.
Every country on the face of this planet, trades with Cuba, except the U.S. and Israel.
roody
(10,849 posts)And good sex education. And universal health care.
comradebillyboy
(10,955 posts)its opponents. No freedom of speech, no free press, a true socialist paradise.
yorkster
(3,832 posts)to return to where things were under Obama and proceed from there.
Increased contact may help speed up things like real elections, etc.
And we should end the embargo.
comradebillyboy
(10,955 posts)a moral exemplar that we would want to emulate. Still, engagement is probably a better policy than isolation.
yorkster
(3,832 posts)I like engagement over isolation. Has a nice ring.
I'm a bit worried about the U.S. of A. in the exemplar department, however...but onward and hopefully upward.
EX500rider
(12,582 posts)A lot of it goes back to the Cuban government confiscating and nationalizing over 5,900 US owned properties in Cuba worth over $7 billion dollars without any compensation.
Judi Lynn
(164,122 posts)It has been known, but ignored, and lied about that owners of properties in Cuba from Canada, France, Switzerland, Spain, the U.K. were compensated long ago. It has also been completely hidden that many greedy owners had claimed their properties were worth far less, for tax purposes, to avoid paying their proper shares, just as Donald Trump has done over the years.
Cuba used official records at the amount claimed by owners when compensation was offered. The US advised owners to refuse, and since then, the gigantic whopper that they were simply victimized by the new government, which provided them all, along with the US super-power, to use this lie as a reason for deep hostilities, and a reason to invade when the opportunity might arrive, which they did, with the Bay of Pigs, and they lost.
Owners in Canada, France, Spain, Switzerland, the U.K. settled decades ago, and any time you'd like to check it out, invest a little of your time researching the matter.
Quick reference:
Brooklyn Journal of International Law
Volume 42 | Issue 2
Article 11
6-1-2018
Charting a New Course in Cuba? Why the Time is
Now to Settle Outstanding American Property
Claims
Marco Antonio Dueñas
Part I of this Note will unpack the historical underpinnings,
as well as the consequences, of the expropriation of foreign and
domestic private property in Cuba. Part II will explore the various avenues of claims resolution proposed, pursued, and
achieved to date. First, there will be an analysis of the three major American proposals discussed in this Note: the Creighton Report, the Ashby Proposal, and the Feinberg Proposal. Next, it
will provide an overview of the Cuban position on outstanding
American and Cuban American claims, as well as the various
official (and unofficial) proposals that have come out of Cuba to
date. Additionally, it will examine five claims resolution settlements that Cuba has reached with countries other than the
United States, including Switzerland, Spain, France, Great Britain, and Canada. Part III will set forth an inclusive proposal for
settling the claims of three distinct groups: U.S. nationals, Cuban American exiles (resident in the United States and abroad),
and Cuban nationals (still in Cuba). Claims will be resolved
through the following three-tier framework of settlement mechanisms, including: restitution of nationalized American and Cuban American exile assets in Cuba, including improved and unimproved real property; bilateral trade agreements, including
development rights and tax incentives; and direct compensation,
including partial interest payments.
More:
https://brooklynworks.brooklaw.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1916&context=bjil
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University of Miami Law School
Institutional Repository
University of Miami Inter-American Law Review
10-1-1973
The Settlement of Claims for Expropriated Private
Property Between Cuba and Foreign Nations
Other Than the United States
M. W. Gordon
. . .
Well before any negotiations were begun with Canada, Cuba entered
into the accords with France, Spain and Switzerland. The agreement
between Cuba and Spain, executed in 1967, has not been disclosed to the
public. The Ministry of Foreign Affairs in Madrid has stated that the
agreement itself prohibited the public disclosure of its terms without the
permission of both parties; only information of need to claimants may be
released. 14 While the Spanish accord provided for some form of compensation, recent discussions in Spain with several Madrid attorneys evidenced
their belief that payments had not yet been forthcoming from Cuba, some
six years after the accord was signed.
Trade statistics of Cuba and Spain support a view that Cuba might
have accepted a resolution with Spain which allowed for a larger pro-rata
settlement of claims of Spanish claimants than under the French or Swiss
accords. While Spain's trade with Cuba in 1960 was, at 20.8 million pesos,
less than trade with Canada, France, Japan and the United Kingdom, by
1963 Spain had become the major non-socialist trading partner of Cuba."
Trade increased slowly at first, approximately doubling in 1963 from the
1961 statistics. In 1964, however, Spain's trade with Cuba amounted to
107.1 billion pesos, a threefold increase over the previous year. Since then
the amount of trade with Spain has fluctuated but Spain has continued
to hold the lead in trade with Cuba among the non-socialist nations. 1
" It is
unlikely that Cuba could have agreed to a settlement of claims with France
and Switzerland, both less significant trading partners, without reaching
an accord with Spain. The non-disclosure of the agreement with Spain
may evidence that Cuba had to settle for a larger payment than it wished
to have disclosed to the public. Whether these observations are correct can
only be judged at a future time when the Spanish accord has been disclosed
to the public and when additional information is made available which will
establish the proportional relationship of the settlement amounts to the
total claims valuations filed in each nation.
The Spanish settlement in 1967 was executed in the same month as
the agreements with both France and Switzerland. Indeed, all were signed
in March within fourteen days of one another. The Cuban government
apparently had been unwilling to even discuss the matter of compensation
for the nationalizations of the property of any of the countries until late
LAWYER OF THE AMERICAS
1966.17 The thaw which did occur in late 1966, leading to the accords
with the three nations, does not suggest in the case of the Swiss agreement
that the thaw was particularly extensive. Cuba reached a favorable resolution with Switzerland by establishing a market for 40,000 tons of Cuban
sugar annually for eight years, while avoiding a requirement that the
Cuban government pay any definite lump sum settlement for the outstanding claim of individuals and insurance companies. France, contrastingly,
obtained a lump sum for the payment of all claims, not limited to specific
companies as in the Swiss accord.' 8 The French accord appears to be far
more favorable to France than the Swiss accord to Switzerland, although
it is impossible to determine the relative percentages which the agreed
upon payments represent in proportion to the total claims of the nationals
of each country.
The Swiss accord is conclusive only with respect to three Swiss owned
Cuban food processing enterprises, 19 all of which were nationalized by
Cuban law 890 on October 13, 1960.20 The agreed upon settlement of
18,039,000 Swiss francs was for indemnification of the nationalization of
the enterprises themselves, the payment of fees due to the entities prior to
nationalization and for the unauthorized use of brand names by the Cuban
government following the nationalizations3' The Swiss agreed to an eight
year quarterly payment schedule, with 1,752,360 Swiss francs due each
of the first three years, followed by five years of annual payments of
2,555,525 Swiss francs. 22 The stated annual payments would be supple.
mented by additional amounts in the event that further agreements were
reached resolving the claims of individuals and insurance companies.
More:
https://repository.law.miami.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=2202&context=umialr
ETC., ETC., ETC.
EX500rider
(12,582 posts)If Cuba had offered fair value for the property they stole, many US corporations and individuals would have taken it.
I also imagine the amount of property & business's that was US owned dwarfed that of Switzerland & France.