"One Million Moms", Religious Right & Fellow Apologists, Anti-Sex Censor types, Mad About drain ad.

[Warren DeMontague]

http://onemillionmoms.com/IssueDetail.asp?id=441

'Course these same "million moms" (I'm thinking about 200 or so, actually, although they may spend time on the internet pretending to be a whole bunch more people than they actually are ) are mad about gay marriage, porn, sex, skimpy clothes, evolution, you know, the usual laundry list of shit of people with nothing better to do than play culture war doily-clutcher.

My wife finally saw the ad last night, thought it was hilarious.

[zbdent]

1. must be using Glenn Beck's crowd estimator ...

[opiate69]

2. Man, oh man...

I can't wait to see the wailing and gnashing of teeth when the Order of the Perpetually Offended™ get wind of this

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

3. The outrage will cause them to drink Drano (n/m)

[Warren DeMontague]

4. Sex? Sex? SEXXXXX?

[opiate69]

5. She looks like she`s having an attack of the vapors...

why, next thing you know, she`ll be clutching those pearls about her neck, the poor Sweetie.

[Warren DeMontague]

55. Ive heard tell

Its 100 times more addictive than heroin, even!

[DavidDvorkin]

6. It's very funny

Unless one has no sense of humor, I guess.

[tech_smythe]

7. Which is why it should be hidden from the feminists group members

no sense of humor there at all

[DavidDvorkin]

9. Or equivalently they could avoid looking

But there are those people who want to protect the rest of us from what offends them.

[tech_smythe]

22. you give them too much credit DD

They seem to enjoy going out of their way to be offended.
They will find the smallest thing to be offended by in a page-long post that otherwise is in favor of their side of thing, but because A MAN posted it, it is nothing but tripe and wrong.

[Warren DeMontague]

8. I mean, shit.. The focus is on the woman's pleasure, her fantasy.. 2 dudes there as sweaty eye candy

I dont really get what the "problem" would be, unless one has been thoroughly indoctrinated to believe that sex itself is evil.

[BlancheSplanchnik]

10. As one of the FEMINISTS that so many here seem to HATE....

I absolutely LOVED this!!!!!!!!!

It was HILARIOUS!!!!!


Why?

Because the person getting to be the FUNNY PERSON was the woman.

There's an old expectation in comedy...that men are funny and women are hot. Do you know how limiting it is to be required to be hot, and nothing more, all the time? How boring are those one-note hotties? (I know, that's a tough question. But answer that question AFTER you've finished...oh how can I say it without offending some jock-clutching guy who might alert on me for being flippant about their family jewels? Um.."peeling the banana"??)

I loved it and I loved those hot guys, and I loved that the woman got to have a BLAST actually DOING comedy!!! She was a fucking riot!! Perfect!


(I was in an improv group many years ago, and DOING comedy was fun. I also Sign Language interpret often for comedians---FUN!!!)

[Warren DeMontague]

11. Where are you getting hate?

Aint no time to hate.

I'm with you, I think the commercial is a riot.

I also don't think most feminists fit the stereotype of the easily outraged puritan who is angered by this sort of thing. Not even close.

[BlancheSplanchnik]

15. Where am I getting hate?

Man, oh man..
I can't wait to see the wailing and gnashing of teeth when the Order of the Perpetually Offended™ get wind of this

The outrage will cause them to drink Drano (n/m)

Sex? Sex? SEXXXXX?

She looks like she`s having an attack of the vapors...
why, next thing you know, she`ll be clutching those pearls about her neck, the poor Sweetie.

It's very funny
Unless one has no sense of humor, I guess.

Which is why it should be hidden from the feminists group members
no sense of humor there at all

Or equivalently they could avoid looking
But there are those people who want to protect the rest of us from what offends them.

Your original post was ripping on the anti-freedom, anti-sex, anti-liberty christofascists, and rightly so---but the responses so far in the thread are a different story.
Every one of these comments is bloated with scorn for "the feminists group members", alternately known as, "the Order of the Perpetually Offended™".

Come ON man, quit being so disingenuous. The responses here are exactly what you were expecting to get: mutual kvetching about how crabby and repressive the "feminists group members" are.

I say, you guys seem to have very little understanding of what feminists are trying to raise awareness of. (hint: It's not S. E. X.)

[Warren DeMontague]

18. None of those responses came from me.

Like I said, I don't think that most Feminists are anti-sex, or anti sexy ads, or anti nudity, or anything of the sort.

I think there are puritans who ARE those things, and I also think there are people who are either deliberately or unconsciously sublimating their religious fundamentalism and advancing that agenda despite calling it other things.

I have a lot of Feminist Allies, I consider myself a Feminist. There wouldn't be self-identified "3rd Wavers" and "Sex Positive Feminists" if some folks didn't already think there was a problem with the rigid ideologies of a few people who have appointed themselves gatekeepers for everyone else.

[BlancheSplanchnik]

20. I didn't see you *correcting* any of those responses

but I did see you join in heartily, in response to opiate69 "I can't wait to see the wailing and gnashing of teeth when the Order of the Perpetually Offended™ get wind of this "

So you don't seem to have a problem with any of them. No one was referring to the religious fundy repuke conservabots. In fact, someone was kind enough to say it straight out and to the point: it should be hidden from the feminists group members
no sense of humor there at all You didn't stand up for feminism there either.

I am sorry you've had a problem with the feminist group. I must say I've seen plenty of posts from you that are pretty questionable. I'm not sure I can blame the feminist group for pre-emptively banning you.

As I said, you knew exactly what to expect when you posted: a lot of dudes kvetching about those mean ol' ladies, particularly the mean ol' humorless feminist group members.


Hey, this is right here in front of us, in black and white...you can't deny it.

[stevenleser]

21. One small point of order, Warren was preemptively blocked from history of feminism, not feminism

and I think when people refer to the Order of the Perpentually Offended, there are three DUers to whom they refer, one of whom has in fact been banned from the feminists forum.

[BlancheSplanchnik]

25. I don't know anything about that either

I osmosed that there was some flap in one of the feminist forums, but I actually don't read those forums much. It gives me sexism-discussion overload, and puts me in a bad mood.

[stevenleser]

32. It is very frustrating that the differences between the waves is the focus so much

There is so much more that unites 2nd and 3rd wavers rather than divides us. I want to talk about equal pay for equal work and how to achieve that, and how to stop rape and domestic violence.

If we could all decide not to fight about what we all know will cause an argument... well, you know where I am going with that.

[BlancheSplanchnik]

31. didn't know that. n/t

[tech_smythe]

23. you just proved my point

Thank you.

[BlancheSplanchnik]

24. and you, mine.

thanks backatcha.

[Warren DeMontague]

28. No, like I said, I don't think most Feminists are puritannical would-be censors.

And I'm only responsible for the words I write, here. If you have a problem with something I've actually said, or a response I've actually made, fine, bring it up with the relevant quote.

Telling me I'm "in trouble" in this protected group, as much a protected group as ANY of the Feminists groups, including the one that seems to have a problem with me (for some odd reason, the folks in the other two don't) for things that other people have said but I haven't rebuked to your satisfaction.. really, do you think that you're entitled to come in here and make demands about how the members of this group talk to one another?

How would that sort of thing go over, for instance, in History of Feminism?

I'll tell you how- it wouldn't. So I will echo the defensive tone adopted in those protected groups when I remind you that this, too, is a protected group and a safe haven, and if you have a problem with something someone has said, my advice is to take it up with them directly.

[BlancheSplanchnik]

29. "coming into this group"----Uh oh!

This thread was on the Front Page. That's how I got here.

I didn't even notice what group I was in.

Big Oops. I would have just watched the vid and left if I had noticed.

Just to respond before I leave, I don't recall saying "YOU'RE IN TROUBLE" I do recall rebutting your claim that you're a feminist. Period.
Part of my reasoning is that how one responds to bigoted speech in others is relevant.

I will take my leave--I'm not even going to hang around to repeat to everyone that I didn't realize I was in the Men's Group. Do me a favour, would you? Pass the word on? Thanks.

edit: I AM glad I saw the vid, though. It was GREAT!! Good find!

ANOTHER edit: HOw I got over here--my mistake--it wasn't the front page. I just remembered, it was an alert and I got asked to Jury. Which I declined. Just wanted to be scrupulously correct in my remarks, since whatever I say will be vetted, I am sure. (Already, someone is PMing me and accusing me of trolling)

that is all.

[opiate69]

26. Sigh.....

The main issue here is this:

I don't know anything about that either

I osmosed that there was some flap in one of the feminist forums, but I actually don't read those forums much. It gives me sexism-discussion overload, and puts me in a bad mood.

As a result, you have no frame of reference or context for my posts in this thread. Suffice it to say, there is a very select few regular posters to whom I was referring when I spoke about the OOPO. My other post was a reference to very recent flame-wars taking place within Help & Meta. I've never so much as seen your screen name before, so I can unequivocally assure you that none of my "hate" or venom was intended for you.

[BlancheSplanchnik]

30. true--I have no frame of reference

As I just replied to Montague, I am in this Forum by accident. The thread was on the front page. I keep forgetting that posts from any Forum can show up there---so I replied thinking it was GD.

As I just said to Warren, my bad, I will take my leave.

I don't frequent Meta, either, so I don't know what was going on there.

end of transmission.

edit: I'm glad I saw the vid, though. It was worth it. Toooo damn funny!

ANOTHER edit: HOw I got over here--my mistake--it wasn't the front page. I just remembered, it was an alert and I got asked to Jury. Which I declined. Just wanted to be scrupulously correct in my remarks, since whatever I say will be vetted, I am sure. (Already, someone is PMing me and accusing me of trolling)

nothing further.

[trumad]

35. I love you

A great post to highlight how these errrr Men look the other way when comments are made that you highlighted.

This is a Red meat Op for the Neanderthals.

[BlancheSplanchnik]

41. thank you :) Yes, when you take their own words and

rub them in their faces, there's never an admission, never any decent, humble amends.

They just disappear, only to appear again doing the exact same crap.

[opiate69]

44. Is it safe to assume

that in the ensuing month since you called me out by name, despite admitting you had no idea to whom or what my posts were in reference to, that you have looked around and gleaned some perspective?

[BlancheSplanchnik]

45. called you out?

where? could you please link that? I don't usually call out by name, and I don't remember the conversation.

I just replied to a post that just showed up; a reply to me. That is what I'm doing here.

I'm actually amazed that you remember me and that you're "coming after me" like this. I certainly didn't have you on my mind.

[opiate69]

46. This very thread. Post 20.

on edit: The obvious implication being that I had said something "bad", and that WarrenD should have taken me to task (even though he was not yet a host of this group at that point). The problem being, Warren and a few others (unlike yourself) knew exactly what I was referring to and, heaven forfend, may have found a little of the intended humor therein. And as for remembering you, well... in 9 + years posting here at DU that was the first time I can recall anyone specifically trying to chide me by name so yeah... I`m going to remember...

[BlancheSplanchnik]

49. let me get this straight...

I quoted you posting an insult of an entire group of people. Order of the Perpetually Offended(tm)---code for "the feminists group, certain people in particular" If that's not what OPO(tm) means, then give me the definition.


You consider that a call out? And you're highly offended?

Whew! You really don't see what you and your buds do? (they're stomping on our right to call them prudes. Big mean ol' stinky doody headed prudes. Waaaaaaaaaa.)

But it's alright when you do it.

You whine about being quoted. (Not called out and insulted. Q. U. O. T. E. D. )

You're upset about my opinion that Warren should have confronted you. Let me explain---Warren had just claimed to be a great supporter of women, a real boon to feminists. I saw behavior that contradicted that claim, viz. laughing along with adolescent hostility-humor jabs at "prudey ol' anti-sex women who don't get us". I called him on it.

What "the OPO" are actually offended about is the attitude. Not sex or jokes about sex. The ATTITUDE. Attitudes like, women who don't like our sense of humor should go drink Liquid PlummR. Uh huh. You don't see hostility there?

You seem to think you're entitled to insult women who don't play by your rules. Who aren't OK with snide insults. Who quote specific insults and point out self-serving hypocrisy when they see it.

Phew. This is getting tiresome.
Just let me ask for an answer to ONE question, because I really want to know if I'm wasting my time trying to explain anything at all:

Attitudes, like, women who don't like our sense of humor get so hysterical, they'll go drink Drano---hahahah. ---------Do you really and truly NOT see hostility there?

[opiate69]

50. "women who dont like our sense if humor should drink Liquid Plummr??

Where in the fuck did you pull that from? As I explained to you already several times, my comments were not directed at "women" in general, but to a specific few DUers who have a long and storied history of running around DU picking fights with people who dont view things like the ad in the OP in the same puritanical way that they do. The fact that you are admittedly ignorant of this history and those posters, yet still somehow feel qualified to come into a safe haven group and engage in snarky bullshit agitation is frankly astounding. Of course, thankfully, the OOPO has recently seen it`s membership here at DU shrink, when a certain belligerant, pseudo-intellectual bully was finally PPOd. Last I heard she`s engaging in some very telling Ignatious Reilly type railing against DU on her own site. I`m sure if you have any interest in learning about the kind of people my nickname was for, you can start there.

[BlancheSplanchnik]

51. you responded before my edit...check again, if you so choose

since I did some editing for accuracy and clarity.

not that it really matters that much--I don't think you will stop and consider anything I have to say.

but HERE's where the fuck I pulled that from.

Man, oh man..
I can't wait to see the wailing and gnashing of teeth when the Order of the Perpetually Offended™ get wind of this

The outrage will cause them to drink Drano (n/m)

OK, I think I know the specific individuals you're referring to.

I think, what they've always been talking about are the HOSTILE ATTITUDES towards women who try to point out the hostility lurking within certain posts, typical of some posters.

You went off on one small part of my post just now, and haven't engaged the substance of my post.

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

52. That was my post, Blanche

And I didn't say they should drink Drano.

I'm sorry if you found it offensive or tasteless, but the real emphasis in the humor was the idea that they would boycott Liquid Plummer and choose Drano instead.

All I can tell you is that I am not hostile towards women. I AM somewhat hostile towards puritans, of which there are many in this country of both genders. I wish equal ill on them all. I don't apologize for that.

[opiate69]

53. This ^^^

[JTFrog]

40. Excellent post.

Thank you.

[BlancheSplanchnik]

42. Thank you!!

[stevenleser]

12. I agree, I think it was empowering for women.

Now, that you and I agree, let me tell you that posting that opinion, and defending it based on 3rd wave feminist principles in the feminist history forum, got me blocked from that forum.

I'm guessing if you posted that opinion there, you wouldnt get blocked. I think they thought it was OK to block me because I am obviously a male.

[Warren DeMontague]

13. At least you actually posted something that was used to justify booting you.

As far as I can tell, I'm persona non grata over there just on general principles. Not terribly surprising, I guess, but it's telling that they couldn't even cobble together a rationale to do it, they just did it.

I know, my scary advocacy of scary things like the scary right of consenting adults to make up their own scary minds about their own damn scary decisions is pretty scary.

Far better to not let the boogie-man in, at all. BWAAAAAK!

[stevenleser]

14. That is very useful to know. PM coming soon. nt

[steve2470]

27. ok that made me laugh ! nt

[BlancheSplanchnik]

16. I can't honestly speak to this, since I didn't see your post.

Also, I haven't been paying enough attention to your posts in general to note whether there's a general dismissive attitude to feminist viewpoints--so I just can't sail an opinion here.

[stevenleser]

17. I guess it depends what you mean by 'feminist viewpoints' I am a 3rd wave feminist.

I make pretty much all of the standard arguments you would expect from a 3rd waver. I was a 2nd waver until my 2nd wife introduced me to 3rd wave concepts and, to me, they make much more sense. To be sure, there really arent that many differences between the two. They both advocate against violence against women, for equal pay for equal work, etc. And I have argued alongside second wavers here against the use of words like b----h and c--t.

But there are definite differences between 2nd and 3rd wavers and many prominent feminists like Naomi Wolf also are 3rd wavers. The question is, should that difference, and a heated discussion on it, get someone blocked from a group where 2nd vs 3rd wave is not an item discussed in the SOP. AND would I have gotten blocked if it wasnt so obvious I was a male, i.e. if for some reason my profile identified me as female. I strongly believe at this point that my blocking was gender bias, and the fact that Warren was banned when he hadnt posted anything is an important clue to that IMHO.

But my attitude on feminist viewpoints? Here are a few examples:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/11395581

http://www.opednews.com/articles/Election-2010--Republican-by-Steven-Leser-101005-382.html

You can also generally google my name and feminism and women. I write about the topic a lot.

[BlancheSplanchnik]

19. OK! I see you've got chops!

I didn't intend to disparage! I just didn't know, and didn't want to offer unfounded opinions.

Thank you for getting it!

[Major Nikon]

33. Apparently the idea of a woman who appears to enjoy hetero sex is too much to stand for some

"A project of the American Family Association" pretty much says it all.

[Warren DeMontague]

34. So it would seem, only reason I don't have a problem w/this ad is because I'm "conditioned" not to.

My wife, apparently, too. Her poor porn-befuddled brain. Conditioned! To Believe!! that this!!! Is!!!! Funny!!!!!



Yes, yes... using porn to sell drain cleaner! why would they DO that, if not because of a scary galactic space patriarchy foully trying to penis-ify everything! DRAIN CLEANER, FOR GOD'S SAKE!

Um, except, maybe the reason they use porn to sell drain cleaner is the same reason they use ducks and geckos to sell insurance.. because insurance, like drain cleaner, is not in and of itself all that fucking interesting.

And yes, if you don't think sex is inherently any more "harmful" than ducks, or geckos, then the ad's really not that big of a fucking deal.

[MadrasT]

36. Well to be fair...

I was one of the people on DU who expressed my dislike of that ad... and I am equally capable of throwing an indignant fit over that ridiculous AFLAC duck.

I mean seriously, I refuse to meet with the AFLAC reps when they come into work because I think that duck is so dumb and has nothing to do with insurance.

I think I just hate dumb ads.

Only speaking for myself, here.

[Warren DeMontague]

37. Dumb ad is sort of redundant.

But to be fair, I sympathize with the ad people who are forced to come up with an ad for insurance that actually deals with the nuts and bolts of insurance.

And DVRs have made ad viewing mostly optional, anyway, thankfully.

[Warren DeMontague]

38. How about this ad?

http://www.adweek.com/news/advertising-branding/lane-bryant-says-tv-networks-censored-saucy-spot-107288

Apparently it was rejected by several cable channels, causing quite a stir, particularly since it involves a busty plus size model as opposed to some of the emaciated runway types favored by Madison Ave.

I think it's pretty damn sexy.

[MadrasT]

39. I like that one.

Last edited Mon Jun 11, 2012, 04:57 PM - Edit history (1)

Sexy is OK in an ad for lingerie.

And I like that it featured someone who isn't a typical rail-thin model. She looks happy, confident and comfortable with herself.

Odd that it was censored... when you consider all the other stuff that gets on TV these days, this didn't seem that racy to me in comparison.

[Warren DeMontague]

43. I found it odd, too. It's from 2010, which isn't that long ago.

I think featuring plus size models is a good idea, for sure. People come in all shapes and sizes.

And you're right, it's more topical than the drain ad.

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

47. She's beautiful

I truly think a voluptuous woman pouring out of her bra raises more puritan hackles than a rail thin one. There's more skin to show, I guess.

[Warren DeMontague]

48. Agreed.

And she's really hot.

[Warren DeMontague]

54. Slate: World's Best Condom Ads

Of course, even when sex is being used to advertise, well, sex, the predictable chorus of religious right puritans invariably start bleating and whining.

[RZM]

56. I purchased and used this product today

I've had a really bad clog in the shower for months now. I've dumped lots of drain cleaner down it, but that never really worked. So I broke down and bought this.

And what do you know, it worked like a charm. And I wouldn't have thought about it without this thread. Too bad when I did it the plot didn't much resemble a porn. Nobody showed up to have sex with me. More like me by myself snaking the disgusting shit up and filling the room with a sewage smell.

But hey, it worked. While it would have been nice to get rid of the clog and get laid, at least I got rid of the clog.

[Warren DeMontague]

57. And then the clog went off to boardhoast.com and spent 3 weeks complaining about you, right?

I kid, I kid.