Economy
Related: About this forumSTOCK MARKET WATCH - Monday, 12 March 2012
[font size=3]STOCK MARKET WATCH, Monday, 12 March 2012[font color=black][/font]
SMW for 9 March 2012
AT THE CLOSING BELL ON 9 March 2012
[center][font color=green]
Dow Jones 12,922.02 +14.08 (0.11%)
S&P 500 1,370.87 +4.96 (0.36%)
Nasdaq 2,988.34 +17.92 (0.60%)
[font color=black]10 Year 2.03% 0.00 (0.00%)
30 Year 3.18% 0.00 (0.00%)
[font color=black]
[center][/font]
[HR width=85%]
[font size=2]Market Conditions During Trading Hours[/font]
[center]
[/center]
[font size=2]Euro, Yen, Loonie, Silver and Gold[center]
[/center]
[/center]
[HR width=95%]
[font color=black][font size=2]Handy Links - Market Data and News:[/font][/font]
[center]
Economic Calendar
Marketwatch Data
Bloomberg Economic News
Yahoo Finance
Google Finance
Bank Tracker
Credit Union Tracker
Daily Job Cuts
[/center]
[font color=black][font size=2]Handy Links - Economic Blogs:[/font][/font]
[center]
The Big Picture
Financial Sense
Calculated Risk
Naked Capitalism
Credit Writedowns
Brad DeLong
Bonddad
Atrios
goldmansachs666
The Stand-Up Economist
The Automatic Earth
[/center]
[font color=black][font size=2]Handy Links - Government Issues:[/font][/font]
[center]
LegitGov
Open Government
Earmark Database
USA spending.gov
[/center][font color=black][font size=2]Handy Links - Videos:[/font][/font]
[center]
Charlie Rose talks with Roubini
Charlie Rose talks with Krugman
William Black: This Economic Disaster
Bill Moyers with Kevin Drum and David Corn
[/center]
[div]
Financial Sector Officials Convicted since 1/20/09 = [/font][font color=red]12[/font]
2/2/12 David Higgs and Salmaan Siddiqui, Credit Suisse, plead guilty to conspiracy involving valuation of MBS
3/6/12 Allen Stanford, former Caribbean billionaire and general schmuck, convicted on 13 of 14 counts in $2.2B Ponzi scheme, faces 20+ years in prison
[HR width=95%]
[center][HR width=95%]
[font size=3][font color=red]This thread contains opinions and observations. Individuals may post their experiences, inferences and opinions on this thread. However, it should not be construed as advice. It is unethical (and probably illegal) for financial recommendations to be given here.[/font][/font][/font color=red][font color=black]
Tansy_Gold
(17,873 posts)I had a weird Sunday afternoon and got involved in two projects -- one fun, one not -- and didn't get the SMW posted.
And now it's almost 5:00 a.m. and I have work to do. ugh.
Po_d Mainiac
(4,183 posts)Tansy_Gold
(17,873 posts)What's mud?
Po_d Mainiac
(4,183 posts)the snow banks, that swallows vehicles and small children every spring.
Fuddnik
(8,846 posts)Po_d Mainiac
(4,183 posts)Fuddnik
(8,846 posts)She got too close after my cabbage soup kicked in. And after an oatmeal breakfast and chili dog lunch!
xchrom
(108,903 posts)Roland99
(53,342 posts)DOW 12,843 -20.00 -0.16%
NASDAQ 2,639 -5.00 -0.19% [/font]
Ain't he that French guy from the IMF?
Po_d Mainiac
(4,183 posts)"Through my role as the co-founder of the Commodity Customer Coalition and pro bono counsel for some 8,000+ customers whose property it looks like your institution may be holding without their consent, I have loudly advocated for JPMorgan Chase to return this property. In response to this, rather than doing the right thing, you closed all of my personal and corporate bank accounts and my personal credit card. I have been told by multiple members of the media that JPMorgan Chase has called them and stated that if their media outlet has me on television again, that JPMorgan Chase will pull their advertising from the offending network."
Read the whole note here
http://prudent-speculation.blogspot.com/2012/03/but-of-course-its-not-one-giant-cess.html
Demeter
(85,373 posts)but hey, they are on the run....really. JPMorgan is getting called on all their crimes as soon as they are pulled.
It is only because they can pay off Obama and/or Holder that they escape regulation AND prosecution.
He shouldn't have been doing business with them, anyway. Did he think Move Your Money was a gimmick for rubes?
xchrom
(108,903 posts)Tansy_Gold
(17,873 posts)xchrom
(108,903 posts)xchrom
(108,903 posts)Finance ministers from eurozone nations are to meet on Monday to discuss giving Greece's second bailout final approval.
The Eurogroup, which includes eurozone finance ministers, the president of the European Central Bank and European Commission chiefs, meets in Brussels.
Spain's financial status is also likely to be on the agenda.
Earlier this month Spain said it would miss a deficit target of 4.4% of GDP for 2012 agreed with Brussels. It now expects the deficit to be 5.8%.
xchrom
(108,903 posts)Japan's economic recovery has received a boost as core machinery orders, a key indicator of capital expenditure, rose more than expected in January.
Orders rose 3.4% from the previous month, up from a 7.1% decline in December, latest data showed.
There have been fears that some manufacturers might shift production out of Japan in the wake of weak domestic demand and a strong yen.
Last month, Japan reported a 2% jump in factory output in January.
xchrom
(108,903 posts)India's industrial production grew by 6.8% in January from a year earlier, easing concerns about a slowdown in its economy.
The growth was led by an 8.5% expansion in the manufacturing sector.
This comes just days after data showed India's economy grew by 6.1% in the last three months of 2011, its weakest pace in nearly three years.
A global slowdown and a series of interest rate rises aimed at reining in high prices have hurt India's growth.
Demeter
(85,373 posts)but you get so little benefit for so much pain.
There have to be better ways to shorten the primary season...
And because of Tansy, I'm not going to get very much up before I have to dash...
It's raining like Noah out here. I'll never be able to set foot in the back yard again (without a bathing suit).
Warpy
(111,359 posts)I'm not a morning person. I might be vertical and dressed and there could be words coming out of my mouth, but if it's before noon, I am not awake.
I don't do mornings. I've always sought out evening and night jobs.
For me, DST is the end of a dark tunnel that begins when standard time does, in late fall, that says I only see about 4 hours of daylight in the pit represented by December and January. No wonder I get depressed.
I wish we could stay on it all year. If suburbanites gripe about their kiddies waiting for the school bus in the dark, their districts can start school an hour later. The kiddies would likely appreciate that, especially the teenagers.
Demeter
(85,373 posts)STOLE THIS FROM OWLET, WHO DOESN'T SEEM TO LIKE US WELL ENOUGH TO POST HERE
http://charleshughsmith.blogspot.com/2012/03/money-from-nothing-primer-on-fake.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+google%2FRzFQ+%28oftwominds%29
"Only God can create
value out of nothing"Justice Martin V. Mahoney in First National Bank of Montgomery vs. Jerome Daly.
" Im) doing Gods work." Goldman Sachs CEO, Lloyd Blankfein
Introduction:
What is fraud except creating value from nothing and passing it off as something?
Frauds interlink and grow upon each other. Our debt-based money system serves as the fraud foundation. In our debt-based money system, debt must grow in order to create money. Therefore, there is no way to pay off aggregate debt with available money. More money must be lent into the system to make the payments for old debts. This causes overall debt to expand as new money for actual people (vs. banks) always arrives at interest and compounds exponentially. This process is called financialization.
Financialization: The process of making money from nothing in which debt (i.e. poverty, lack) is paradoxically considered an asset (i.e. wealth, gain). In current financialized economies wealth expansion comes from the parasitic taxation of productivity in the form of interest on fiat lending. This interest over time consumes a greater and greater share of resources, assets, labor, and livelihood until nothing is left.
Only in a debt-based money system could debt be curiously cast as an asset. Weve made extend and pretend a quaint phrase for a burgeoning market for financial lying and profiteering aimed toward preventing the collapse of a debt- (or lack-) based system that was already doomed by its initial design to collapse. This primer will detail the major components and basic evolution of fake wealth creation, accelerating debt expansion, hollowing out of the economy, and inevitable financial implosion.
SEE LINK FOR DEVELOPMENT OF THE FOLLOWING:
Stage oneFiat money origination, multiplication, and distribution
The U.S. Federal Reserve System (The Fed):
Fractional reserve:
Stage twoDelusional, unregulated value assignment, manipulation, and expansion
Leverage:
Over the counter (OTC) derivatives:
Rehypothecation:
Stage threeUsurping democracies and cannibalizing functioning capitalism
A cartel of international wealth counterfeiters have boldly made claims on Greeces national wealth through super-national entities like the European Central Bank...
Disaster capitalism:
Stage fourImplosion of the body politic or necessary transformation and redirection?
Demeter
(85,373 posts)Author and social critic Morris Berman says the fact that we're a nation of hustlers lies at the root of our decline....
DETAILS AT LINK
Tansy_Gold
(17,873 posts)religious principles.
Oh, it's not in the Constitution, of course, and there's that ol' separation of church and state, but the Calvinist Protestant institutions were already well ingrained in the cultural fabric. Simple things like swearing on a Bible. . . .
And the Calvinists believed in predestination, that it was "God's will" and should be accepted -- whatever it was, and usually it was something that benefited the upper echelon Calvinists.
Central to that, of course, was the belief that wealth was a sign of "God's" favor: If God wanted you to be wealthy, well, go out and grab as much as you can and He'll let you have it. If he doesn't want you to be wealthy, he'll take it away from you.
God loves Jamie Dimon and Lloyd Blankfein; you can tell that because they're rich.
God does not love Allen Stanford.
That's all there is to it.
TG, no mud
Demeter
(85,373 posts)Eurozone members to look at how to protect vulnerable economies from the debt crisis, but must overcome German reluctance over rescue fund
Read more >>
http://link.ft.com/r/VKY5JJ/16ITUS/Z87P0/7AD3Q0/5VJI4D/SN/t?a1=2012&a2=3&a3=12
Demeter
(85,373 posts)Trade between Iran and Dubai and Oman plummets as economic steps taken by the US make the rial weak and volatile
Read more >>
http://link.ft.com/r/VKY5JJ/16ITUS/Z87P0/7AD3Q0/309D7R/SN/t?a1=2012&a2=3&a3=12
Demeter
(85,373 posts)Airbus and six big European airlines have joined forces in an effort to delay plans by the European Union to force carriers to pay for carbon pollution, in a project that the aerospace groups say is jeopardising billions of dollars of orders and 2,000 jobs
Read more >>
http://link.ft.com/r/G8OTZZ/62JGSY/CWSVD/DWSUKT/16EWL8/OS/t?a1=2012&a2=3&a3=11
UNFORTUNATELY, I AGREE WITH THEM...UNLESS THEY PUT UP TARIFF BARRIERS, AND CAPITAL BARRIERS, REGULATIONS AND ALL THOSE OTHER APPURTENANCES OF NATIONHOOD....
AND SCREW THE BANKSTERS AND GLOBALIST FEEDING FRENZY!
THIS IS A PLOT TO DEREGULATE BEFORE THE REGULATIONS EVEN GET STARTED.
Demeter
(85,373 posts)The US market regulator has launched a broad investigation into whether exchanges favour large trading companies at the expense of smaller customers.
The enforcement inquiries emerged from examinations by the Securities and Exchange Commission of how exchange operators, some of which also regulate their customers, manage conflicts of interest with hedge funds, high-frequency trading groups, banks and asset managers. The regulatory concerns were heightened by the collapse of futures broker MF Global and its missing customer funds, which put a spotlight on the role of exchange operator CME Group.
Read more >>
http://link.ft.com/r/EB8122/C4U24J/A5Q0X/YBAX8I/KQOTX5/ID/t?a1=2012&a2=3&a3=11
Demeter
(85,373 posts)Bank plans 100 branches within three years as it accelerates its push into the country through a joint venture and a credit card business
Read more >>
http://link.ft.com/r/M2ZOXX/QNA93P/RP6QL/B5Q3W0/JE6TFA/FW/t?a1=2012&a2=3&a3=12
WITH THE ILL-GOTTEN GAINS FROM US
Demeter
(85,373 posts)Corporate issues hit $386bn as groups take advantage of cheaper borrowing costs and more favourable economic and market conditions
Read more >>
http://link.ft.com/r/M2ZOXX/QNA93P/RP6QL/B5Q3W0/VLWZ6M/FW/t?a1=2012&a2=3&a3=12
Demeter
(85,373 posts)The Federal Reserve is this week expected to allow for more share buybacks when it unveils the results of stress tests on the largest financial groups
Read more >>
http://link.ft.com/r/M2ZOXX/QNA93P/RP6QL/B5Q3W0/MSCGU9/FW/t?a1=2012&a2=3&a3=12
Demeter
(85,373 posts)"Where justice is denied, where poverty is enforced, where ignorance prevails,
and where any one class is made to feel that society is an organized conspiracy
to oppress, rob and degrade them, neither persons nor property will be safe"
--Frederick Douglass
Demeter
(85,373 posts)Yves will be speaking at a conference hosted by the Atlantic in Washington, DC, on Wednesday called 360 Degrees: What Will it Take to Fix the US Economy? The day long program includes Paul Volcker, Robert Rubin, Larry Summers, and Sheila Bair (dont get too excited, the big dogs get solo turns, Yves in on a panel). Her session on Diagnosing a Sick US Economy: Why Did We Get Here and What is the Fix? is from 10:20 AM to 11:45 AM and you can watch the live stream here: http://events.theatlantic.com/economy-summit/2012/
Demeter
(85,373 posts)As the 1% reap 93 percent of the income gains from the recovery, were rapidly returning to pre-New Deal levels of inequality.
March 11, 2012 "New Deal 2.0" --- There was a brief debate focused on the following question: would the gains of the economy continue to accrue to the top 1% once the recovery started, or would they have a weak post-recession showing in terms of raw income growth as well as income share of the economy? The top 1% had a rough Great Recession. They absorbed 50 percent of the income losses, and their share of income dropped from 23.5 percent to 18.1 percent. Was this a new state of affairs, or would the 1% bounce back in 2010?
We finally have the estimated data for 2010 by income percentile, and it turns out that the top 1% had a fantastic year. The data is in the World Top Income Database, as well as Emmanuel Saezs updated Striking it Richer: The Evolution of Top Incomes in the United States (as well as the excel spreadsheet on his webpage). Timothy Noah has a first set of responses here. The takeaway quote from Saez is, the top 1% captured 93% of the income gains in the first year of recovery.
First off, lets get some absolute numbers here. Here is income by important percentiles, as well as the change from 2009-2010. I include the change with and without capital gains to make it clear that this is a phenomenon both in and independent of a strong stock market (click through for larger image):
?w=450
Welcome To The 1% Recovery
By Mike Konczal
As the 1% reap 93 percent of the income gains from the recovery, were rapidly returning to pre-New Deal levels of inequality.
March 11, 2012 "New Deal 2.0" --- There was a brief debate focused on the following question: would the gains of the economy continue to accrue to the top 1% once the recovery started, or would they have a weak post-recession showing in terms of raw income growth as well as income share of the economy? The top 1% had a rough Great Recession. They absorbed 50 percent of the income losses, and their share of income dropped from 23.5 percent to 18.1 percent. Was this a new state of affairs, or would the 1% bounce back in 2010?
We finally have the estimated data for 2010 by income percentile, and it turns out that the top 1% had a fantastic year. The data is in the World Top Income Database, as well as Emmanuel Saezs updated Striking it Richer: The Evolution of Top Incomes in the United States (as well as the excel spreadsheet on his webpage). Timothy Noah has a first set of responses here. The takeaway quote from Saez is, the top 1% captured 93% of the income gains in the first year of recovery.
First off, lets get some absolute numbers here. Here is income by important percentiles, as well as the change from 2009-2010. I include the change with and without capital gains to make it clear that this is a phenomenon both in and independent of a strong stock market (click through for larger image):
The bottom 90 percent of Americans lost $127, the bottom 99 percent of Americans gained $80, and the top 1% gained $105,637. The bottom 99 percent is net positive for the year due to around $125 in average capital gains. They can take comfort in efforts by the right to set the capital gains tax to 0 percent, which would have netted them an additional couple dozen bucks. (Also, just to show the top 1% captured 93% of the income gains in the first year of recovery isnt some sort of stats juke, you can take $105,637 and divide it by the the number you get when you add $80 times 99 to $105,637 times 1. That number is 93 percent, which is the share of income gains the 1% took home.) MORE
Demeter
(85,373 posts)Demeter
(85,373 posts)All of a sudden, it's like you can't make huge amounts of money without people getting all pissed off about it. And it's only going to get worse -- with the election coming up and the weather getting warmer, this whole "Occupy" movement is probably going to come back strong. The 1 percent will feel even more besieged than before.
"What the hell?" you're probably thinking, if you're somehow both rich and reading an article with this title, "I didn't crash the economy!" You might even be tempted to take to a microphone, to defend yourself and your wealthy friends. But before you do, I want you to stop and ask yourself, "Will this make me sound like an out-of-touch douchebag?"
#6. "Well, $500,000 a Year Might Sound Like a Lot, but I'm Hardly Rich."
#5. "Hey, I Worked Hard to Get What I Have!"
#4. "If I Can Do It, So Can You!"
#3. "You're Just Jealous Because I Made It and You Didn't!"
#2. "You Shouldn't Be Punishing the Very People Who Make This Country Work!"
#1. "Stop Asking for Handouts! I Never Got Help from Anybody!"
FOR SUPPORTING EVIDENCE OF RICH PEOPLE SAYING SUCH THINGS (AND POOR PEOPLE REFUTING THEM) SEE LINK
Demeter
(85,373 posts)"I think (the ultra-wealthy) actually have an insufficient influence," Griffin said in an interview at Citadel's downtown office. "Those who have enjoyed the benefits of our system more than ever now owe a duty to protect the system that has created the greatest nation on this planet."
http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/breaking/ct-biz-0310-ken-griffin-interview%2c0%2c4421212.story
CLICK LINK FOR CONTEXT
Fuddnik
(8,846 posts)xchrom
(108,903 posts)Protestors demonstrating against the government's labor reforms pass through Plaza de Cibeles on Sunday. / ÁNGEL DÍAZ (EFE)
The strike set for March 29 is not the end of anything let Mariano Rajoy understand that the mobilization will continue, said Ignacio Fernández Toxo, the leader of the CCOO labor union, at the end of a protest march through Madrid on Sunday against the governments labor reform bill.
Mr Rajoy, you have the month of March to start up a dialogue and to present a reasonable budget, and the unions will be there, continued Toxo, who, accompanied by the leader of the UGT union, Cándido Méndez, also said that the measures put in place by the Popular Party government to drag Spain out of recession were not temporary but for the rest of our lives.
Spains two biggest labor unions organized 60 demonstrations across Spain on Sunday, partly to set in motion a concerted series of protests against the governments plans for labor reform, and partly as a show of strength ahead of a general strike planned for March 29. The unions put the figure of attendees in the capital at half a million, a number slashed to 25,000 to 35,000 by police estimates.
Méndez criticized those who have sought to paint the protests in the light of a confrontation between the unions and the government, when the unions are the democratic and constitutional finger pointing to the serious problems that this labor reform will create. The government has taken immoral advantage of the crisis. The strike will not be carried out in a minor way.
xchrom
(108,903 posts)There were demonstrations in 60 cities on Sunday against the Government's labour reforms
The trade unions brought thousands of people on to the streets of Spain against Mariano Rajoys labour reform for the second time in a month on Sunday. They warned that their General Strike set for March 29 would be only the first in a series of new protests, unless the Government makes a substantial change to their reform.
Thousands took to the streets in Madrid, Barcelona, Valencia, Málaga and 60 cities in total. Police numbers say 30,000 in Madrid, (unions claimed 50,000), 15,000 in Málaga and Sevilla and 17,000 in Barcelona where the unions claimed 450,000. Most common chant was General Strike!. The union leaders continue to demand talks with the Government.
Socialist leader, Alfredo Pérez-Rubalcaba, claimed that the Partido Popular now wanted to blame the workers for the crisis. He said the workers were fighting for a dignified wage and conditions for a quality of life, and claimed the reform would result in more unemployment, a recession in the short term, and the creation of precarious jobs in the medium term.
The PP General Secretary, María Dolores de Cospedal, criticised Rubalcaba for giving the Prime Minister 20 days to call off the general strike. She said he would be better off thinking of what to say the unemployed workers.
Read more: http://www.typicallyspanish.com/news/publish/article_33989.shtml#ixzz1ouglNaES
Demeter
(85,373 posts)Presence of horned toads and desert tortoises are holding up production at multimillion-dollar sites in California...
DECENTRALIZATION, POWER TO THE PEOPLE...GET WITH IT, CAPITALISTS!
Angelca
(2 posts)I am soooooo confused by all of this solar panel/inverter stuff. I want a high quality 4-4.5 kw system and an inverter that will produce this amount of power. Any advice on solar power firms would be appreciated.
Demeter
(85,373 posts)each solar panel (classic silicon cells) had an inverter built in. The panels were linked together with a signal to synchronize the phases. I couldn't talk the condo association into going for it, alas.
Angelca
(2 posts)I am soooooo confused by all of this solar panel/inverter stuff. I want a high quality 4-4.5 kw system and an inverter that will produce this amount of power. Any advice on solar power firms would be appreciated.
dixiegrrrrl
(60,010 posts)the Environment & Energy group.
There should folks there who have some knowlege of the issue.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=forum&id=1127
and/or
Frugal and Energy Efficient Living Group.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=forum&id=1128
Demeter
(85,373 posts)Demeter
(85,373 posts)House Republicans, Senate Democrats and President Obama have found something they can all support: a terrible package of bills that would undo essential investor protections, reduce market transparency and distort the efficient allocation of capital...Of course, supporters dont describe it that way. They say the JOBS Act for Jumpstart our Business Startups would remove burdensome regulations that they claim have made it too difficult for companies to raise money from investors, impeding their ability to grow and hire.
Never mind that reams of Congressional testimony, market analysis and academic research have shown that regulation has not been an impediment to raising capital. In fact, too little regulation has been at the root of all recent bubbles and bursts the dot-com crash, Enron, the mortgage meltdown. Those free-for-alls created jobs and then imploded, causing mass joblessness. Unfortunately, election-year politics and powerful constituencies rather than research and reason are driving the JOBS legislation forward. It passed the House on Thursday, after the Obama administration endorsed it; the Senate leadership is expected to introduce a similar package this week.
Republicans love it because deregulation is at the core of their corporate-centered agenda. President Obama wants to burnish his pro-business credentials. Most Senate Democrats, keenly aware of big businesss deep campaign contribution pockets, are eager to go along. The centerpiece of the bill would curb investor protections in the Sarbanes-Oxley law that require companies to meet specific disclosure, accounting and auditing standards before going public. The legislation is promoted as applying only to small companies, but the parameters would encompass all but the nations biggest new companies. It would also let new public companies delay compliance with provisions of the Dodd-Frank law on executive compensation and shareholder say on pay. Another provision would permit crowd funding raising money from small investors through the Internet without requiring those companies to provide meaningful disclosure and without adequate oversight by the Securities and Exchange Commission. John Coffee Jr., a securities law expert, has dubbed that the Boiler Room Legalization Act. Yet another provision, opposed by AARP and state regulators, would allow private companies to solicit investors, a move that could expose unsophisticated investors to offerings that they cannot properly evaluate.
Dozens of legal experts and advocates for investors and consumers have written to Senate leaders warning that extensive revisions must be made to the House legislation for it to be even minimally acceptable.
We know memories are short in Washington. But Enron was just 10 years ago. And the entire system almost imploded in 2008. There is no excuse.
DemReadingDU
(16,000 posts)But the SMW'ers never forget
xchrom
(108,903 posts)Nicolas Sarkozy is unpopular because he has behaved more like an upstart than a president. He's trying to get re-elected, claiming to have changed, but it might be too late. The French people prefer his Socialist opponent François Hollande, who would bring change to France and upheaval to Europe.
Once again, Nicolas Sarkozy and his people are not on speaking terms. Visiting a huge construction site for a soccer stadium in Nice, he marches over the rubble in his dark-blue suit and dark-blue tie, feet spread wide apart in his strange, jerky gait. His face is waxen and wan. He appears tense.
Today Sarkozy is meeting young people whom state programs are meant to help find training and jobs, but they are of little interest to him and he makes no effort to hide that fact.
The President morosely asks them all the same question: "And where do you want to work in the future?" But he barely listens to their flustered answers and doesn't stand still for long. He looks like someone with other things on his mind -- Angela Merkel, for example.
Standing reverently before him, the young people don't know what to say to the man who rolled up in a convoy of a dozen cars, looking as if he just stepped out of a spaceship.
Demeter
(85,373 posts)and there's a meeting Mon, Tues, and Weds. nights this week....
Demeter
(85,373 posts)The perfect song for this global tinderbox of an economy:
Demeter
(85,373 posts)So Greece has officially defaulted on its debt to private lenders. It was an orderly default, negotiated rather than simply announced, which I guess is a good thing. Still, the story is far from over. Even with this debt relief, Greece like other European nations forced to impose austerity in a depressed economy seems doomed to many more years of suffering...But what Greek experience actually shows is that while running deficits in good times can get you in trouble which is indeed the story for Greece, although not for Spain trying to eliminate deficits once youre already in trouble is a recipe for depression. These days, austerity-induced depressions are visible all around Europes periphery. Greece is the worst case, with unemployment soaring to 20 percent even as public services, including health care, collapse. But Ireland, which has done everything the austerity crowd wanted, is in terrible shape too, with unemployment near 15 percent and real G.D.P. down by double digits. Portugal and Spain are in similarly dire straits.
And austerity in a slump doesnt just inflict vast suffering. There is growing evidence that it is self-defeating even in purely fiscal terms, as the combination of falling revenues due to a depressed economy and worsened long-term prospects actually reduces market confidence and makes the future debt burden harder to handle. You have to wonder how countries that are systematically denying a future to their young people youth unemployment in Ireland, which used to be lower than in the United States, is now almost 30 percent, while its near 50 percent in Greece are supposed to achieve enough growth to service their debt....the main point is that America does have an alternative: we have our own currency, and we can borrow long-term at historically low interest rates, so we dont need to enter a downward spiral of austerity and economic contraction.
So it is time to stop invoking Greece as a cautionary tale about the dangers of deficits; from an American point of view, Greece should instead be seen as a cautionary tale about the dangers of trying to reduce deficits too quickly, while the economy is still deeply depressed. (And yes, despite some better news lately, our economy is still deeply depressed.)
The truth is that if you want to know who is really trying to turn America into Greece, its not those urging more stimulus for our still-depressed economy; its the people demanding that we emulate Greek-style austerity even though we dont face Greek-style borrowing constraints, and thereby plunge ourselves into a Greek-style depression.
just1voice
(1,362 posts)as proven by the corrupt and manipulated markets completely ignoring the actual default which just occurred. Any money the "too big to fail" criminal speculative banks will lose in Greece will just be collected by taking profits in other speculative interests like oil.
There never has been any "crisis", it's nothing but a daily onslaught of bullshit propaganda for specs to gamble on and use as a public cover for their crimes.
Fuddnik
(8,846 posts)Got a letter dated Feb. 20 saying they didn't have my flood insurance information up to date for this year. If I don't send it in within 45 days, they'll charge me for forced place insurance.
Faxed it to them on Friday, March 9th.
Today. 3 letters from Wells Fargo. First one: Statement that I have no payment due this month. I always stay at least a month ahead. Next letter, they need homeowners insurance information. Yada, yada, yada.
Third letter: Binder for forced place flood insurance, $*^$### @&&%$@#!!!!!!!
Get on phone with moron for 30 minutes. After 20 minutes, I may be getting some progress. It usually takes at least a month.
OK, reprieved for now, but we'll see.
3:45: Head to liquor store. Pick up (2) 1.75 bottles, because one just ain't enough.
4:30: It's rolling over the cubes.
I'll spend the rest of the evening cosulting with Dr. Stolichnaya!
Good night, and Goddess bless!
Demeter
(85,373 posts)So we can anticipate your mortgage burning....
Demeter
(85,373 posts)or has the rate of jury-duty calls slowed down considerably?
(or are they just not calling ME?!!)
DemReadingDU
(16,000 posts)I served on a jury appx 20 years ago. I think I was last called appx 10 years ago. Perhaps I will get a call soon!
Demeter
(85,373 posts)Fuddnik
(8,846 posts)tclambert
(11,087 posts)What was that, two or three years?