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Tomconroy

(7,611 posts)
Thu Nov 18, 2021, 10:44 PM Nov 2021

Why isn't the government selling 50 or 100 year bonds?

I saw this proposed in Barron's some years ago. Why wouldn't the Treasury Dept. lock in low interest borrowing for a very long time? Is there a case for not doing this?
Just wondering.

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PoliticAverse

(26,366 posts)
1. Should the U.S. roll out a 50-year Treasury bond?
Thu Nov 18, 2021, 10:51 PM
Nov 2021
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/should-the-us-roll-out-a-50-year-treasury-bond-2016-12-13

Although you can lock in lower rates for the long term, you have to pay higher interest than you would if you issue a 30-year or 10-year bond.

 

Tomconroy

(7,611 posts)
2. I guess it depends on whether you think interest rates
Thu Nov 18, 2021, 11:03 PM
Nov 2021

are ever going to go up substantially.
Thanks.

PoliticAverse

(26,366 posts)
3. Back in 1981 the 30-year bond hit 15%. People who locked that in got an incredible deal...
Thu Nov 18, 2021, 11:20 PM
Nov 2021

30-years of great income virtually risk (and local-tax) free. Now it is about 2%.

https://www.macrotrends.net/2521/30-year-treasury-bond-rate-yield-chart

Right now the difference in interest rates between the 30-year and 10-year is 0.38%. On $ 1 trillion in debt that's $ 3.8 billion/year.

https://ycharts.com/indicators/30_year_treasury_rate_less_10_year_treasury_rate

Now the yearly US budget deficit is about $ 2.5 trillion/year.

So if you think interest rates are going to stay the same you can save $ 9.5 billion/year just by selling 10-year bonds instead of 30-year.







Ferrets are Cool

(21,105 posts)
4. I bought a bunch of thise in the early 80 but can't find them.
Thu Nov 18, 2021, 11:49 PM
Nov 2021
And they want me to give them specific numbers before they will replace them. HELL, if I had those numbers, they wouldn't be lost.

progree

(10,901 posts)
6. The average maturity of our held interest-bearing marketable debt is 5.2 years
Fri Nov 19, 2021, 01:49 AM
Nov 2021

Federal Debt (Word document) - Obtained from:
. . https://www.fiscal.treasury.gov/fsreports/rpt/treasBulletin/treasBulletin_home.htm
. . Click on Current Issue
. . Click on Federal Debt ==> https://www.fiscal.treasury.gov/files/reports-statements/treasury-bulletin/b2021-3fd.doc

In June 2021, 71.1% of the $16.550 Trillion in privately held interest-bearing marketable debt has a maturity of less that 5 years, and 88.2% has a maturity of less than 10 years. The average maturity was 62 months (5.2 years).

So we're sure not taking advantage of historically near-record-low long-term interest rates to lock in these rates for decades.

If interest rates begin a sustained rise, the interest paid on the federal debt will rise rather quickly. Those interest payments come out of tax revenue, the remainder goes to programs and the war machine.

 

Tomconroy

(7,611 posts)
7. I guess that's what I had in mind. If you were around in the
Fri Nov 19, 2021, 03:25 AM
Nov 2021

Late 70s to early 80s you wonder if low rates will last for the next 50 years or more.
Who knows?

progree

(10,901 posts)
8. "If you were around in the Late 70s to early 80s" - I was, LOL, as a young adult
Fri Nov 19, 2021, 03:58 AM
Nov 2021

"Who knows?"

Yeah, I sure have guessed (wrongly) many many times all these many long decades that inflation and interest rates would turn up, but other than short bumps up like for 2 years or so, its been a steady decline of both. For many long decades.

progree

(10,901 posts)
10. It could be. I have some intermediate term bond funds like VICSX that is sinking
Fri Nov 19, 2021, 04:39 AM
Nov 2021

on a total return basis.

 

Tomconroy

(7,611 posts)
11. My wife loves bonds. I've usually invested in stock funds.
Fri Nov 19, 2021, 04:42 AM
Nov 2021

It's worked for me. But you always worry.

progree

(10,901 posts)
12. I'm 56% equities, 44% in fixed income the last time I figured it out in July
Fri Nov 19, 2021, 04:55 AM
Nov 2021

almost certainly a higher equity to fixed income ratio now with S&P 500 rising since then (it was 4323 then, and 4705 now), while bond funds have sunk.

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