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Snarkoleptic

(5,997 posts)
Sat May 14, 2016, 10:03 AM May 2016

How A Giant Restaurant Conglomerate Teamed Up With Banks To Stiff Its Workers

Last edited Sat May 14, 2016, 01:42 PM - Edit history (1)

http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2016/05/12/3777607/darden-restaurants-payroll-cards/

The restaurant conglomerate has roughly 148,000 employees in the U.S. Half of those workers get payroll cards in lieu of standard paper checks. Each card shaves about $2.75 per pay period off of the company’s overhead, saving Darden as much as $5 million per year.

Darden’s bottom-line bliss means pain and chaos for those 70,000-plus workers. The cards come with a litany of fees: 99 cents for using it to pay utility bills, 50 cents if the card is declined at a cash register, $1.75 to withdraw money from an out-of-network ATM and 75 cents just to check the card’s balance. If a worker loses her card, she’ll pay $10 to have it replaced.

As Darden cuts its administrative costs, the banks that provide the cards rack up significant income on the back end. Federal Reserve Bank of Philadelphia researchers put median bank earnings at $1.75 per card per month back in 2012. That suggests Darden’s financial partners are pulling down about $1.5 million a year


And from the linked article-
http://rocunited.org/

KEY FINDINGS
Problems with Darden’s use of payroll cards include:
• 23% OF EMPLOYEES reported not being given instructions on how to use the Darden Card.
• 76% OF EMPLOYEES reported having to pay fees to access their wages at the ATM.
• 24% OF EMPLOYEES reported fees at point-of-purchase.
• 63% REPORTED that they were not told about all of the fees associated with the card before it was issued to them.
• 42% REPORTED experiencing problems accessing their wages through the payroll card.
• 49% REPORTED that they do not have access to ATMs that do not charge them a fee to access their wages.
• 54% OF EMPLOYEES who used the card to fill up their gas tanks have experienced large authorization holds on their card as a result.
• 26% REPORTED not being allowed to choose an alternative method of payment to the Darden payroll card.
Workers across Darden’s restaurant concepts reported paying fees of $1.75 to
withdraw wages from an ATM; $10 for a replacement card; and a $5 monthly
maintenance fee after 6 months of inactivity.
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How A Giant Restaurant Conglomerate Teamed Up With Banks To Stiff Its Workers (Original Post) Snarkoleptic May 2016 OP
On a personal note, I received a "Safety Award" at work. Snarkoleptic May 2016 #1
The bank that issue it. It stays in a fund and they keep getting interest from it. And when it jtuck004 May 2016 #13
Holy crap, I didn't know about this gambit. Thanks for posting. MH1 May 2016 #2
Neoliberal economics. zentrum May 2016 #3
Steve, you are incredible. Agnosticsherbet May 2016 #4
Heinous assholes lark May 2016 #5
Perfect description. nt Enthusiast May 2016 #28
Anytime workers get help My Good Babushka May 2016 #6
Darden restaurants include Olive Garden, Red Lobster, Longhorn Steakhouse, Yard House, Bahama Breeze bulloney May 2016 #7
Darden sold Red Lobster itsrobert May 2016 #14
Must have been recent. I received a Darden gift card and Red Lobster is listed. bulloney May 2016 #29
one slight correction nvme May 2016 #23
Capital Grille is part of their portfolio too nvme May 2016 #24
America boycott this chain of restaurants. They don't deserve to be in business. rladdi May 2016 #25
^ This. AzDar May 2016 #35
Also Season's 52 (which was one of my favorites, but now I can't go to anymore) basselope May 2016 #38
Noooooooooooooo! Amimnoch May 2016 #42
Throw the bastards in prison Angry Dragon May 2016 #8
Can't eat at a place that fucks its workers. I'd choke. lonestarnot May 2016 #9
Darden is always trying to stiff someone. spartan61 May 2016 #10
I grew up in Texas and knew shrimp and crabs, to this day I have never been able to figure out what braddy May 2016 #18
K & R Thespian2 May 2016 #11
Doesn't McDonald's do something similar ? Not surprising that yet another another restaurant azurnoir May 2016 #12
This is one of many reasons... Sophiegirl May 2016 #15
This has been going on for some time ... mrsadm May 2016 #16
I am sure President Clinton will "look into it" Bread and Circus May 2016 #17
THese so called businesses today,, benld74 May 2016 #19
It's evil maindawg May 2016 #20
Did'nt Wall -E -World already try paying in "scrip"? Mopar151 May 2016 #27
Several years ago I had a part time job SheilaT May 2016 #21
Every time you hear about how much job growth reported by percentages quarterly... MrMickeysMom May 2016 #22
These fine folks also fought against healthcare and paid sick days for employees. Snarkoleptic May 2016 #26
That's some shady shit, there. blackspade May 2016 #30
Someone should contact Senator Warren on this. Duckfan May 2016 #31
On the back end, we need to authorize our post offices to Ilsa May 2016 #32
Yep, I can't imagine you can easily use these cards to pay utility bills, school books/registration Snarkoleptic May 2016 #34
Couldn't they withdraw the whole amount TexasMommaWithAHat May 2016 #33
It seems that there are barriers to easy/no-fee access to the fruit of their labor. Snarkoleptic May 2016 #36
Usually you can withdraw the amount somewhere, but there are usually fees. sweetloukillbot May 2016 #46
Well, I think it's horrible what these companies are doing TexasMommaWithAHat May 2016 #47
Agreed sweetloukillbot May 2016 #48
If you boycott a corp like this Flatpicker May 2016 #37
They won't listen until forced to do so. Snarkoleptic May 2016 #39
That's fine Flatpicker May 2016 #40
Organizing a walk would also get media attention BlancheSplanchnik May 2016 #45
Darden has been pulling this kind of swill for years. OwlinAZ May 2016 #44
i xposted to poverty and working poor groups for more visibility. K/R w0nderer May 2016 #41
This is the equivalent of further taxation on already taxed wages. lexington filly May 2016 #43

Snarkoleptic

(5,997 posts)
1. On a personal note, I received a "Safety Award" at work.
Sat May 14, 2016, 10:09 AM
May 2016

It was paid on such a debit card and was a huge pain in the ass to use, not to mention the fees. It didn't have my name on it and every time I tried to use it, (typically at the grocery store) it required a store associate to intervene so the transaction could go through, which was about a 50/50 likelihood.
I was only able to extract 84% of the value of the card and it has since expired, making me wonder who gets funds left over from such programs.

 

jtuck004

(15,882 posts)
13. The bank that issue it. It stays in a fund and they keep getting interest from it. And when it
Sat May 14, 2016, 10:43 AM
May 2016

expires, the money is lost to them.

That's why they sell them, push them so hard. Kinda like bank$ter heroin.

MH1

(17,600 posts)
2. Holy crap, I didn't know about this gambit. Thanks for posting.
Sat May 14, 2016, 10:21 AM
May 2016

I got a junk email at work trying to give me info about this ("how much your company can save by using pay cards instead of checks" kind of crap, I have held myriad positions so I get junk email on absolutely every imaginable business topic). I delete that nonsense as a matter of course (sometimes marking it as spam first) but that had been the first I'd heard of this new payment technique so I remembered it. I'll be on the lookout if it seems my company might implement this crap.

My Good Babushka

(2,710 posts)
6. Anytime workers get help
Sat May 14, 2016, 10:27 AM
May 2016

with subsidies there are banks and corporations dipping their fat beaks into it, and now workers can't even get their own earned wages without some middleman skimming off of it! This is grotesque.

rladdi

(581 posts)
25. America boycott this chain of restaurants. They don't deserve to be in business.
Sat May 14, 2016, 01:11 PM
May 2016

Making a profits on the wages of the employees as well as the profits the restaurant makes. Boycott them.

 

Amimnoch

(4,558 posts)
42. Noooooooooooooo!
Sun May 15, 2016, 06:18 AM
May 2016


Granted, I can only afford that place about once a year, but it's our anniversary place.

No more Olive garden endless soup and Salad..
No more longhord outlaw ribeye...
No more crispy duck wings and Shiitaki garlic noodles at Yard house...

This is a boycott that's gonna hurt.

At least this is one I may be able to have a little voice in.. Pull up my credit card statements from the last year, and give them a hint of the business they're losing.

spartan61

(2,091 posts)
10. Darden is always trying to stiff someone.
Sat May 14, 2016, 10:37 AM
May 2016

A few years ago my daughter, who lives in Texas, was hungry for lobster. She grew up in Maine and worked in a lobster restaurant during high school and college, so she knows lobsters. She and her husband went to Red Lobster, where she ordered a lobster dish that contained "lobster" and shrimp. As she went digging with her fork to find the lobster, she noticed that there wasn't any lobster and called over the waitress to ask about it and then the manager. The manager exclaimed. "You caught us!" The "lobster" was really crawfish! My daughter was so furious that she wrote letters to Darden Restaurants with the threat that she was going to take this bait and switch to BBB and Texas Attorney General. She received a phone call from a mucky muck from Darden who offered her a lobster dinner and a gift certificate as compensation. When she went to another Red Lobster in the area to collect her real lobster dinner, she noticed that the original lobster and shrimp dinner was no longer on the menu. You can't fool a Mainer when it comes to lobster!

 

braddy

(3,585 posts)
18. I grew up in Texas and knew shrimp and crabs, to this day I have never been able to figure out what
Sat May 14, 2016, 11:56 AM
May 2016

Red Lobster is about, I have never seen anything there that I recognized as real.

Thespian2

(2,741 posts)
11. K & R
Sat May 14, 2016, 10:38 AM
May 2016

Thanks for exposing this new heinous method of ripping off workers...

On Prince Edward Island, Canada, a fish processing plant, owned by Americans, brings in quest workers from China and Mexico...they are given bank debit cards...they are paid by having money added to their card...I am not aware of all the problems with this method of payment...their cards come from the local branch of CIBC, so they probably can assess their money without too much trouble...

azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
12. Doesn't McDonald's do something similar ? Not surprising that yet another another restaurant
Sat May 14, 2016, 10:41 AM
May 2016

is doing it too

mrsadm

(1,198 posts)
16. This has been going on for some time ...
Sat May 14, 2016, 11:10 AM
May 2016

I have heard of this a few years ago, but recall that it was connected to several restaurant chains.

How admirable a business accomplishment this is, ripping off low paid workers.

benld74

(9,904 posts)
19. THese so called businesses today,,
Sat May 14, 2016, 12:01 PM
May 2016

They are forever thinking about their bottom line, how to improve, how to cut corners.

When ALL they really need to do it provide decent working conditions, decent wages, etc.

Workers will WANT to work there. Be happy working there.


TOdays businesses cannot see past their self imposed blinders

 

maindawg

(1,151 posts)
20. It's evil
Sat May 14, 2016, 12:12 PM
May 2016

It's like the company store. This is illegal I am sure. These people should get organized and demand paychecks. Another evil Corporation running roughshod over good American workers.

 

SheilaT

(23,156 posts)
21. Several years ago I had a part time job
Sat May 14, 2016, 12:34 PM
May 2016

at a Zales jewelry store, and my first paycheck, maybe the first two were in the form of a card. It was less then convenient, because I couldn't use the money on it to pay bills. Plus, of course, there were the fees.

I think after that I get physical paychecks, but I no longer recall.

I like it best when I work for a company that does direct payroll deposit.

MrMickeysMom

(20,453 posts)
22. Every time you hear about how much job growth reported by percentages quarterly...
Sat May 14, 2016, 12:56 PM
May 2016

... Remember who these folks are and how they and, thus WE are screwed!

I won't go to a Darden establishment for this, and for how unhealthy most of the menus are.

Snarkoleptic

(5,997 posts)
26. These fine folks also fought against healthcare and paid sick days for employees.
Sat May 14, 2016, 01:39 PM
May 2016

You know, because nothing spells freedom like a sick person forced to work in foodservice.


http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/Darden_Restaurants
At this link, you'll also read about their other shabby behavior, including ALEC membership.

Darden has fought hard against new laws and regulations on paid sick days policies, which would allow workers to stay at home when sick without risking their paycheck or their job. In Florida, Darden helped write and pass a bill that would ban local governments from requiring paid sick days for workers. [23] [24] Forty percent of all workers do not have paid sick days; existing federal law covers only employees working 25 hours or more at businesses with at least 50 workers, applies only to serious and not routine illnesses, and is unpaid.[25]


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/19/darden-medicaid-california_n_3466638.html
Darden Restaurants has run into an obstacle in its battle against Obamacare: the state of California.

On Tuesday, the Orlando Sentinel first reported that Clarence Otis, the CEO of the fast-casual chain that owns Red Lobster and Olive Garden, is fighting a bill that intends to prevent companies from cutting workers’ hours to avoid paying for insurance under the Affordable Care Act.

If the legislation is enacted, large employers will be forced to pay an average additional penalty of roughly $5,500 to the state for any employee who works full time and chooses Medicaid coverage, Jimmy Gomez (D), the bill’s sponsor and a California State Assembly member, told The Huffington Post. The penalty will be prorated depending on the average number of hours employees work during the year, he added.

Ilsa

(61,695 posts)
32. On the back end, we need to authorize our post offices to
Sat May 14, 2016, 11:09 PM
May 2016

provide banking services. Let people cash in these cards at one place, have bank accounts, etc.

And yes, people need to have the option of getting a paycheck. How are employees suppose to save money with debit cards? They lose value over time.

Snarkoleptic

(5,997 posts)
34. Yep, I can't imagine you can easily use these cards to pay utility bills, school books/registration
Sat May 14, 2016, 11:18 PM
May 2016

and myriad other necessary expenses. Attempts to convert them to cash can cost an out-of-network ATM fee and then another fee to purchase a money order to pay a bill.

Snarkoleptic

(5,997 posts)
36. It seems that there are barriers to easy/no-fee access to the fruit of their labor.
Sat May 14, 2016, 11:31 PM
May 2016

Among the relevante bullet points in the OP are-
76% OF EMPLOYEES reported having to pay fees to access their wages at the ATM.
24% OF EMPLOYEES reported fees at point-of-purchase.
42% REPORTED experiencing problems accessing their wages through the payroll card.
49% REPORTED that they do not have access to ATMs that do not charge them a fee to access their wages. (an apparent subset of the 76% above)

Also, as related in my comment #1 above, I only managed to pull out 84% of the value on a card I received as a spiff from my employer.

In sum, these money access schemes only appear to be inflicted upon those in lower and middle income levels.
Yet another example of how we're prey for the corporatocracy to feed upon.

sweetloukillbot

(11,010 posts)
46. Usually you can withdraw the amount somewhere, but there are usually fees.
Sun May 15, 2016, 02:13 PM
May 2016

When I worked for Dominos, they paid either direct deposit or ATM card. Everyone in my store got a bank account pretty quick.

TexasMommaWithAHat

(3,212 posts)
47. Well, I think it's horrible what these companies are doing
Sun May 15, 2016, 02:31 PM
May 2016

but I think it would be better to pay a one time fee to put your hard-earned money where you want it - a checking account, cash, or whatever.

sweetloukillbot

(11,010 posts)
48. Agreed
Sun May 15, 2016, 02:36 PM
May 2016

The thing is that ATMs don't always take the cards and they limit the withdrawal amount as well. So you get hit with a few bucks in fees from the card, from the ATM and for each time you have to withdraw to drain the card. I suspect that Darden offers direct deposit, but there are people who don't have checking accounts, or can't get checking accounts. They're the ones who get screwed.

Flatpicker

(894 posts)
37. If you boycott a corp like this
Sat May 14, 2016, 11:37 PM
May 2016

Aren't you doing more harm to the 148,000 employees than you are to the shareholders?

Just thinking that there has to be a better way.
Actually, was thinking that this is very close to the company store practices that were phased out in the early 1900's.

So I guess my question is, is something like this legal, and if it is, should it be?
Maybe we should go to our senators and see if this can be reviewed, or at the very least reviewed by a labor lawyer and perhaps challenged in court?

Can't say that it'll do much, but I did send this link from TP to Senator Warren with the subject line, "Can you Help with this Banking/Employer issue?"

Snarkoleptic

(5,997 posts)
39. They won't listen until forced to do so.
Sun May 15, 2016, 12:33 AM
May 2016

The only language they understand is revenue/profit, so they must hear the message loud and clear.
In addition to being ALEC members, Darden has also fought again paid sick time (for people handling YOUR food) as well as healthcare for their employees.
--see my posts above on this--

Now they are colluding with banksters to further exploit their employees? This cannot stand...oh, hello no!
As for seeking a legislative remedy, we live in a corporatocracy where regulatory bodies have been infiltrated and 'captured', so the voice of the citizen is almost non-existant.
So no, it's not time to approach the master and ask for a bowl of watered-down porridge.




Flatpicker

(894 posts)
40. That's fine
Sun May 15, 2016, 01:10 AM
May 2016

Unless you are one of the 148k employees.

I wonder if your local Darden restaurant staff would applaud your efforts if the end result was their place of employment being shut down due to reduced business. Are you really fighting for the employees at that point, or is it just a "stick it to the corporation" maneuver?

Ideals are terrific, if you can afford to have them. Watered down porridge beats starvation esp if you have kids who have to eat too.

Not trying to be argumentative, but that's a lot of people who depend on the income. If they walked en masse, I think it would be the better option than having the public making the situation worse by directly affecting their incomes. At least they would make the choice.

Remember that Market Basket employees made a difference because they walked.

BlancheSplanchnik

(20,219 posts)
45. Organizing a walk would also get media attention
Sun May 15, 2016, 10:25 AM
May 2016

Which would do far more to encourage boycotts and action, based on the sheer repulsiveness of this scheme.

 

OwlinAZ

(410 posts)
44. Darden has been pulling this kind of swill for years.
Sun May 15, 2016, 10:02 AM
May 2016

Why has anyone been giving them business?
Why not use small, independently owned restaurants?

w0nderer

(1,937 posts)
41. i xposted to poverty and working poor groups for more visibility. K/R
Sun May 15, 2016, 03:55 AM
May 2016

http://www.democraticunderground.com/11179169 Economy & Education » Omaha Steve's Labor Group (Group) (original post)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12841046 working poor group (xpost)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/11181062 poverty group (xpost)
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