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Related: About this forumIn Just 3 Minutes, Zinke Shows He's A Whore, A Fool Or Just Doesn't Give A Shit On Climate
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1. The Paris Agreement is about 20 pages, and when you get to page 5, I think its just a badly negotiated deal.
The Paris agreement being a bad deal has been a primary talking point for Trump administration officials. The agreement which was signed by almost 200 countries seeks to limit global temperature rise to less than 2° C (3.6° F) above pre-industrial levels. In order to get almost every country in the world on board with the deal, negotiators built it around individually-determined emission reduction pledges from each country, meaning that every participant got to decide how best to reduce their own emissions in line with the overall global goal.
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Todd Stern, the U.S. Special Envoy for Climate Change during the Paris climate conference, said the deal was a remarkable win for the United States. We got an awful lot of what we wanted, Stern told ThinkProgress in December of 2015, just days after the agreement was finalized. When we sat down and read through the agreement, we were sort of shaking our head a little bit.
2. [The Paris agreement] lets China, India, Russia, walk. The CO2 in China actually increases until 2030 because it is structured on people. China has more people, so the worlds greatest polluter takes a walk until 2030.
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Moreover, the country has announced plans to significantly expand its renewable energy generation, investing $360 billion by 2020 in an attempt to dominate a post-Paris green economy that some economists estimate could be worth $13 trillion. China has also promised to contribute to climate funds aimed at helping developing countries mitigate and adapt to climate change, pledging $3.1 billion to the South-South Climate Cooperation fund and another $12 billion to the South-South Cooperation Assistance Fund by 2030.
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4. The problem is that we dont understand what the effects [of climate change] are. There are no models that exist
After discussing Paris, Zinke pivoted to his own understanding of climate science, arguing that while he does not view it as a hoax and concedes that man has had an influence, there is no way to know what the effects of climate change will be. Its true that climate science is more robust as to causes than to predicting specific outcomes, but there are ongoing impacts that scientists feel confident in linking to climate change, like sea level rise, loss of Arctic sea ice, and more frequent heat waves. Scientists are confident that climate change is creating an environment that favors more extreme weather events, like heavier storms and more devastating floods, because as the Earths lower atmosphere becomes warmer, it can hold more moisture. And scientists are confident that an increase in atmospheric carbon dioxide is contributing to a greater concentration of oceanic carbon dioxide, making the worlds oceans more acidic and less hospitable to some marine life, including shellfish like oysters.
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https://thinkprogress.org/zinke-budget-hearing-climate-change-falsehoods-7b0253272ddd
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In Just 3 Minutes, Zinke Shows He's A Whore, A Fool Or Just Doesn't Give A Shit On Climate (Original Post)
hatrack
Jun 2017
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in that the U.S. has contributed (along with EU) most of the pollution (CO-2) in the atmosphere at this point in time 27% vs. 4% for China. AND.. we do have sturdy models of what happens when atmospheric CO-2 increases it is simply our past! Go back 125-thousand years and measure all of this in marine sediments and ice cores et voila. We do know what happens, and it aint' good.
eppur_se_muova
(36,298 posts)2. Don't exclude the possibility that he's all three. nt
mountain grammy
(26,655 posts)3. I'll take D, all of the above.