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hatrack

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Sat Jul 11, 2020, 08:26 AM Jul 2020

Hear Ye, Hear Ye, Step Right Up For A Systematic Demolition Of Micheal Shellenberger's "Apology"

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Long, but delicious!

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Michael Shellenberger appears to have a talent for self-promotion. His book, provocatively entitled “Apocalypse Never” appears to be garnering considerable attention. What does he mean by that title? Does it mean we should do whatever we can to avoid an apocalypse? Does it mean that no apocalypse is possible in the foreseeable future? For those of us who haven’t yet read the book (now available on Kindle), Shellenberger provides an unusual article (at first posted on Forbes, then at Quillette and the front page of the Australian) which appears less a summary than a sales pitch, an “op-ad” as one Twitter wag put it. It’s called “On Behalf Of Environmentalists, I Apologize For The Climate Scare”. In short, Shellenberger lands clearly on the naysayer soil. Not much to see, everyone. Cheer up, carry on, these are not the droids you’re looking for.

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THE TWELVE POINTS

1) Humans are not causing a “sixth mass extinction”

In a literal sense this claim has its defenders. See “Earth is Not In the Middle of a Sixth Mass Extinction”. The article quotes Smithsonian paleontologist Doug Erwin, who wrote to me in an email:.

Many of those making facile comparisons between the current situation and past mass extinctions don’t have a clue about the difference in the nature of the data, much less how truly awful the mass extinctions recorded in the marine fossil record actually were. It is absolutely critical to recognize that I am NOT claiming that humans haven’t done great damage to marine and terrestrial [ecosystems], nor that many extinctions have not occurred and more will certainly occur in the near future. But I do think that as scientists we have a responsibility to be accurate about such comparisons… I think that if we keep things up long enough, we’ll get to a mass extinction, but we’re not in a mass extinction yet, and I think that’s an optimistic discovery because that means we actually have time to avoid Armageddon

I leave it to the reader as to whether “not in a mass extinction yet” is reassuring. While there are several possible understandings of “mass extinction”, it’s generally agreed that we are indeed losing species at a rapid rate. Erwin is pointing out that the vast majority of life isn’t collapsing, that we aren’t collapsing into a nearly lifeless planet “Yet.” Will people reading Shellenberger’s quote get the message “we’re not in a mass extinction yet, … we actually have time to avoid Armageddon”? I venture that if they read about it in a book called “Apocalypse Never” they won’t. Is this related to something we might call “The Climate Scare”? Not yet. Climate is only a secondary feature of species loss so far, although there are plenty of signs of a climate impact in what’s left of natural ecosystems.

VALIDITY – Valid only provisionally and somewhat of a semantic quibble.
RELEVANCE TO CLIMATE – Speculative; if we don’t get a handle on climate change, climate change will make it worse.
SALIENCE – This one is genuinely scary, so it’s okay to be scared about it.
IMPLICATION – You are presumably meant to read this claim as “This talk about a sixth extinction is typical climate alarmist scaremongering”
REALITY – We are not literally in a mass extinction event yet but we are on the brink of one. It’s not really a “climate scare” topic but it’s related, and enormous. It seems utterly bizarre for someone claiming to speak “on behalf of environmentalists” to minimise it.

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http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2020/07/shellenbergers-op-ad/

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Hear Ye, Hear Ye, Step Right Up For A Systematic Demolition Of Micheal Shellenberger's "Apology" (Original Post) hatrack Jul 2020 OP
I like the Amazon as the planetary gut analogy. hunter Jul 2020 #1
Ok so the Breakthrough Institute is shady right? CatLady78 Jul 2020 #2
This message was self-deleted by its author CatLady78 Jul 2020 #3

hunter

(38,311 posts)
1. I like the Amazon as the planetary gut analogy.
Sat Jul 11, 2020, 10:50 AM
Jul 2020

There's quite a lot to digest in this article and comments.



Thanks for posting it.

CatLady78

(1,041 posts)
2. Ok so the Breakthrough Institute is shady right?
Sat Jul 11, 2020, 12:34 PM
Jul 2020

I can't recollect the specifics but I have been seeing this guy around and I thought he had that Bjorn Lomborg ( ) vibe.....

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