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PETRUS

(3,678 posts)
Mon Aug 31, 2020, 12:03 PM Aug 2020

Some thoughts:

First of all, thanks for commenting.

I hear you about "Capitalism, socialism, communism," I think. All sorts of "isms" have been used to subjugate people. On the other hand, societies are different from one place or time to the next, and people label things. So on some level, "Capitalism, socialism, communism" is just language.

Regarding social democracy: I tend to believe that for the most part, people living in social democracies since WWII have had pretty congenial lives, and the more robust social democracies (i.e., the nations with the most generous levels of public goods and services) score highest on standard social and human development indicators as far as I know. But I'm not as sanguine about social democracy as you are, particularly in the context of this thread. They are still societies that depend on a paradigm of economic growth (and profit seeking). I agree with people like the author of the paper I posted that such arrangements make ecological overshoot inevitable. The other problem I have with social democracies is that while they afford reasonable protections for people inside their borders, their elites and multinationals are still plundering the rest of the world and have imposed conditions that make it very difficult for developing nations to establish their own social democracies. I'm also not so certain about their stability. Social democracy hasn't been a thing for all that long, and I wonder if its peak is in the past - its been chipped away over time in a lot of places. Perhaps it will be restored; I don't know.

Anyway, thanks again for sharing your thoughts.

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