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Related: About this forumAt this hour, German electricity comes in at 420 g CO2/kwh; France 101 g CO2/kwh overall and...
69 g CO/kwh for power generated in country.
6:10 PM (EST US) 01/17/22.
Eco2mix France
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The wind is blowing again in Germany and the wind turbines in the country are producing 18.4 GW, 28.66% capacity utilization.
The wind however is not blowing so strongly as to stop coal from being the largest source of electricity being generated in Germany, with coal plants producing 26.1 GW of electricity. Natural gas is producing 7.8 GW of German electricity.
The good news for the Germans about the wind blowing is that the coal waste they are dumping into the planetary atmosphere is blowing in the wind toward Poland. That's good news for the French as well. Coal waste kills people whenever coal plants operate normally.
This winter, to speak in much loved "percent talk," I have yet to see the carbon impact of German electricity to be less than 200% that of France; I've seen it as high a 500% that of France.
at140
(6,245 posts)I moved to Florida from Chicago because I hate cold weather. It is freezing in my house here today. I guess I will be burning more wood in fireplace.
Finishline42
(1,161 posts)The following cross border exports:
Belgium to France - 2.2GW
Germany to France - 1.65GW
Spain to France - 886MW
North Italy to France - 513MW
If France is the ideal, why do they need so much from others?
NNadir
(37,959 posts)One would, of course, expect a remark like this to defend the indefensible from those who apologize for what is effect, a crime against future generations, burning coal.
As of this writing, 8:29 PM EST US 1/17/22, France is importing 2.43% of its electricity from that coal burning shithole Germany, but the connected emissions with these imports amounts to 9.67% of France's emissions. Why so much? Because they're importing electricity from a shithole country that shut its nuclear plants in order to burn coal. (As of this writing, the German carbon intensity has risen to 438 g CO2/kwh.)
The French are producing 48.4 GW of reliable nuclear electricity and now, unsurprisingly, I have to listen to tripe about the imports from that filthy German power grid of 1.65 GW. France is producing twice as much nuclear power as Germany is producing burning coal.
If one was a serious person, that would tell one something, but apparently it doesn't in this case.
The reason they didn't build more nuclear reactors is because of all the bullshit rhetoric that has resulted in a climate disaster, the very, very, very dangerous and deadly idea that nuclear energy is "too dangerous" and climate change isn't "too dangerous." This bad thinking routinely causes more deaths than Covid.
I would similarly expect a very stupid answer from someone raising this kind of trivializing nonsense if I asked whether if Germany had not shut its 17 nuclear plants, whether it would be burning this much coal and dumping the waste on all of humanity for all generations.
Um...um...um...
It's very clear that this kind of ignorance kills people since burning coal kills people. Germany is killing people, to repeat the obvious, with air pollution right now, on the theory that "nuclear energy is too dangerous." This is dumb enough to be a Republican policy.
In addition France bought, happily tentatively, into the wind power Kool aid, which means it has to burn gas, as gas is the industry that the wind industry protects. As it is in Germany, the wind industry is as much of a detriment to clean energy in France, as it is in any other country.
The French stupidly built 17.2 "GW" of wind capacity, which is actually producing 4.5 GW of electricity, 14.05% capacity utilization, obviating the big lie told by "renewables will save us types," including the "I'm not an anti-nuke" anti-nukes when they report, as happens here all the time, bullshit about "GW of solar" and "GW of wind," capacity using the theoretical peak capacities never actually reached in practice.
If France had built new nuclear reactors instead of the wind junk, they wouldn't be burning gas right now.
As a result of "investing" in the low energy to mass wind industry, like every other fucking "renewables will save us" dominated system, the French are thus burning dangerous natural gas, to cover the unreliability of the wind lipstick on the gas pig.
(In Germany it's a coal pig.)
France has recognized the error of its ways by drinking the wind energy Kool-Aid and has committed again to a nuclear future. All the wind turbines in France, just like all the wind turbines now operating in the world, will be landfill in 25 years. Rather than trashing the beautiful French country side, France could build 4 reactors in 4 relatively small buildings and produce as much electricity as all the wind turbines in their country are producing and do so reliably with systems that will be operating when today's toddlers are well past retirement age.
Have a nice evening.
NNadir
(37,959 posts)...wind turbines are at 11.45% of capacity, 7.53 GW, and the German carbon intensity is 468 g CO2/kWh, France's is 100 g CO2/kWh. France is exporting to that coal burning hellhole Germany, as well as to the UK and Switzerland.
In "percent talk" Germany is contributing 468% more to climate change than is France.
I trust your having a better day than people in Europe breathing coal particulates because Germany closed nuclear plants.
John ONeill
(88 posts)They shut down two perfectly functional reactors under a policy initiated by the last government of reducing the share of nuclear. Then four more as a precaution, because one of them potentially had flaws in some safety piping. They could easily have waited till spring, when demand is much lower - previous scares about cracks or bubbles in the reactor heads or pressure vessels, in France and Belgium, have all proved unnecessary.
Finishline42
(1,161 posts)Solar is providing 44% of the power for Calif Independent System Operator
Wind is over 13%
Renewables are 68%
0% coal. Nat gas 21%.
NNadir
(37,959 posts)Last edited Wed Jan 19, 2022, 07:39 AM - Edit history (2)
...download CAISO data going for weeks on end and actually calculate the capacity utilization of all that shit that will be landfill in 25 years, the number of 5 minute periods that the single nuclear reactor at Diablo Canyon was producing on a 12 acre footprint more electricity than well over thousands of square miles of former wilderness converted into industrial parks for wind turbines.
For 19 years here I've heard people prattle about some tiny subset of a week long period, but for periods of weeks, I've built spreadsheets of the "renewable will save us" shithole California.
In expectation of this very, very, very, very, very selective attention, I took the liberty of downloading weeks of data as *.csv files, converting them to excel files for calculation purposes from the CAISO website which is found here: CAISO Supply Page
I do this to confront the appalling ignorance of people who want to pretend that a five minute period is representative.
I make especially sure to download data at both equinoxes and both solstices.
Here's the tailing data of a 24 hour period of five minute increments on the winter solstice a few weeks ago for all energy sources in California during that period:

The graphic of the so called "renewable energy output for the full 24 hour period:

At no point, zero times, did thousands of square miles of wilderness trashed to make industrial parks for wind turbines produce as much electricity as the Diablo Canyon plant produced on a 12 acre footprint.
Zero. None.
Now, of course our bourgeois brats with big batteries in their McMansions with Teslas in the garage and tens of thousands of subsidized solar cells on the roofs probably would be perfectly content to let service workers living with four or five people in a one room studio apartment in Cudahy California lay in the dark until the wind started blowing again, but for everyone who gives a shit about the future of humanity and, um, climate change this is an obvious obscenity.
I have many of these spreadsheets. For example, I have one covering the period between midnight on September 6, 2021 through September 13, 2021 covering 2304 five minute periods over 8 full days. The number of five minute periods that Diablo Canyon was producing on a 12 acre footprint more electricity than all of the wind garbage strewn all over thousands of square miles of trashed industrialized wilderness was, in that period, 1,555, or in "percent talk" that liars use to misrepresent the so called "renewable energy" victory, for 67.49% of the time, all the wind turbines in the entire State of California were unable to produce as much electricity as Diablo Canyon.
Here's the high, low, average, and standard deviation for that 8 day period, the units being MW:

Except for tiny in state coal capacity - with coal buried in "imports" - the most reliable form of energy in that State, as reflected by the standard deviation was the nuclear plant at Diablo Canyon.
And what is the plan of California? To restore the wilderness that will be littered with abandoned wind turbines in 25 years? No, it's to close Diablo Canyon and work for the further destruction of the planetary atmosphere.
And why are such ignorant things being done with the atmosphere racing toward more than 422 ppm concentrations of the dangerous fossil fuel waste carbon dioxide in the planetary atmosphere that will coming April or May?
Because people lie and misrepresent a failure as a success, the failure being so called "renewable energy," which doesn't produce much energy and isn't, in fact, close to being renewable or sustainable.
It appears that there are people here who think I'm stupid and uninformed and that I don't give a shit. One doesn't study the CAISO and Electricity map data if one is either.
Speaking of Electricity Map Data, that shithole coal dependent country Germany has a carbon intensity as of this writing 8:29 PM EST US 01/18/22 of 439 g CO2/kwh, compared to 113 g CO2/kwh for France.
Have a nice evening.
Finishline42
(1,161 posts)One is that a lot of people in Calif don't want to buy electricity from Diablo Canyon.
PG&E offered a very different reason for closing Diablo Canyon when it set the wheels in motion in 2016.
According to legal documents PG&E submitted to the California Public Utilities Commission, the utility anticipated lower demand not for energy in general, but for nuclear energy specifically.
One reason is a growing number of California residents buying power through local energy purchasing groups called community choice aggregators, the 2016 legal documents say. Many of those organizations simply refuse to buy nuclear.
There are 23 local CCAs in California serving more than 11 million customers. In 2010, less than 1% of Californias population had access to a CCA, according to a UCLA analysis published in October. Thats up to more than 30%, the report said.
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/10/02/why-is-california-closing-diablo-canyon-nuclear-plant.html
The other point I will make is that the solar totals for Calif is probably under counted. Google says that there are 230k homes in Calif with solar panels. In my system the local utility knows how much I send back to the grid, but I don't think they know how much I used. They can probably estimate it though. In order to be grid-tied I had to register with the local utility so they know the size of my system. It wouldn't surprise me if there is a group at PG&E that is telling them how much revenue they are losing on a sunny day...
progree
(12,948 posts)PG&E CEO Tony Earley told The Chronicle that as the company looked into Californias energy needs for the coming decades, it didnt see a place for Diablo Canyon. ...
... A rising flood of renewable power is pouring onto the states electricity grid, and, under California regulations, that power has priority over electricity generated from nuclear reactors or fossil fuel plants. ... Our analysis continues to show that instead of continuing to run all the time, there will be parts of the year where Diablo will not be needed, said Earley, who flew to San Luis Obispo to break the news to Diablos 1,500 employees in a series of staff meetings Tuesday. At a plant like Diablo, with large fixed costs, if you effectively only run the plant half the time, youve doubled the cost.
EDITED TO ADD -
So you get rid of the plant, and then what happens to PG&E's costs and emissions with 2,200 MW less dispatchable power?
Research from scientists at Stanford University and the Massachusetts Institute of Technology concluded that delaying Diablo Canyons retirement to 2035 would save California $2.6 billion in power system costs, reduce the chances of brownouts and lower carbon emissions. When the research was presented in November, former U.S. Energy Secretary Steven Chu said the nation is not positioned in the near-term to go to 100% renewable energy.
But the California Public Utilities Commission says it would likely take seismic upgrades and changes to the cooling systems, which could cost more than $1 billion, to continue operations at Diablo Canyon beyond 2025. Commission spokesperson Terrie Prosper said 11,500 megawatts of new clean energy resources will be online by 2026 to meet the states long-term needs.
$2.6 billion saved vs. $1 billion more for upgrades/changes (if the $2.6 billion figure doesn't already include this cost)
John ONeill
(88 posts)The climate doesn't respond to what one particular moment of time finds in California, it reacts to the sum of emissions from there, and from everywhere else. Solar put power into the Cali grid for eleven of the last 24 hours, none for the other 13 - average about 15% of total output. Gas was running for 24 of those hours, average 36%. Kilowatt/hours would be a more accurate comparison, but more accurate for gas than for solar - as the mandated amount of PV goes up, more will be curtailed, and the embedded emissions per KWh generated will go up. Diablo Canyon put 54.5 GWh into the grid over the last 24 hours. Electricitymap rates nuclear at 12 grams CO2 /KWh, but that is calculated on a forty year life - if Diablo Canyon was allowed to run for its full projected lifetime off eighty years, that would almost halve. PV is rated at 45 gCO2/KWh, but as curtailment increases, the true figure will rise -https://www.eia.gov/todayinenergy/detail.php?id=49276#:~:text=In%202020%2C%20CAISO%20curtailed%201.5,total%20energy%20curtailed%20in%20CAISO.
Finishline42
(1,161 posts)Germany is at 233g Carbon Intensity - 66% renewable. 55% from wind - coal is at 20%.
Wind is utilizing 64% of installed capacity - 40.9GW of 64GW.
NNadir
(37,959 posts)...kills people. Germany is burning a fuel that kills people, millions upon millions, because they have announced that nuclear energy, which has a spectacular record of killing very few people over more than half a century, is in their mind "too dangerous."
Really? This kind of antisense is of the sort that could drivel out the mouth of a Republican. It's as stupid as anything Trump has said, and Trump is famously stupid.
The problem with so called "renewable energy" is that it's random.
If has to be proud of 233 g CO2/kwh (as of this writing , 6:06 PM EST US, Germany is now at 255 g CO2/kwh), one is clueless. Climate change is real. Germany has been on this path of ignorance celebration for 20 years.
The Germans have not once, yet, in any time I've checked, not been less than 200%, in the "percent talk" apologists for this disaster so love to use, worse than France. Right now, in percent talk, the German contempt for future generations and for climate change is 263% higher than that of France, where the carbon intensity is 97 g CO2/kwh.
I note that France is not doing as well as it would have been doing if, instead of building wind turbines that will be landfill in less than 25 years, they had used the money to build a nuclear plant. As a result of building wind crap, the French now have to burn dangerous natural gas. As of this writing, 11.26% of French generated electricity - some of which they are exporting to that coal burning hellhole Germany (524 MW) to lower the abysmal German climate performance - is generated by burning dangerous natural gas and dumping the waste directly into the planetary atmosphere. Although it is responsible for a small fraction of French electricity, it accounts for 56.94% of the dangerous fossil fuel waste France is dumping because they didn't build a nuclear plant instead of wind junk. That is the environmental cost of "investing" in wind.
Replace the 8.08 GW of dangerous natural gas now being burned in France, and it's carbon intensity falls. 0.1126 * (490 - 12) g CO2/kwh represents 53 g CO2 being added to France's tally because they drank the wind energy Kool-Aid and thus have to burn gas.
If I am indeed being asked to cheer for this tragedy, it is immediately clear to me that people suggesting I do think I'm some kind of idiot. I note that anti-nukes, including the most egregious members of that class, the "I'm not an anti-nuke" anti-nukes generally assume I'm an idiot by offering up such nonsense and expecting it to be taken seriously.
I don't think cheering is appropriate. I think all it calls from me is contempt.
Finishline42
(1,161 posts)https://electrek.co/2022/01/04/clean-energy-generated-46-of-germanys-net-public-power-in-2021/
46% is better than none. And can be incrementally added to. What was it 10 years ago? A lot less than it is today. What will it be in 10 years ( the time to build one nuclear plant)? A lot more than today.
NNadir
(37,959 posts)Last edited Sat Jan 22, 2022, 01:35 PM - Edit history (1)
carbon intensity for electricity is exactly 400% that of France, respectively 416 g CO2/kwh for Germany compared to 104 g g CO2/kwh for France.
(9:45 AM US (EST), 1/22/22)
For most of the week, when I checked in, the German carbon intensity was between 325% and 375% that of France, so I decided to cherry pick at time just like all of the anti-nuke "renewables will save" us do and have been doing here for 19 years.
I note with due disgust that Germany removed clean energy capacity that is reliable to replace it with very dangerous forms of energy that is also reliable but kills people, coal.
This fact will be obvious to anyone who opens the electricity map, at any time: https://app.electricitymap.org/zone/DE
They still report in the bar graphs on the left side for Germany what the nuclear energy capacity was before the Germans decided to shut it an replace it with coal: 62.6 GW. Around the world the capacity utilization of nuclear energy is the highest of any form of energy, generally exceeding 90%, but in France right now, where four reactors are shut for inspection, the capacity utilization of nuclear energy is 80.36%. (In the three remaining German nuclear reactors in operation it must be close to 100%.)
My mouse failed while I was writing this post, and in the time it took to replace it with a spare, German carbon intensity rose to 429 g CO2/kwh compared to France's fell to 102 g CO2/kwh, making German carbon intensity in "percent talk" 482% higher than that of France. As of this writing the capacity utilization of all the wind turbine is 16.44% (10.5 GW/61.8GW) and solar is running at 5.08% (2.97GW/58.4GW) capacity utilization.
Let's go with the French nuclear capacity utilization, 80%, for argument to show how many people in Europe Germany is killing with its decision to displace nuclear energy with coal. At 80% capacity utilization the 62.6 GW of now largely shut nuclear plants would be producing if the Germans hadn't decided to kill people by shutting them down would be 62.6 GW * 0.8 = 50 GW rounded to the nearest integer.
There are probably thousands of references in the scientific literature to the estimation of mortality per TWh of electricity. I'm not going to waste precious time to confront another issue of bad thinking of the type that routinely presents itself by listing a ton of them, but am going to go with a publication in the Lancet family of journals, since these deal with public health and medicine and because this one has a nice breakdown of the mortality connected with reliable energy.
It's here: Anil Markandya, Paul Wilkinson, Electricity generation and health, The Lancet, Volume 370, Issue 9591, 2007, Pages 979-990.
Here's table 2: 
Now let's be clear, the Germans embraced the policy that was advanced here and elsewhere early in my tenure in blogging, specifically that the purpose of trashing wilderness and mining the shit out of the planet for so called "renewable energy" was to displace nuclear energy. Few advocates, if any, ever talked about replacing dangerous fossil fuels. I note that immediately on leaving office, German Chancellor Gerhardt Schroeder who first put this ignorant policy in place immediately took a job in Gasprom.
That Angela Merkel, a scientist, continued with this policy certainly reduces both her scientific credibility or honesty in my opinion.
How many people, referring to Table 2 did German policy kill per day?
Let's estimate:
As of this writing Germany is producing 20.7 GW of coal power, an amount of energy that German nuclear plants could have easily produced were it not for fear and ignorance on the part of anti-nukes. If this were the continuous average amount of coal energy that Germany produced over a 24 hour period, it would amount to 0.497 TWh. If we're inappropriately generous to the Germans and pretend that they aren't burning lignite but are burning only anthracite, this works out to 0.497TWh * 24.5 deaths/TWh = 12.2 deaths per day, a rate that would produce approximately 4,460 deaths per year and roughly 40,000 serious illnesses.
The corresponding numbers for replacing the same coal power level, 20.7 GW with nuclear would be close to zero (0.094 deaths/day) working out to 3 deaths/year.
Were these figures to hold in the German wind energy nirvana that all our anti-nukes, including "I'm not an anti-nuke" anti-nukes, want to applaud, German energy policy is killing about 4500 people per year, if and only if they actually burn enough coal on average to address the unreliability of their wind junk and their trivial solar junk. Note, that the Lancet figures refer most likely to continuously operated coal plants. It is very likely that the "zeroth" law of thermodynamics, the one involving the fact that all thermal systems move toward continuous temperatures when in contact, means that the Germans have to burn coal to get up steam without producing any electricity, another way unreliability kills people.
The continuous utilization of misleading "percent" talk, and the repeated nonsense statements that so called "renewable energy" is better than nothing, is pure intellectual garbage. Renewable energy, as demonstrated in the above crude calculations is worse than something that "something" the Germans had in their portfolio but closed in a fit of lying, nuclear energy.
As for stupid remarks about how long it takes to build a nuclear plant, I note with contempt that the Germans shut existing nuclear plants, killing people in the process. The Chinese have no problem turning out nuclear plants, and in another time, before the rise of ignorance on the part of people who may be metaphorically compared to arsonists complaining about forest fires, the United States built more than 100 nuclear reactors in a period of about 25 years while providing the lowest cost electricity in the world.
It's clear that the ignorance of anti-nukes, including "I'm not an anti-nuke anti-nukes" depends wholly on selective attention. I've personally lived through decades of "100% renewable energy" statements by year such and such. They were all garbage thinking then, and the remain so today.
Ignorance kills.
Have a nice weekend.
NNadir
(37,959 posts)It's 510 g CO2/kwh in Germany, 100 g CO2/kwh in France. (5:15 PM, US EST 01/23/2022).
Electricity Map.
Wind energy is producing 4.98 real GW as opposed to a theoretical peak capacity of 56.8 GW, in practice never attained.
Solar is producing 0.00 energy as opposed to an (also) theoretical peak capacity 56.8 GW, in practice never attained.
45.07% of German electricity is provided from burning coal, (25.6 GW), and 18.31% of German electricity is being provided by burning natural gas (10.4 GW).
I love, as much as anyone, to play "cherry pick."
Great game, that:
Many people here loved to report, way back in the early years, "percent talk" wherein they gleefully reported some instance in some country where so called "renewable energy" was producing more energy than nuclear energy for some subset of the day.
The Germans have a word in their language to describe the situation now being observed in their country: Dunkelflaute. They need it.
If Dunkelflaute persists for a period of 24 hours, and the coal combustion continues at the same or nearly the same rate, Germany will have generated 0.6144 TWh of coal electricity. If they burned hard coal, the associated death toll, using the chart from the Lancet publication reproduced in Post #14, 24.5 deaths/TWh, 16 (15.6) Europeans will lose their lives as a result of the German Nuclear Phase Out, an annualized death rate of 5700 dead. If they burned lignite, the associated death toll, using the chart from the Lancet publication reproduced in Post #14, 32.6 deaths/TWh, 20 (15.6) Europeans will lose their lives as a result of the German Nuclear Phase Out, an annualized death rate of 7300 dead.
The Germans shut the majority of 56.8 GW of nuclear power available before the famous, or rather, infamous, nuclear phase out. If they'd kept it they wouldn't be burning coal and gas and dumping the waste directly into the planetary atmosphere. if they had kept their nuclear capacity on line, they could easily have produced the 36 GW of electrical power now being produced using dangerous fossil fuels.
If they had generated the electricity using nuclear power, the associated death toll, using the chart from the Lancet publication reproduced in Post #14, 0.019 deaths/TWh, it would take about 100 days for a single European will lose his or her life, to produce an annualized rate of 6 deaths.
As a result of the German Nuclear Phase Out, an annualized death suggest a loss of life somewhere between 5,000 to 7,000 deaths per year.
Wunderbar!
Wouldn't this be a great time to comment on the insurance policy of the people dismantling the Three Mile Island reactor? Would this be a great time to tell me what I've been hearing here for 19 years, that nuclear energy "takes too long to build," even though the wind and solar industry, defined as "fast," and "easy" and "cheap" to build have never, not once, after decades of cheering produced the 29 exajoules/year of energy that nuclear energy has been reliably been producing since the 1990's throughout the world, this in an atmosphere of continuous attack by ersatz "environmentalists."
Am I forgetting any anti-nuke shibboleths that get dragged out again and again, both by straight up anti-nukes and "I'm not an anti-nuke" anti-nukes while Dunkeflaute connected with the wonderful world of Energiewende kills people?
NNadir
(37,959 posts)...as it is from solar and wind combined. This 2022; welcome to the modern world. I wonder if they'll still be able to get Russian gas.
(10/18/22 10:18 EST US) Electricity Map, Germany
5.73 GW solar, 9.81% capacity utilization.
5.74 GW wind, 8.96% capacity utilization.
26.7 GW coal, 60.63% capacity utilization.
12.1 GW gas, 39.55% capacity utilization.
So much for so called "renewable energy" being the way to address climate change.
NNadir
(37,959 posts)(US EST 4:18P 1/24/22)
26.3 GW coal, 41.18% of German electricity in "percent talk." 59.86% capacity utilization.
12.9 GW gas, 21.16% of German electricity in "percent talk." 42.26% capacity utilization.
4.49 GW wind, 7.01% of German electricity in "percent talk." 7.03% capacity utilization.
Solar: Zero all around.
It's interesting that the last 3 nuclear plants in Germany are producing almost as much power as all the wind turbines in Germany, 4.10 GW, operating at 101.6% of capacity utilization.
I'm sick this afternoon, and am relaxing by listening to this young German guy being interviewed about how he hates his forests being torn apart to build wind plants, and how he's pronuclear even after having grown up with some pretty powerful propaganda about how a fascist nuclear empire was going to kill everyone on Earth.
Worth a listen I think: The Grim Fairy Tale of German Electricity.
But isn't it time to talk about something more pleasant? How about Fukushima?
Oh, I forgot to add: "Only" 16 expected deaths in Europe today if we continue to crank along around generating 26.3 GW with coal while waiting for the wind to blow, 5700 deaths/year annualized, if they're burning anthracite, 21 deaths if they're burning lignite, 7300/deaths per year annualized.
How many people died from radiation at Fukushima again? This should be in the "'I'm not an anti-nuke' antinuke" library somewhere, shouldn't it?
France is also doing badly, for France, 102 g CO2/kwh; Germany's only 500% worse. It appears the wind junk they built is doing better than Germany at 21.16% capacity utilization, but because it isn't providing very much electricity, they're burning gas.
I think it's still "true" in Germany, if nowhere where numbers matter, that nuclear energy is "too dangerous" and climate change isn't "too dangerous."
Finishline42
(1,161 posts)65% of their electricity is coming from Wind. But is no France which is at 86g. But is loads better than the 400-500g when you reported.
NNadir
(37,959 posts)They're only 178% worse than France in "percent talk."
Great. They're still burning coal and dumping the waste in the planetary atmosphere because they shut perfectly operable nuclear plants.
It's time, I'd guess, for all the "I'm not an anti-nuke" anti-nukes to start cheering about how wind energy will save the world by assuming that every day in Germany will be like today.
The Germans are producing "only" 7.1 GW of power from coal, probably lignite because that's the fuel for which Germans tear the shit out of their country to get.
It's time to call up the Lancet figures for deaths caused by various forms of reliable energy.
Anil Markandya, Paul Wilkinson, Electricity generation and health, The Lancet, Volume 370, Issue 9591, 2007, Pages 979-990.
Here's table 2: 
At 32.6 deaths per GWh for lignite, the German nuclear phase out would "only" be killing 5.6 people per day if the wind kept blowing like today, which annualizes out to "only" around 2000 deaths per year; for hard coal, at 24.5 deaths per GWh, "only" around 1500 deaths per year annualized. Of course, as noted elsewhere during the recent weeks of Dunkelflaute, the death rate was much higher, but let's all think happy thoughts and happily dream of happy slaves digging cobalt for batteries to make all those Germans "green."
To produce 7.1 GW of "too dangerous" nuclear power, the death rate according to the Lancet figures, our German friends would have led to the deaths on average of 0.089 Europeans per day, annualized out to an average of 3.2 deaths per year.
But, you know those happy Germans, they've declared with a certainty worthy of a Donald Trump that nuclear energy, as opposed to lignite, is "too dangerous."
Climate change isn't "too dangerous" in Germany it appears.
For the last twenty years here I've been hearing how wonderful so called "renewable energy" is, especially from people who want to tell me all about Three Mile Island and insurance policies, Three Mile Island being the reactor that then President Jimmy Carter visited during the accident there 42 years ago, 25 years after he went directly into a melted core at the NRX reactor in Ontario. (It will kill him someday, I'm sure.) People love to talk about Three Mile Island. And Chernobyl. And Fukushima. They don't give a fuck about how many people die every damned day from air pollution not limited to climate change while we all wait in Godotian expectation for the grand "renewable energy" nirvana that didn't come, isn't here, and won't come.
So called "renewable energy" was never about climate change though, was it? We spent over 3.2 trillion dollars on this temporary future electronic waste between 2004 and 2019 to obtain the following result for carbon dioxide concentrations in the planetary atmosphere:
Weekly value from 1 year ago: 416.89 ppm
Weekly value from 10 years ago: 393.28 ppm
Last updated: February 7, 2022
Mauna Loa Carbon Dioxide Observatory Weekly Data (Accessed 2/7/22)
That 10 year increase, 25.91 ppm higher than ten years ago is the third highest recorded out of 1,147 data points going back 21 years. The 52 week running average of these figures for 10 year increases has now reached 24.65 ppm/10 years, 2.46 ppm/year. For the week beginning January 1, 2000, the same figure was 15.26 ppm/10 years, 1.53 ppm/year.
You got to love that "not too dangerous" so called "renewable energy," in the days of the celebration of the lie.
Thanks for checking in to let me know the spectacular results of Germany reducing the number of people it kills each day by burning coal to "only" 40% (in percent talk) of the number of people it was killing each day of Dunkelflaute over the last two weeks.
I'm sure everyone is very impressed. I know I am. How I'm impressed is for other people to guess. I know how I take it.
Congratulations all around.
hunter
(40,668 posts)Putin and French President Emmanuel Macron met for hours in Moscow at the same time Biden and German Chancellor Olaf Scholz spoke at the White House in efforts to defuse the crisis before armed conflict breaks out. Russia has massed thousands of troops at the Ukraine border, adding military might almost daily.
The White House has expressed increasing alarm about the prospects of a war, and Biden has been looking to solidify support among European allies for economy-jarring sanctions against Russia if it moves further with an invasion.
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https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-joe-biden-vladimir-putin-europe-moscow-46f8be10fa71af16bae8f3a9bd82918d
https://www.democraticunderground.com/10142865653
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nord_Stream
Hybrid natural gas / wind / solar energy schemes are a bad idea. They will prolong our dependence on fossil fuels and increase political instabilities.