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NNadir

(33,517 posts)
Thu Jun 30, 2022, 05:16 AM Jun 2022

The Role of Copper Oxides in the Electrochemical Reduction of CO2 to C2 Carbon Fuels.

As I often point out, electricity is a thermodynamically degraded form of energy, and storing it as chemical energy degrades it even further. The caveat to this statement is that where electricity generation is a side product of another process involving high temperatures, such as the thermochemical production of hydrogen, or, as I recently discussed in this space, zero discharge supercritical water desalination. Under these circumstances, electricity, which may represent waste electricity if demand is low, can be utilized to increase the exergy of a system even if there is a thermodynamic loss associated with the conversion of electricity to chemical energy.

Here is the zero discharge desalination scheme I discussed fairly recently, in some detail, a situation in which electricity might be a side product of another process: The Energy Required to Supply California's Water with Zero Discharge Supercritical Desalination.

A great deal has been written about the electrochemical reduction of carbon dioxide to give various hydrocarbons, alcohols, aldehydes and organic acids - the latter most often formic acid. Recently I came across a nice review of the topic: Modeling Operando Electrochemical CO2 Reduction Federico Dattila, Ranga Rohit Seemakurthi, Yecheng Zhou, and Núria López Chemical Reviews 2022 122 (12), 11085-11130

Here is an intriguing graphic from the paper:



The caption:

Figure 3. (a) Faradaic efficiencies of ethylene and ethanol for eCO2R in 0.1 M KHCO3 on Cu at different cathodic bias and applied temperatures. Anodic pulse, +0.6 V vs RHE; timesteps for anodic and cathodic pulses, 1 s.127 (b) Product distribution on Cu, thin Cu2O, and thick Cu2O for CO2 reduction in a 0.1 M K2CO3 electrolyte at ?1.0 V vs RHE after 1 h, 16 h of continuous operation, and regeneration of the oxide layer by exposing the catalyst to air for 2 weeks after operation.129 (a) Adapted with permission from ref 127. Copyright 2021 American Chemical Society. (b) Adapted with permission from ref 129. Copyright 2021 National Academy of Sciences.


Reference 129 is this one: Guiji Liu , Michelle Lee, Soonho Kwon, Guosong Zeng, Johanna Eichhorn, Aya K. Buckley, F. Dean Toste , William A. Goddard III , and Francesca M. Toma CO2 reduction on pure Cu produces only H2 after subsurface O is depleted: Theory and experiment, PNAS 118 (23) (2021) e2012649118

Here's a graphic from this paper:



The caption:

Fig. 2. Stable phases and catalytic activities of polycrystalline Cu and thick Cu2O under CO2RR. Ex situ GIXRD analysis of polycrystalline Cu (A) and thick Cu2O (B) after 0 (as-prepared), 2, 10, 30, and 60 min CO2RR at ?1 VRHE in 0.1 M CO2-saturated K2CO3 electrolyte (pH 7). High-resolution transmission electron microscopy images of thick Cu2O under CO2RR for 2 min (C) with corresponding fast Fourier transform (Inset) and 1 h (D) with corresponding fast Fourier transform (Inset); fragmented Cu-based nanoparticles with lower crystallinity were observed over 1 h CO2RR. (E) FEs of CO2RR toward H2 (gray), CO (gold), methane (black), ethylene (pink), ethanol (blue), formic acid (orange), and others: acetate, ethylene glycol, and 1-propanol (yellow) for Cu and thick Cu2O at ?1 VRHE. (F) Partial current densities toward H2, CO, methane, formic acid, ethylene, ethanol, and others: allyl alcohol; n-propanol, normalized by electrochemically active surface area over Cu (purple); and thick Cu2O (orange) for 1 h CO2RR at ?1 VRHE in CO2-saturated 0.1 M K2CO3 electrolyte (pH 7). Average values in E and F are based on triplicates, and the errors correspond to the SEM of data points from individual samples in SI Appendix, Table S3.


It appears that copper (I) oxide is essential for producing hydrocarbons electrochemically and improves the yield over the production of hydrogen. Once the oxide is reduced, the product is more or less just hydrogen. The electrodes can be regenerated by simply exposing them to air, albeit for extended periods.

Regrettably I don't have much time to go into the details.

Hydrogen of course, can be converted to useful fuels via Fischer Tropsch chemistry (for petroleum like fuels) or fuels superior to petroleum, the best of which is dimethyl ether, a highly flexible and easily transportable fuel. It is not, however, despite decades of stupid rhetoric that still goes on and on and on and on, a useful consumer fuel: The infrastructure for so utilizing it would be expensive, unsustainable, and frankly dangerous. Hydrogen use should be limited to its already important realm as a useful captive intermediate in the chemical industry.

Direct reduction of carbonates to carbon fuels with water as the hydrogen donor is probably a good idea, again, only under the thermodynamic constraint that the electricity so utilized is a side product of other processes, represented "captured" exergy, available to be dispatched to grids on an "as needed basis."

Note that Faradaic efficiency is not the same as thermodynamic efficiency. Faradaic efficiency can be thought of as the fraction of electrons that end up in the product or in this case the products. The overall thermodynamic efficiency can be thought of as the product of the Faradaic efficiency and the Voltage efficiency, the latter representing the overvoltage required to drive the reaction. Essentially this is the extra energy to over come electrical resistance in the systems and represents energy lost as heat.

It will be interesting to see how nanostructured materials may be applied to further move these kinds of systems to ethylene to sequester carbon as polymeric material and to eliminate the use of dangerous fossil fuels.

Have a nice day tomorrow.
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hunter

(38,311 posts)
1. I look forward to a future when atmospheric and oceanic carbon dioxide...
Fri Jul 1, 2022, 12:52 PM
Jul 2022

... are turned into plastic pipe.

Every human, all eight billion of us, deserves clean water and indoor plumbing. This can be accomplished using polyethylene pipe.

Wealthy people currently use a lot of copper inappropriately for things like electric cars, wind turbines, indoor plumbing, etc.. The negative environmental impacts of mining and refining this copper are great.

Ultimately the most important use for copper will be as a catalyst.

eppur_se_muova

(36,262 posts)
2. Ref. 129 from the Goddard group ?? I remember when he used to be a pure theoretician.
Sat Jul 2, 2022, 02:21 AM
Jul 2022

Quite a career change.

NNadir

(33,517 posts)
3. I confess that Goddard is a scientist with whose work I am unfamiliar. His Orcid profile does...
Sat Jul 2, 2022, 01:42 PM
Jul 2022

...show his authorship of a number of papers that clearly involve experiment, but generally the authorship is broad. Perhaps his role is strictly to provide a theoretical basis for experimental results.

It may not have been a career change so much as a willingness to collaborate with experimentalists, which is a good thing.

But again, I'm largely unfamiliar with his work.

It is rare that a great scientist's career shows expertise on both sides. The most famous exception of course, was Enrico Fermi.

I believe an outstanding theoretician must engage experiments, and all of the greatest theories began with an experimental observation.

By contrast, an experimentalist who is surprised by his or her own results will need to call on a theoretician in most cases to justify that the experimental results. Sometimes of course, theory is thrown away because of experiment. The case that comes to mind is the Michaelson-Morley experiment to "measure" the speed of the "ether." It took some time, and in fact, Albert Einstein to come up with a way of explaining that one. Einstein, I've heard, was a horrible experimentalist.

eppur_se_muova

(36,262 posts)
4. I saw him give a lecture once, when he was still all theory. He wore a beret the whole time.
Sat Jul 2, 2022, 03:35 PM
Jul 2022

Every picture of him found in a quick Google search shows him still wearing the beret, so that appears to be a constant.

Apparently his formal title changed -- he is no longer a Prof. of Theo. Chem., but of Chem. and Applied Phys. So that seems a little out of the usual.

I suppose you've heard of the Pauli Effect. I was most surprised to read that some people, including Pauli, took it seriously.

The Pauli effect or Pauli's device corollary is the supposed tendency of technical equipment to encounter critical failure in the presence of certain people. The term was coined after mysterious anecdotal stories involving Austrian theoretical physicist Wolfgang Pauli, describing numerous instances in which demonstrations involving equipment suffered technical problems only when he was present.
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Background
Since the 20th century, the work in some subfields of physics research has been divided between theorists and experimentalists. Those theorists who lack an aptitude or interest in experimental work have on occasion earned a reputation for accidentally breaking experimental equipment. Pauli was exceptional in this regard: it was postulated that he was such a good theorist that any experiments would be compromised by virtue of his presence in the vicinity. For fear of the Pauli effect, experimental physicist Otto Stern banned Pauli from his laboratory located in Hamburg despite their friendship. ...
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An incident occurred in the physics laboratory at the University of Göttingen. An expensive measuring device, for no apparent reason, suddenly stopped working, although Pauli was in fact absent. James Franck, the director of the institute, reported the incident to his colleague Pauli in Zürich with the humorous remark that at least this time Pauli was innocent. However, it turned out that Pauli had been on a railway journey to Zürich and had switched trains in the Göttingen rail station at about the time of the failure. The incident is reported in George Gamow's book Thirty Years That Shook Physics,[7] where it is also claimed the more talented the theoretical physicist, the stronger the effect.

R. Peierls describes a case when at one reception this effect was to be parodied by deliberately crashing a chandelier upon Pauli's entrance. The chandelier was suspended on a rope to be released, but it stuck instead, thus becoming a real example of the Pauli effect.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pauli_effect
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