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kristopher

(29,798 posts)
Mon Dec 19, 2011, 11:26 PM Dec 2011

(Independent) Fukushima probe to avoid assessing quake damage

Fukushima probe to avoid assessing quake damage
Kyodo

A government panel investigating the triple-meltdown crisis at the Fukushima No. 1 power plant will not provide in its interim report any in-depth analysis on how badly the March 11 earthquake damaged key facilities before the tsunami arrived, sources said Monday.

The decision leaves open the possibility that facilities key to securing the plant's safety were seriously damaged by the 9-magnitude temblor.

Tokyo Electric Power Co. has asserted that the direct cause of the disaster was the larger-than-expected tsunami.

...The report could further delay the resumption of atomic power use across the country because local governments are waiting for the probe to conclude before taking a stance on whether to allow reactor restarts. Several were recently idled for regular inspections.

If doubts about current quake-resistance standards increase...

http://www.japantimes.co.jp/text/nn20111220a6.html



Even though the intensity of the quake at the location of the plant was only marginally above design specs, the panel has made clear they think the evidence available, though not conclusive, points to the earthquake as the causal event in the meltdowns. This is an interesting development.

Earlier story here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10161811
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(Independent) Fukushima probe to avoid assessing quake damage (Original Post) kristopher Dec 2011 OP
Additional background information on earthquake damage at plant kristopher Dec 2011 #1
Another independent investigative panel (with subpoena power this time) formed to look at Fukushima kristopher Jan 2012 #2
Can't wait for the results! n/t SpoonFed Jan 2012 #3
Astounding Yo_Mama Jan 2012 #4
I think the final report will address the matter kristopher Feb 2012 #5
Well, maybe they are waiting for more data Yo_Mama Feb 2012 #7
Japanese culture supports "saving face" Kolesar Feb 2012 #6
I don't think that is it... kristopher Feb 2012 #8
yes, I recall that from posts in DU2 eom Kolesar Feb 2012 #9

kristopher

(29,798 posts)
1. Additional background information on earthquake damage at plant
Tue Dec 20, 2011, 10:25 AM
Dec 2011

In the early days of the disaster a special panel to investigate the meltdowns was convened by Prime Minister Kan. This panel was composed of people from outside the nuclear industry with authority to conduct an investigation as they saw fit. They don't believe TEPCO whey TEPCO rules out the earthquake as the cause of the problems.


Panel doubts TEPCO claim tsunami caused nuke accident
December 06, 2011
By AKIRA SATO / Asahi Shimbun Weekly AERA

Not a few members of the government panel looking into the accident at the Fukushima No. 1 nuclear power plant are skeptical about Tokyo Electric Power Co. pointing the finger of blame at an unprecedented tsunami.

"The claim that tsunami alone caused the accident is nothing but a hypothesis," said panel member Hitoshi Yoshioka, vice president at Kyushu University, who has written a book about the social history of nuclear energy.

"I feel a majority of panel members feel this way. It is close to a common understanding that it would not be good to trust as is TEPCO's analysis that tsunami was the cause of the accident."

The conclusion reached by the panel could have ground-shaking ramifications for other nuclear power plants in Japan....
http://ajw.asahi.com/article/0311disaster/fukushima/AJ201112060052



Why is it important to both TEPCO and the strong pronuclear faction within the government and bureaucracy? Because this could have a profound effect on the ability of the country to resume use of their reactor fleet. They have 58 reactors and all but 8 are now idle (40) or closed permanently (10). The latest shutdown was caused by coolant leaking from a valve inside the containment vessel.
http://ajw.asahi.com/article/0311disaster/fukushima/AJ201112070075

TEPCO and the rest of the (global) nuclear industry have a strong selfish motive to promote the assumption that it was the tsunami. The earthquake that the plant experienced was far weaker than the 9.0 forces at its epicenter; in fact it was only a bit more than the reactors' design parameters.

If one of them failed as a result of quake forces it means that every reactor in Japan, and anywhere else that is in an earthquake zone must be viewed with a very critical eye. And since earthquakes are a lot more common than tsunami it means that the costs of upgrading safety and/or forced shutdowns stands to be enormous.

The table released by TEPCO comparing the earthquake's actual directional forces at the Fukushima #1 site to the reactor's design specs:



Glossary
· Observed Record of Earthquake Intensity
Record that indicates the intensity of an earthquake (Unit: gal)

· Regulatory Guide for Reviewing Seismic Design of Nuclear Power Reactor Facilities
Revised in September 2006 based on the newly accumulated knowledge on seismology and earthquake engineering and advanced technologies of seismic design, this is a regulatory guide in reviewing the validity of the seismic design of nuclear power reactor facilities.

· Basic Earthquake Ground Motion Ss
A basic earthquake ground motion in seismic design of facility, stipulated in Regulatory Guide for Reviewing Seismic Design of Nuclear Power Reactor Facilities

· Maximum Response Acceleration against Basic Earthquake Ground Motion Ss
Assuming Basic Earthquake Ground Motion Ss in the evaluation of the earthquake-proof safety, this is the Maximum value of the quake of a building, which is expressed in acceleration.

"Revised in September 2006 based on the newly accumulated knowledge on seismology and earthquake engineering and advanced technologies of seismic design, this is a regulatory guide in reviewing the validity of the seismic design of nuclear power reactor facilities."

http://www.tepco.co.jp/en/press/corp-com/release/11040103-e.html

Here is a first person narrative of what people on the scene observed, published in July.
...The authors have spoken to several workers at the plant who recite the same story: Serious damage to piping and at least one of the reactors before the tsunami hit. All have requested anonymity because they are still working at the plant or are connected with TEPCO. One worker, a maintenance engineer in his late twenties who was at the Fukushima complex on March 11, recalls hissing and leaking pipes. “I personally saw pipes that came apart and I assume that there were many more that had been broken throughout the plant. There’s no doubt that the earthquake did a lot of damage inside the plant," he said. "There were definitely leaking pipes, but we don’t know which pipes – that has to be investigated. I also saw that part of the wall of the turbine building for Unit 1 had come away. That crack might have affected the reactor.”

The reactor walls of the reactor are quite fragile, he notes. “If the walls are too rigid, they can crack under the slightest pressure from inside so they have to be breakable because if the pressure is kept inside and there is a buildup of pressure, it can damage the equipment inside the walls so it needs to be allowed to escape. It’s designed to give during a crisis, if not it could be worse – that might be shocking to others, but to us it’s common sense.”

A second worker, a technician in his late 30s, who was also on site at the time of the earthquake, narrated what happened. “It felt like the earthquake hit in two waves, the first impact was so intense you could see the building shaking, the pipes buckling, and within minutes, I saw pipes bursting. Some fell off the wall. Others snapped. I was pretty sure that some of the oxygen tanks stored on site had exploded but I didn’t see for myself. Someone yelled that we all needed to evacuate and I was good with that. But I was severely alarmed because as I was leaving I was told and I could see that several pipes had cracked open, including what I believe were cold water supply pipes. That would mean that coolant couldn’t get to the reactor core. If you can’t sufficiently get the coolant to the core, it melts down. You don’t have to have to be a nuclear scientist to figure that out.”

As he was heading to his car, he could see the walls of the reactor one building itself had already started to collapse. “There were holes in them. In the first few minutes, no one was thinking about a tsunami. We were thinking about survival.”

Meltdown: What Really Happened at Fukushima?
http://www.theatlanticwire.com/global/2011/07/meltdown-what-really-happened-fukushima/39541/

kristopher

(29,798 posts)
2. Another independent investigative panel (with subpoena power this time) formed to look at Fukushima
Mon Jan 16, 2012, 06:28 PM
Jan 2012

Crossposted from Good Reads:

Panel Challenges Japan’s Account of Nuclear Disaster
By HIROKO TABUCHI
Published: January 15, 2012

TOKYO — A powerful and independent panel of specialists appointed by Japan’s Parliament is challenging the government’s account of the accident at a Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant, and will start its own investigation into the disaster — including an inquiry into how much the March earthquake may have damaged the plant’s reactors even before the tsunami.

Kiyoshi Kurokawa, who leads the inquiry, vowed that it would have no sacred cows.
The bipartisan panel with powers of subpoena is part of Japan’s efforts to investigate the nuclear calamity, which has displaced more than 100,000 people, rendered wide swaths of land unusable for decades and spurred public criticism that the government has been more interested in protecting vested industry interests than in discovering how three reactors were allowed to melt down and release huge amounts of radiation.

Several investigations...

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/16/business/global/independent-panel-to-start-inquiry-into-japans-nuclear-crisis.html?_r=1

Yo_Mama

(8,303 posts)
4. Astounding
Sun Jan 29, 2012, 11:42 AM
Jan 2012

What's the purpose of the independent commission if not to evaluate the situation entirely?

Is this a political decision? Admittedly the ability to study the structures is limited due to high radiation levels, but perhaps sonic studies could provide some clues?

kristopher

(29,798 posts)
5. I think the final report will address the matter
Sun Feb 5, 2012, 02:18 AM
Feb 2012

From the OP:
"A government panel investigating the triple-meltdown crisis at the Fukushima No. 1 power plant will not provide in its interim report any in-depth analysis on how badly the March 11 earthquake damaged key facilities before the tsunami arrived, sources said Monday."

Yo_Mama

(8,303 posts)
7. Well, maybe they are waiting for more data
Sun Feb 5, 2012, 11:52 AM
Feb 2012

Assessment of the integrity of the physical structure is really important for long term safety planning.

Kolesar

(31,182 posts)
6. Japanese culture supports "saving face"
Sun Feb 5, 2012, 09:37 AM
Feb 2012

Perhaps the government panel understands the shame of the designers and of TEPCO and does not want to push them so hard. Hence, we see the "group" closing around the incompetent nukes to share the bad experience collectively.

kristopher

(29,798 posts)
8. I don't think that is it...
Mon Feb 6, 2012, 05:27 PM
Feb 2012

While the cultural trait you relate is there, I don't think it is the basis of the decision to defer comment on the effect of earthquakes. The panel members have made clear in interviews that they suspect the earthquake compromised the reactor's integrity. They were concerned that company and regulator investigations had not looked closely enough at the possibility of earthquake damage and had instead proceeded from a default, self-serving and unproven assumption that the tsunami alone caused the damage.

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