The Hydrogen Stream: World's largest electrolyzer to be deployed in Norway

[Caribbeans]

An electrolyzer the size of a bus- made in China

The Hydrogen Stream: World’s largest electrolyzer to be deployed in Norway

PV Magazine | SEPTEMBER 13, 2022

HydrogenPro has announced that the world's largest electrolyzer has arrived at its test facility in Herøya, Norway. The electrolyzer will be assembled and installed in the coming weeks, with the validation process to be initiated when possible. The electrolyzer shipment left Tianjin, China, in July. The electrolyzer will have an output of 1,100 Nm3/hour of hydrogen at normal current density. “This equals 100 kg of pure hydrogen per hour, which will set a new standard for the industry,” said HydrogenPro. The electrolyzer has a diameter of 2 meters.

Siemens and German utility SWW Wunsiedel have revealed plans to commission an 8.75 MW PEM electrolyzer in Wunsiedel, Bavaria. The companies are working on the project in coordination with their credit financing partner, Umweltbank. “The hydrogen produced primarily from solar and wind power using PEM electrolysis,” wrote Siemens. It will be Germany's second biggest electrolyzer.

The Port of Antwerp-Bruges and Germany's Duisport have signed a long-term cooperation agreement on energy transition, rail and hinterland connections, as well as port infrastructure. The two port operators said that the development of solutions to import, store, and distribute green hydrogen in various forms is one of the main strategic pillars of their cooperation. “The goal is to build an international supply chain for hydrogen in which both partners become central hydrogen hubs for Europe,” wrote the of Antwerp-Bruges. Duisport and Antwerp-Bruges want to establish a high-frequency rail shuttle, in addition to planned pipeline connections, to establish rail as a “rolling pipeline.”

HDF Energy has confirmed to pv magazine that it plans to commission a hydrogen power plant in Namibia by 2024. “Our project delivers electricity and grid services. No fuel. Hydrogen is used as storage in our Renewstable power plants,” said Nicolas Lecomte, director of Southern Africa for the French company. Renewstable is a non-intermittent renewable electricity power plant whose deployment will start in Namibia, and eventually in other African countries, such as Morocco, South Africa, and Zimbabwe...MORE
https://www.pv-magazine.com/2022/09/13/the-hydrogen-stream-worlds-largest-electrolyzer-to-be-deployed-in-norway/


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PV-powered hydrogen generation tech for off-grid areas

PV Magazine Spain | SEPTEMBER 13, 2022

Desigenia, a Spanish energy efficiency specialist, has developed Ecocube, a hybrid power system for telecoms sites that is based on solar panels, high-cycle batteries, and hydrogen fuel cells.

“Its novelty compared to the rest of the hybrid systems that Desigenia installs in telecommunications sites is the storage of energy based on hydrogen,” the company said. “Normally, the space limitations of isolated telecommunications centers condition the installation of photovoltaic systems, and prevent having a totally renewable solution based on solar panels and batteries, which makes it necessary to install a diesel generator set.”

The system uses photovoltaic energy for direct consumption and uses surplus power to produce hydrogen via an electrolyzer. The generated hydrogen is then compressed, stored in bottles and used for electricity production via the fuel cell.

“By replacing the diesel generator with a fuel cell as a source of energy, we avoid more than 3,600 liters of fuel consumption per year,” said the company...more
https://www.pv-magazine.com/2022/09/13/pv-powered-hydrogen-generation-tech-for-off-grid-areas/

The Hydrogen Energy Revolution continues...stay tuned. This is one of the biggest energy disruptions in history- and when it's over so is the despicable Nixon-Kissinger Petrodollar

[honest.abe]

1. Slowly but surely hydrogen is becoming a major energy player.

Despite the naysayers.

[NNadir]

2. If one had any insight to energy, one would know how trivial this is. Norway has been making...

...hydrogen since the 1930's. It's why they held the world supply of heavy water in the late 1930's and 1940's, and why Norwegian commando's sank a ferry carrying it for shipment to Germany.

But this is 2022. The world's rivers are collapsing, famines are becoming more likely and people are dying in the streets from extreme heat.

Like the rest of Europe, Norway is restricting electricity exports, because even though it is one of the world's oldest "renewable energy" successes, because it trashed its rivers, even its rivers are relatively dry.

Norway Moves to Limit Power Exports in Blow to Europe

Nordic nation suffers from low hydro reserves after dry spring
Energy minister met with parliamentary leaders Monday

Because all of the reactionary "renewable energy" fantasies failed to address climate change, and left the climate collapsing, Norway's rivers are flowing at a low rate.

Maybe they'll install solar cells to run for the two hours the sun is up in Oslo at the Winter Solstice. If they do, oblivious people will continue to cheer, jump up and down in paroxysms of sybaritic yuppie ignorance, and even celebrate wasting energy to make hydrogen because they're incapable of understanding even the simplest statements of the 2nd law of thermodynamics which is that "converting energy from one form to the other, loses energy."

The world is now consuming about 600 Exajoules of energy per year. After half a century of cheering for hydrogen energy, about 1% to 3% of the world's energy is consumed to make hydrogen, almost all of which goes to make ammonia and methanol, industrial products that have nothing to do with hydrogen car fantasies.

I note that even NASA, with all of its technology, all of the money invested, can't control hydrogen leaks. We don't need a Challenger disaster per day on freeways. As a "fuel" it's even worse than dangerous natural gas, from which hydrogen is almost exclusive made at an energy loss. Trivial electrolyzers in Norway won't make any difference any more than running them the last 80 years in that country did.

[Brenda]

3. Just

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I'm tired of coming to this group to find you attacking clean energy posts and shoving nuclear energy down our throats.

[honest.abe]

5. He/She/It is hung up on the 2nd law of thermodynamics..

Which isnt really an issue here as the hydrogen is being made from surplus solar power. Skeptics also seem to not understand that one of the key benefits of hydrogen use is energy storage so no need for massive battery packs or diesel generators as in the situation above.

BTW, although I understand your frustration I suspect your post might get deleted.

[Brenda]

7. thanks for the explanation

Why is it that MY post is expected to get deleted yet a serial attack poster is allowed to continue forever?

[honest.abe]

8. Well..

I think its the "shut the f up" that might be seen as a bit too much.

But who knows!

[NNadir]

10. Actually the universe is "hung up" on the 2nd law of thermodynamics. If there' so much "surplus..."

solar power, how come the Germans have been burning coal all summer. How come they're burning so much gas in California?

The laws of thermodynamics matter, and humanity ignores it at its peril. Ignoring them literally kills people.

Hydrogen is a very dirty fuel, because making it wastes energy, because the overwhelming bulk of it is made - as it been for a century from fossil fuels, with coal representing a growing fraction of the fuel to make it. The energy on this planet is increasingly, not decreasingly, made by burning dangerous fossil fuels, and dumping the waste directly into the planetary atmosphere where its accumulation is accelerating at the highest rate ever observed, 2.50 ppm/year.

At the outset of this century that rate was 1.5 ppm/year.

This is despite trillions squandered on the solar fantasy for no result, and half a century of "solar is green" bullshit. What solar energy generates more than energy is complacency and wishful thinking. In 25 years, every solar cell on this planet will be electronic waste that a future generation will need to clean up in a destroyed atmosphere, depleted minerals, growing poverty and wasted land.

One reason would be contempt for science, including, but hardly limited to, the second law of thermodynamics.

[honest.abe]

11. Your predictions are absurd. No solar in 25 years?!?

I have no doubt in 25 years there will be massive growth in both solar and hydrogen use. Unless some magical new cheap clean energy source pops up.

[Finishline42]

12. Interesting

My solar panels came with a 25 yr warranty that guarantees 80% of rated output when new. Solar panels lose less than 1/2% per year of their output.

They will still be producing electricity for 50 years, if not for me then for someone.

[honest.abe]

13. The Lifespan of Solar Panels.

The Lifespan of Solar Panels

Solar panels, also known as photovoltaic or PV panels, are made to last more than 25 years. In fact, many solar panels installed as early as the 1980s are still working at expected capacity. Not only are solar panels remarkably reliable, solar panel longevity has increased dramatically over the last 20 years. In addition to decades of effective performance, many solar manufacturers back their products with performance guarantees in their warranties.

Keep in mind that expected solar panel life expectancy doesn’t mean the panels on your roof will stop producing electricity after a couple of decades. It just means their energy production will decrease by what solar panel manufacturers consider optimal to meet the average American family’s energy needs.

https://www.sunrun.com/go-solar-center/solar-articles/how-long-do-solar-panels-really-last

[Finishline42]

14. Thanks for the link

Not only do they last longer than he thinks (much longer) but they do something his beloved nuclear doesn't do - they get cheaper and better.

[honest.abe]

15. Yes indeed.

[NNadir]

16. You have misinterpreted what I said.

What I have said is that every goddamm solar cell on this planet now in operation will be garbage in 25 years.

This is a consequence of the Staebler-Wronski effect among other causes, the main one being exposure to the elements.

Just as there's a lot of bullshit about this industry producing meaningful energy - it doesn't after 50 years of mindless hype - there's all kinds of bullshit handwaving about recycling solar cells. The problem is that most of the components are low value, and the cost of separating those components with toxicology issues is prohibitive. It's cheaper just to mine the metals and dump the cells.

The toxicology problem is likely to get much worse if the lead iodide perovskite scam is ever made to work.

I expect that unfortunately the useless solar industry will continue to grow, and even more solar waste will accumulate, I've seen estimates approaching one hundred million tons by 2050.

This is a well marketed scam. People believe in in spite of serious considerations of the dire realities. Of course there are people who believe that Donald Trump's scams make America great.

It is likely that many more resources will disappear down the rabbit hole of solar marketing, and indeed, the awful wasteful schemes of energy storage. Although this is changing many electrolysis devices in the chlorine industry, the main industrial supplier of electrolytic hydrogen where it is a side product, utilize Mercury anodes. While the releases from thos source are dwarfed by gold mining and the combustion of coal, which the solar industry has done nothing to address, it is still a serious matter.

The real problem with the solar to hydrogen fantasy which is half a century old and refuses to be killed by all the real data accumulated and the vast sums of money squandered is that electrolytic cells all exhibit operational hysteresis and thus, the atrocious thermodyamics notwithstanding, unreliable energy sources increase the already unacceptable environmental impact of solar powered systems.

The most economic, thermodyamic and environmentally sustainable processes are all continuous processes, not processes dependent on cloud cover, snow storms, dust storms and the rotation of the planet.

I'm devastated to report that over half a century of carrying on about this quasi religious dogma has left the planet burning, crops failing, rivers drying up, vast glaciers disappearing.

Refusing to recognize this much this late late in the game is not only denial, but it now borders on unconscionable.

[honest.abe]

17. LOL.. two things.

1) At the link I posted above solar panels are made to last more than 25 years.
2) Almost all electronic devices in use now will be obsolete in 25 years.

Keep digging.. you are almost out of sight.

[Caribbeans]

4. "We don't need a Challenger disaster per day on freeways"

This silly statement exposes your lack of knowledge on H2 (the most charitable way to put it)

Please educate yourself on this matter.

Toyota shoots a 700 Bar (10,000 psi) H2 tank with a .50 caliber bullet

Hyundai Hydrogen Nexo - Hydrogen Safety

I note that even NASA, with all of its technology, all of the money invested, can't control hydrogen leaks.

Hydrogen TODAY is a multi-billion dollar business and the industry has no problem "controlling leaks".

There are 600 miles of hydrogen pipeline built by ONE COMPANY (Air Products) just in the Gulf Coast region alone - to deliver hydrogen to refineries. 600 miles of H2 pipe - yet there are hordes of people that will tell you that H2 cannot be piped because of embrittlement. It's a laugh riot!

[Finishline42]

6. your complaint...

even celebrate wasting energy to make hydrogen because they're incapable of understanding even the simplest statements of the 2nd law of thermodynamics which is that "converting energy from one form to the other, loses energy."

But then why is OK to operate a nuclear power plant at 30% efficiency?

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