California first state to ban natural gas heaters and furnaces

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

A new proposal passed by the California Air Resources Board (CARB) cements the state as the first to ban natural gas heaters and furnaces.

The decision, which was passed unanimously, aims to phase out sales of the space heater and water heater appliances by 2030.

The commitment is part of a broader range of environmental efforts passed by the board this week to meet the federal 70 parts per billion, 8-hour ozone standard over the next 15 years.

“While this strategy will clean the air for all Californians, it will also lead to reduced emissions in the many low-income and disadvantaged communities that experience greater levels of persistent air pollution,” said CARB Chair Liane Randolph in a statement.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/california-first-state-to-ban-natural-gas-heaters-and-furnaces/ar-AA12aHBT

[JohnSJ]

1. I thought natural gas was a clean burning fuel?

[TreasonousBastard]

2. It's cleaner than coal, but not clean enough, I guess.

[jimfields33]

4. I think it's fine that they're making everything electric.

But I think they better start working on those grids quickly. I don’t think they realize how much electricity is going to be used by the population. The grids are not made for all this additional electrical use.

[JohnSJ]

5. Also, the fuel to produce that electricity is critical

[hunter]

7. Home gas appliances are much dirtier than modern gas power plants...

... even the "California" rated appliances.

More noxious (and less expensive) water heaters and furnaces still sold in other states haven't been sold here for many years.

Overall, a heat pump connected to the electric grid has lower emissions than a similar gas appliance, even the "low emission" California models.

The same is true of inductive electric ranges compared to gas ranges. "Cooking with gas" is terrible for indoor air quality.

We deal with pollution by natural gas mostly by ignoring it. Coal and fuel oil were always worse.

If we humans had any sense at all we'd ban all fossil fuels, including natural gas.

There's enough natural gas in the ground to destroy the world as we know it. It's best we leave it there.

[Calculating]

9. I'll keep my gas stove

And gas furnace. It gets cold here and I can't afford to heat the whole house with electric heat

[appleannie1]

3. When hubby remodeled he made the house all electric.

At least once a year the furnace/boiler would blow a mother board. Almost $500 later, we would have heat. Finally we had the furnace replaced with propane.
He put in a new electric, glass topped, stove. I now have to carry everything out to the grill in order to can the tomatoes, peppers and salsa every year because the glass won't support the weight of a canner. If I am making pudding or want to fry chicken in a cast iron skillet, I have to do so on the grill outside. Same goes for chili. I don't care if it is on it's lowest setting and I stand in front of the stove and stir while it is cooking, it always sticks on the bottom. I have been waiting for the burners to die so I can have a gas stove installed. I love how easy it is to keep this one clean but I am getting too old to be carrying heavy pots clear through the house to cook outside. I hate cooking on electric because all the heat is on the very bottom and it is hard to control.

[JohnSJ]

6. Propane is natural gas isn't it? It is produced through natural gas

[hunter]

8. Propane costs have skyrocketed according to those in my family who use it.

You ought to be able to find an induction stove that's a drop-in replacement for your old electric stove. (Waiting for appliances to die insures they will last forever! You should see our dishwasher or microwave oven... the height of 'nineties fashion.)

This is the first youtube video on inductive cooktops that came up for me:

Inductive stoves are better than gas or conventional electric stoves in many ways. They are certainly better for air quality.

I tend to use small electric appliances for my cooking, maybe because I don't like the awful mess of our gas stove. I'm not a "cooking with gas" person except for our outdoor barbecue.

My air fryer gets a lot of use, so does my electric griddle. We have a gas stove but I cook pancakes, etc., on the electric griddle.

We have a gas stove because my wife insisted on it, even though I do most of the cooking. My brother, who loves to cook and has done it professionally, has an ancient black iron and shiny nickle gas range in his kitchen that's got to weigh as much as a small car. My wife would have the same if it would fit in our kitchen, or even through our front door.

Once we quit fossil fuels, which we must do for our civilization to survive, there will still be people cooking with gas. It just wont be natural gas or propane. Dimethyl Ether (DME) is a likely replacement for propane. It can be synthesized from atmospheric or oceanic carbon dioxide using no-carbon energy resources.